Gibberings CXXIV: Office Cakes

[breakcorefiend]

Afternoon all, Sun definitely makes a change!
Sat in the garden with music and weed for the first time this year :D

 

[Ben So Furry]

Just heard a show where they fitted an infra-red detector on the head of a rat and wired it to the creatures brain to feel a 'sensation' when a beam of infra-red light is fired at the detector. The possibilities are mind-boggling 8(

Now talking about how the drugs in our urine when flushed just enter the water supply again and effect the environment and food chain, apparently fish are being feminised due to the contraception pill.

 

[Ceres]

Just heard a show where they fitted an infra-red detector on the head of a rat and wired it to the creatures brain to feel a 'sensation' when a beam of infra-red light is fired at the detector. The possibilities are mind-boggling 8(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optogenetics They can shine line straight into creatures brains now, bit gruesome.

animal experiments :/

 

[Ben So Furry]

It's going to end in full mind control for humans by humans isn't it?

 

[Shambles]

Can also wire up a brain and literally see what the wired one is seeing. Not saying owt about the ethics of it cos that's a whole can o' worms... but putting that aside the sheer technical impressiveness of achieving such a feat is pretty mind-boggling. And this was nearly fifteen years ago now. Only a matter of time before it'll be possible to record thoughts directly...

BBC article with pix of how a cat sees the world and a short clip from a documentary that shows it in action.

Neither linky shows the cat - just what it can see - but the full version of the documentary does show the cat all wired-up so some may not fancy tracking that down.

What's seriously spooky - and deeply intriguing - is when the cat looks up at one of the people in the room. Cats appear to see humans as having cat faces. Which actually makes sense from the lil bit of psychology I remember from college.

 

[Ben So Furry]

Yeah cat's see us as big cat's and dog's see themselves as little humans if I remember correctly. Not sure I could stomach seeing a cat all scientifically mutilated so I'll take your word for it Shambles. It's only a matter of time before Big Brother has full and complete mind control, thing is we'll adore Big Brother without knowing how or why.

 

[Shambles]

Human through a cat's eyes for those that don't fancy the linkies but wonder what a cat sees when it looks at people. NSFW'd for those who want nothing to do with such things. But it is just the reconstructed recorded images - nothing nasty to be seen. Normal video on top, recorded images on the bottom. The second frame is very clearly a human with a cat's face.

NSFW:

 

[Ben So Furry]

Yep agreed they do look like cats, that's weird? Was the resolution down to the technology at the time or do cat's have really fuzzy vision?

 

[Ben So Furry]

^ Brilliant! I now have an excuse for the missus when she finds out I ordered another gram.

 

[Shambles]

Yep agreed they do look like cats, that's weird? Was the resolution down to the technology at the time or do cat's have really fuzzy vision?

Resolution is low as it was the first time it had been done afaik. There's some technical details in the BBC article. Summat to do with only connecting a small number of actual cells up (177 specifically). More a proof of concept kinda thang I'd think. No idea how far along it's come since then but presumably leaps and bounds given that was 1999.

Incidentally, I should probably point out the research is into stuff like "curing" blindness and the like - not just some bloke with a grievance towards cats.

As for why cats see humans as cats - not so surprising really. Just really weird to see it for real. Just think how easily people see human faces in things that are clearly not human.

Only has to look roughly like a human face to see a human face. Same goes for cats it seems. But is kinda spooky to see the extent of it

 

[Albion]

That article is absolutely mindblowing...If we're able to decode brain signals and see what the host brain is seeing, how long before we will be able to decode brain signals during dreams into something visible on a monitor?

If we're already achieving this, it follows that it could be possible to observe trains of thought.

 

[Mugz]

Will mugz ever finish his charity thing? I log on and it seems like a mugz 'multicolored swap shop' !

I was actually gonna post about that today, any last donations that anyone wants to make and then I'm sending the fuckers the money at the weekend.

 

[Shambles]

That article is absolutely mindblowing...If we're able to decode brain signals and see what the host brain is seeing, how long before we will be able to decode brain signals during dreams into something visible on a monitor?

If we're already achieving this, it follows that it could be possible to observe trains of thought.

They're already onto it over in Japan, Albi. Using MRI rather than directly wiring up the brain too which would obviously be a bit more comfortable.

Japanese Dream Recording Machine

Very basic first steps but given it's recording from an MRI scan that in itself is pretty fukkin impressive

 

[brimz]

yo shamone i pmed you .

 

[Albion]

They're already onto it over in Japan, Albi. Using MRI rather than directly wiring up the brain too which would obviously be a bit more comfortable.

Japanese Dream Recording Machine

Very basic first steps but given it's recording from an MRI scan that in itself is pretty fukkin impressive

That is very very cool.

 

[maxalfie]

That article is absolutely mindblowing...If we're able to decode brain signals and see what the host brain is seeing, how long before we will be able to decode brain signals during dreams into something visible on a monitor?

If we're already achieving this, it follows that it could be possible to observe trains of thought.

That would be amazing if you could wire yourself up at bedtime and record your dreams and then watch back your dream in the morning.
How fantastic watching dreams on TV would be, would piss all over Hollywood for plotlines and special effects.

 

[brimz]

Yeah so when i went out earlier i met this Chinese Girl .

It is very unusual to see Chinese Folk on their own init ? Anyhow she was studying at teh Bath Uni n we had a very wide ranging conversation , I've never had a proper conversation with a chinese person till 2day n she was very cool .

I'm one of those people that just talk to anyone btw .

She sure did open my eyes to Chinese Culture though it was very interesting

 

[Albion]

That would be amazing if you could wire yourself up at bedtime and record your dreams and then watch back your dream in the morning.
How fantastic watching dreams on TV would be, would piss all over Hollywood for plotlines and special effects.

I've always dreamed (hah) of having a machine like that...Record the dreams onto good old VHS tapes.

I think the porn industry would ruin if that ever happened.


Brimz: That sounds like a pleasant turn of events...Conversations with strangers can be eye-opening. Rewarding when good ones happen.

 

[pinkpapaver]

That article is absolutely mindblowing...If we're able to decode brain signals and see what the host brain is seeing, how long before we will be able to decode brain signals during dreams into something visible on a monitor?

If we're already achieving this, it follows that it could be possible to observe trains of thought.

Resolution is low as it was the first time it had been done afaik. There's some technical details in the BBC article. Summat to do with only connecting a small number of actual cells up (177 specifically). More a proof of concept kinda thang I'd think. No idea how far along it's come since then but presumably leaps and bounds given that was 1999.

Incidentally, I should probably point out the research is into stuff like "curing" blindness and the like - not just some bloke with a grievance towards cats.

As for why cats see humans as cats - not so surprising really. Just really weird to see it for real. Just think how easily people see human faces in things that are clearly not human.

Only has to look roughly like a human face to see a human face. Same goes for cats it seems. But is kinda spooky to see the extent of it

you would have to say that alb, just as i am about to get stuck into the cave that is my house (wish I lived in a cave would be easier to keep clean)Ive never been so shit at housework in my life. always been a bit bad at it . I forgot how to do everything 2 years ago when I had a bit of a breakdown. Then the dog arrived and just made a mess. Funny that they see themselves as little people. They get it so wrong at times yet so right...or right in the way that people should be behaving. Yes shammy, there's a rock on the moon that had the people convinced that there had been people there. Now for the articel

 

[pinkpapaver]

Yeah so when i went out earlier i met this Chinese Girl .

It is very unusual to see Chinese Folk on their own init ? Anyhow she was studying at teh Bath Uni n we had a very wide ranging conversation , I've never had a proper conversation with a chinese person till 2day n she was very cool .

I'm one of those people that just talk to anyone btw .

She sure did open my eyes to Chinese Culture though it was very interesting

I love talking to people. I have no problem striking up conversaton/ passing comment with strangers. If someone talks to me I'm happy to talk back. If I don't like the way they talk to me or what they're saying I tell em so.
It's so simple. It's so freaky that humans can go around blanking their own species so easily...and then becoming horrified should one of their own wish to interact with them.