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Etizolam ran out fuck guys :(

Yeah I know there is a difference but what im saying is the vendor was claiming to sell 4mg and 8mg pellets of flubromazolam which is ridiculous. Lets hope they meant flubromazepam.
 
so i had 6 mg of supposed diclazepam, had 4 mg of etiz this morning (half my usual dose) this powder is shite gonna get it sent off and weidnos the vendor the cunts ! you know who you are ur probably reading this twats ! the diclaz is wierd for me, feel a bit uncoordinated today tbh
 
im having a few problems switching / alternating from etiz to diclaz. Its those almightily annoying unreliable vendor pills that are causing all the problems, with the not knowing if any or even all of the 4 pills i take at any one time are gonna be duds. :X:! I swear sometimes i feel nothing off four of them other times im ready to doze off within half an hour.

This really is no way to carry on as i near the approach to the end stage of my taper. It wouldnt be so bad if i didnt have a habit and was just using them weekly for stim comedowns or something. Also as Diclaz can take anything from 1 - 4 hours to kick in I guess I'd better start taking them a lot earlier in the evening than i used to take my etiz. I dunno, i might have to just get rid of all these shitty vendor etiz and diclaz pellets and get some more diclaz powder in. Maybe get Wedinos to take a look at it too, sounds like a very good idea. I need to know where i stand with these substances at this stage.

Stee i recommended diclaz for coming off etiz purely due to its' far longer peak time and half life, obviously that will make the time between doses much easier. Not all Drs are gonna welcome RC benzo addicts with open arms. I hold out no hope atall that mine will help me. Absolutely not a cat in hells chance. Apparently Etiz and diclaz dont even show up as benzos on the tests they run, and they arent gonna take some druggies word that he is taking the equivalent of 40mg of diazepam every day.

When i had to spend a few days in hospital a few months ago when my dose was far higher than it is currently the nurse offerered me 2mg of diazepam. She either didnt believe me, or didnt understand what etiz dose i was on, although i did expalin it to her. I can imagine the same thing happening wherever I go and whoever i see. Somehow a medical professional will not take a druggies word for anything. Anyone would think all druggies are unreliable, lying, cheating, half-wits or something the way they dont get understood or even listened to properly. :\ I ended up having to abscond from the hospital to smuggle my etiz in. 2mg of diaz when i was on 10mg of etiz FFS.:!:|8o From what i gather diaz is very low on hypnotic effects anyway, so it'd probably be a really bad switch from etiz or diclaz in terms of insomnia, even if by some miracle someone did manage to get a legit 40mg Diazepam script to start the end of their taper with.

edit: 1 hour 40 minutes later still not feeling the diclaz, might have to wait another 2.5 - 4hours before i know if they are duds or not, or I could end up double-dosing. This is no good at all. Definitely gonna have to order more diclaz powder whilst its still available. If theres one thing you can say about the powders is that they will be a consistent strength throughout. Provided they dissolve thoroughly into the PG, and arent kept in storage for too long as they can 'separate out'. I think maybe I'll do 250mg batches each time, this time.
 
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Im sorry your having such an anxoius time of it MDB - i can see your reservations about going to the docs but you are entitled to the care and treatment. Diclazepam produces 2 or 3 active metabolites that should show up on a benzo screen and if you want to guarantee dropping dirty get a small amont of flubro to have as well 48 hours before your appointment. Your gp may not be prepared to treat it, but you are entitled to a referral to your local dsp who can prescribe benzodiazepines for maintenance or taper purposes via the blue prescriptions used for meth patients, the blue scripts allow diazepam to be dispensed at regular intervals in decreasing doses rather than getting a load of tablets all in one go, and while daily pick ups may not be practical if you work shifts or whatnot, it at least allows you to get proper treatment and monitoring - reasonable conditions if you want the real deal when it comes to benzodiazepine detoxification. This route will give you access to psychological support and treatment as well, this may be something you dont need but ive cold turkey'd successfully from heroin at least 5 times in the last 10 years. Ive always relapsed eventually though which is why ive now surrenderd to the full range of support on offer.

As for the diclazepam ive only ever stuck to pellets from a reliable vendor and have no experience with powders or pg solutions. Saying that - i just want to re iterate about my subjective expeiences with the drug - ive never found it more than functional and the effects just arnt as obviously head smashing as 'recreational' benzos. The effect from them is very subtle and as ive stated many times people can end up being alot more fucked than they actually feel - this isnt helped by the erratic lengths of time that can pass while they take effect (as you pointed out) and can lead to pointless redosing as people reach for that fuzzy benz-owed feeling that really isnt that achieveable with diclazepam. If your determined to do this yourself, give your brain a little time to settle on the diclaz, and while good quality consistently dosed pellets can be obtained if you use all the internet resources available to you, the problems you are having are the unfortunate and inevitable side effects of attempting a DIY detox using under-reseachered benzodiazepines.
 
Josh said:
I ordered some phenazepam powder once, and despite mixing it with PG, I woke up two days later in this:



If you look carefully you can even see my face print in it. And the forensic team arrow markers. There was also blood in my bed, the bathroom medicine cabinet, and the fridge. I got away with 6 skull fractures, 3 hemorrhages, two weeks in hospital and about a month where I made no sense to talk to. Long term I now have a permanent loss of smell and taste. I somehow managed to keep my job, despite the police setting up an interview room in one of the meeting rooms at work and questioning the rest of the team (suspected assault til I was well enough to tell them I was a dickhead).

So yeah, measure your doses I guess!
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Fuck. What actually happened?
 
mdb why not just tell the doctors you are a diazepam addict instead of even mentioning rc benzos?ordering bags of benzo powder doesn't sound like a good way to stop taking benzos.
 
What the actual fuck. With that picture. And yet no mentions, or rather bans, being mentioned about these...

got to make you wonder...
 
Funkadelica said:
What the actual fuck. With that picture. And yet no mentions, or rather bans, being mentioned about these...

got to make you wonder...
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No ones going to make a fuss while theres no deaths being reported. Im sure there are deaths involving rc benzos but they're probably getting lost in the statistics, as most fatal overdoses involving pharm grade benzodiazepines implicate at least one other drug, usually alcohol or methadone, and alot of the metabolites detected in autopsys will be the standard molecules that pathologists are used to seeing in these cases anyway.

We need to wait for the old 'my son was fine at uni until he got hooked on that etizolam shit' to pop up on j kyle before the general squares even begin to sit up and take notice.
 
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Ceres said:
mdb why not just tell the doctors you are a diazepam addict instead of even mentioning rc benzos?ordering bags of benzo powder doesn't sound like a good way to stop taking benzos.
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And if you do go to the dotor your always better off telling the truth rather than give half a story and end up with ineffective or inappropriate treatment. If your not prescribed diazepam, dont mention it. Id rather play the thicko card - better to tell the doctor that i was caught out by a 'legal high' that i had no idea would be so addictive, than tell them ive been abusing an illegally supllied MOD Act contolled Class C Schedule 4 prescription only medicine that is widely known to cause dependance issues and addiction. Remember, no vendor sells etizolam with warnings regarding how habit forming they are.

"I know they said not for human consumption doctor but all legal highs have to say that coz there like legal or sumthing innit??!!" (follow sentence with puzzled but harmless look)
 
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steewith2ees said:
Im sorry your having such an anxoius time of it MDB - i can see your reservations about going to the docs but you are entitled to the care and treatment. Diclazepam produces 2 or 3 active metabolites that should show up on a benzo screen and if you want to guarantee dropping dirty get a small amont of flubro to have as well 48 hours before your appointment. Your gp may not be prepared to treat it, but you are entitled to a referral to your local dsp who can prescribe benzodiazepines for maintenance or taper purposes via the blue prescriptions used for meth patients, the blue scripts allow diazepam to be dispensed at regular intervals in decreasing doses rather than getting a load of tablets all in one go, and while daily pick ups may not be practical if you work shifts or whatnot, it at least allows you to get proper treatment and monitoring - reasonable conditions if you want the real deal when it comes to benzodiazepine detoxification. This route will give you access to psychological support and treatment as well, this may be something you dont need but ive cold turkey'd successfully from heroin at least 5 times in the last 10 years. Ive always relapsed eventually though which is why ive now surrenderd to the full range of support on offer.

As for the diclazepam ive only ever stuck to pellets from a reliable vendor and have no experience with powders or pg solutions. Saying that - i just want to re iterate about my subjective expeiences with the drug - ive never found it more than functional and the effects just arnt as obviously head smashing as 'recreational' benzos. The effect from them is very subtle and as ive stated many times people can end up being alot more fucked than they actually feel - this isnt helped by the erratic lengths of time that can pass while they take effect (as you pointed out) and can lead to pointless redosing as people reach for that fuzzy benz-owed feeling that really isnt that achieveable with diclazepam. If your determined to do this yourself, give your brain a little time to settle on the diclaz, and while good quality consistently dosed pellets can be obtained if you use all the internet resources available to you, the problems you are having are the unfortunate and inevitable side effects of attempting a DIY detox using under-reseachered benzodiazepines.
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I think that the purely functional thing about diclaz is a positive thing for me at this stage. It aids sleep and reduces anxiety. But not so much as things like etiz, flubro, and phenaz can where the last one in particular can reduce anxiety so much that you dont care about anything, and can increase the risks of doing mad/dangerous/criminal things as ones judgement can be so affected that you dont think about any consequences of your actions. Turning up to work after a large dose of etiz and having not slept cost me my last job.

It's so easy to become trapped by etiz because it can so incerdibly easily make you completely careless about things like dependency and long term effects. Im hoping that as i reduce my doses that my judgement will start to become less clouded, i think this is already starting to happen, warnings of bad outcomes due to long term benzo (ab)use and more long term thinking have started making their way through the benzo fog / security blanket.

Now that I'm working full time Im not gonna have time to be attending loads of appointments and messing about with dayly/weekly scripts, even if it would mean guarenteed quality and strength benzos. The lack of hypnotic effects of diazepam really puts me off it very heavily. As does the thought of someone else being in control of my taper, and having them decide when i reduce and by how much, possibly regardless of whether the timing is good for me or not.

Now ive got myself a big kratom habit again, im not sure whether to just maintain on 4mg of diclaz for a while, until i get off the kratom and other opi dabbling, or get it much reduced and under tighter control, as everyone seems to say that benzos are a huge help in quitting kratom and opis. Im not sure if it would work the other way round, using kratom and opis to help quit benzos? Ive never heard anyone recommend that, and its probably for very good reasons. I mean if youve already got a kratom habit anyway, it would be ridiculous to start taking kratom and opis to get off benzos.
 
Yeah, kratom with benzo withdrawal feels horrible! Last time i did that I got crazy tachycardia which lasted several days. Really thought id done myself long term damage as even a week later I had heart palps and the odd fluttery chest sensation. It must have been the stim qualityies in kratom combined with the super sensitive nervous system after stopping benzos. Although this reaction could be a side effect of serotonin syndrome a few months back idk.

Id say legit Pharm grade diaz would top diclaz any day and would be easier to taper off and from what i hear from other peoples experience your Dr cant completely control your taper as in making huge drops when you have a lot on your plate. The ashton manual makes it clear that a successful taper is based around the individuals lifestyle and taking things like work commitments into consideration when reducing the dose. Although it isnt that easy to get a script from your Dr, you would be the ideal patient in need of a Diaz script for a taper, good luck!
 
steewith2ees said:
And if you do go to the dotor your always better off telling the truth rather than give half a story and end up with ineffective or inappropriate treatment. If your not prescribed diazepam, dont mention it. Id rather play the thicko card - better to tell the doctor that i was caught out by a 'legal high' that i had no idea would be so addictive, than tell them ive been abusing an illegally supllied MOD Act contolled Class C Schedule 4 prescription only medicine that is widely known to cause dependance issues and addiction. Remember, no vendor sells etizolam with warnings regarding how habit forming they are.

"I know they said not for human consumption doctor but all legal highs have to say that coz there like legal or sumthing innit??!!" (follow sentence with puzzled but harmless look)
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Not disagreeing with the advice given just wanted to point out that some vendors do warn you of this. The vendor I use for both my Etizolam and MXE states that all products sold are meant for human consumption as long as they are taken in a controlled way following guidelines he provides. He also states that they are not meant to be used every day as the Etizolam is addictive and daily MXE use is completely unnecessary. There are legit vendors running legit businesses with good intentions you just have to find them. Most vendors hide behind the not for human consumption loop hole but it isn't necessary.
 
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i can imagine kratom feeling shit in benzo wd's simply because its more psychedelic then actual opiates, codeine feels aight i remember that. Nicotine actually makes you feel normal for 5 seconds
 
I moved to diclazepam from etizolam... Just generally, not daily. Not sure what relevance this has, as it's been answered already no doubt!

I would have moved from short half life 6 hours etiz to diclaz or another long half life legal benzo then taper properly.
 
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Cosmic Giraffe said:
Most vendors hide behind the not for human consumption loop hole but it isn't necessary.
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Just to point out that this is absolutely necessay to be a "legit" vendor in the UK/EU and - I suspect - worldwide. As in to be legally legit. What a vendor expresses to punters personally is their bizniz and many will give reasonably advice privately. It's just not legal to do so for utterly incomprehensible reasons.
 
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