Verybuffed
Bluelighter
Good post Jakeperson.
You should post it up in the MXE thread as well.
You should post it up in the MXE thread as well.
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Ethylphenidate Discussion Thread
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AFA
Bluelighter
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jesus poor melly must have shithouse crack these days, not sayin ep isnt good just wouldnt rank it as good as street coke, ep is a more complex high i feel
AyahuascaSeeker13
Bluelighter
As for Melbourne and coke, hahahaha yep it's a sad sad state at the moment, though I believe there is some AWESOME Lebanese imported coke floating around the Gold Coast at the moment, may need a holiday for a week or two!
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Verybuffed
Bluelighter
Guys we need to stop all the vendor talk as we have been asked or we could end up with this thread being closed.
AyahuascaSeeker13
Bluelighter
Agreed. We all know what the go is... So back on topic... Anyone game enough to I/V or I/M this?
Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
Well I've missed the party, my errands took a lot longer to complete then expected. ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Exactly. This thread is for discussion of the substance at hand. I don't know how many times I've said this in the past couple of days, but BL is not a vendor review site.
The legal implications of purchasing ethylphenidate is a valid point for discussion (leaving the vendor out of course). It would be considered an analogue of an S8 substance; to date it seems like state and federal governments are enforcing analogue laws though and when it comes down to it are just banning substances outright - see the synthetic cannabinoids for example. People could have been easily prosecuted under state and federal analogue laws for selling and buying those products. Instead, the legislators decided to directly make the chemicals in question illegal.
Still, this run may come to an end one day and the governments may start using their analogue laws more powerfully. QLD's changes to their analogue laws to stop sales of Kronic and the like seem to be a step in this direction. At the same time though, they have said their aim is just to make the sales 'harder'.
Didn't someone mention trying an oral dose in this thread already? Or am I thinking of a different site...
Verybuffed said:
Exactly. This thread is for discussion of the substance at hand. I don't know how many times I've said this in the past couple of days, but BL is not a vendor review site.
The legal implications of purchasing ethylphenidate is a valid point for discussion (leaving the vendor out of course). It would be considered an analogue of an S8 substance; to date it seems like state and federal governments are enforcing analogue laws though and when it comes down to it are just banning substances outright - see the synthetic cannabinoids for example. People could have been easily prosecuted under state and federal analogue laws for selling and buying those products. Instead, the legislators decided to directly make the chemicals in question illegal.
Still, this run may come to an end one day and the governments may start using their analogue laws more powerfully. QLD's changes to their analogue laws to stop sales of Kronic and the like seem to be a step in this direction. At the same time though, they have said their aim is just to make the sales 'harder'.
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Didn't someone mention trying an oral dose in this thread already? Or am I thinking of a different site...
Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
I'll add this now, as I don't plan on posting the trip report until later on tonight; I had my blood pressure checked at roughly 5:20pm, about 45 minutes after the previous dose. BP was 120/70, fairly normal for me and pulse was 90. Pulse may have been somewhat elevated as there were no elevators from the top of the center to where the pharmacy was.
Also, I don't think a comparison with cocaine is fair. Although cocaine, methylphenidate and ethylphenidate (the latter by assumption and extension) are all dopamine reuptake inhibitors, in my opinion methylphenidate is very different to cocaine to begin with and so you would expect an analogue of methylphenidate to be a lot more like Ritalin then coke. Not to say it's a bad drug, just that even though drugs can have similar mechanisms of action they can have very different effects on the end user. Perhaps because of exactly where the targets are in the brain.
Also, I don't think a comparison with cocaine is fair. Although cocaine, methylphenidate and ethylphenidate (the latter by assumption and extension) are all dopamine reuptake inhibitors, in my opinion methylphenidate is very different to cocaine to begin with and so you would expect an analogue of methylphenidate to be a lot more like Ritalin then coke. Not to say it's a bad drug, just that even though drugs can have similar mechanisms of action they can have very different effects on the end user. Perhaps because of exactly where the targets are in the brain.
lovepsychadelics
Bluelighter
This stuff is not even close to really good coke it has IMO somewhat different effects. Not saying it's rubbish just I'd prefer some good quality charlie chalk to this. It is different to Methylphenidate, a slightly more interesting and slightly more euphoric high. I think most prescribed MPH in this country contains both the d-methylphenidate isomer and l-methylphenidate isomer, which has been stated in this thread somewhere. With prescibed MPH some of the dopamine activity is going to be blocked by the nor-adrenaline reuptake inhibition caused by the l-MPH isomer. With this I guess it's the ethylenated d-methylphenidate isomer (probably already mentioned in this thread). I'm going from memory here and have had a bit of a rough day, tired as hell. Thought I'd research some of this anyway.
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Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
^ Yeah, Ritalin is always racemic here though it's the d-isomer that's active. Without a polarimeter I obviously can't say for sure, but from studies I've read this seems like the d-isomer as there is a big lean towards mental rather then physical effects. As noted above, this has had hardly any effect if at all on my BP, I don't feel any vasoconstriction or any concerning physical side effects and hand shakiness is not much worse then I usually have.
Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
lovepsychadelics
Bluelighter
Nice trip report there mate! I have to agree re: insufflating EP, this stuff hurts like hell probably one of the most painful substance i've ever insufflated. The worst being DMAA powder and second mescaline crystals. I'm not sure if I want to try alternative ROA due to the caustic/acidic nature of the drug. I'll leave it up to anyone game enough to plug or IM/IV EP although may attempt S/C. I'm finding the effects pleasurable but not overwhelming. I definately do not have as much drive/excitability as Mr. Blonde reported just a mild euphoria and mood lift from 100mg insufflated although I weigh almost twice as much. I feel a bit fendish for some reason and am thinking of having another 60mg despite the pain and nasal drip. D-EP isomer for sure as L-EP isomer has no psychoactive properties according to relevant scientific literature . I may add a small amount of xylocaine and see if that helps reduce the horrible burn. This is much better than MPH but no substitute for good quality levamisole free cocaine (good luck finding some of that in this country lol.) Does not seem to cardio toxic but Mr. Blonde has the right advice re: benzodiazapine coadministration or CWE better safe than sorry IMO.
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Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
^ Good advice, especially with a new and largely untested substance. Maybe even do an allergy test first, then do a small amount and see how you are effected. When you read posts on here about large doses, keep in mind that most of us wisely started off small and built our way up.
lovepsychadelics
Bluelighter
I started out with a few tiny grains of powder less than 2mg to ensure no allergic effects. After this I used 10mg, 20mg and so forth. I find the 100mg dose for my height and weight to be appropriate and provide the best effects for myself. Always take into account your age, weight, health issues and experience with substances (in this case stimulants) when dosing. This stuff is fendish I have had a second dose but held out until I felt drained and the psychoactive effects of 1st dose we no longer being experienced. I would advise against fiending on this as the higher your drug plasma levels become noticable cardiotoxic adverse effects may be experienced BTW drug plasma levels are not eliminated by the time the subjective CNS effects are no longer experienced. Most drugs take 24-48 hours to be eliminated, in the case of meth 72 hours I have found no academic research on the half life of this substance as yet.
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Jakeperson
Bluelighter
I will try plugging when I get my hands on some, maybe even IV. Any one tested solubility?
Methylphenidate is meant to be great IV and so far this looks all round far more recreational.
Methylphenidate is meant to be great IV and so far this looks all round far more recreational.
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Has anybody else experienced nausea from even just one small line? Is there any info/experience on the BA when had orally?
Comparing to coke is a far cry. Just a slightly better Ritalin (who woulda thunk?). When I blow my nose I notice that each nostril has bled a little bit.
Unsure how I feel about this stuff. Does make you talk a lot ... but I'm unsure if I would really want to put any more than 100mg up my nose in an evening due to how harsh it is. The drip is disgusting also so sublingual not really an option. Obv theres plugging but is hardly appropriate in a club/socially etc.
Comparing to coke is a far cry. Just a slightly better Ritalin (who woulda thunk?). When I blow my nose I notice that each nostril has bled a little bit.
Unsure how I feel about this stuff. Does make you talk a lot ... but I'm unsure if I would really want to put any more than 100mg up my nose in an evening due to how harsh it is. The drip is disgusting also so sublingual not really an option. Obv theres plugging but is hardly appropriate in a club/socially etc.
AyahuascaSeeker13
Bluelighter
Hows your health in general? This doesn't really sound like shit I have used.
Are you on other meds? Give us a bit of a history, this doesn't sound right to me.
Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
My nose is pretty blocked up right now but I've had sinus problems for a little while as I mentioned. Will take it easy on the nose from now on.
Jake: Haven't tested solubility, but could post up some results a little later on. I don't IV, but let us know how it goes if you do. Given the burn, I'm not sure if I'm keen on plugging.
Methylphenidate isn't known to show quite the same cardiotoxic effects as cocaine; the latter has the ability to block sodium channels which is what causes it's anesthetic effects. This also contributes significantly to it's toxic effects on the cardiovascular system.
The FDA Pediatric Advisory Committee has discussed the cardiovascular risks of methylphenidate and as you can see in the minutes from their meeting, didn't seem to take it too seriously. It almost seems as if they were phoning it in that day. If you have pre-existing heart conditions or high blood pressure then methylphenidate, ethylphenidate and other stimulants in general should probably be avoided.
As for half-life, many drugs have very different elimination times. I can't find anything solid on ethylphenidate, apart from it being established that it's shorter then methylphenidate.
That link apparently only lets you view it once or something as I can't see the relevant text now after refreshing.
Jake: Haven't tested solubility, but could post up some results a little later on. I don't IV, but let us know how it goes if you do. Given the burn, I'm not sure if I'm keen on plugging.
lovepsychadelics said:
Methylphenidate isn't known to show quite the same cardiotoxic effects as cocaine; the latter has the ability to block sodium channels which is what causes it's anesthetic effects. This also contributes significantly to it's toxic effects on the cardiovascular system.
The FDA Pediatric Advisory Committee has discussed the cardiovascular risks of methylphenidate and as you can see in the minutes from their meeting, didn't seem to take it too seriously. It almost seems as if they were phoning it in that day. If you have pre-existing heart conditions or high blood pressure then methylphenidate, ethylphenidate and other stimulants in general should probably be avoided.
As for half-life, many drugs have very different elimination times. I can't find anything solid on ethylphenidate, apart from it being established that it's shorter then methylphenidate.
That link apparently only lets you view it once or something as I can't see the relevant text now after refreshing.
I'm 21 years old and my health is pretty good I believe, I smoke cigarettes and the most exercise I do really is walking/riding to Uni.. Don't participate in any frequent active sport but am slim and eat reasonably well.
No other medication except for Seroquell (I suffer from insomnia and these are the only meds i've been able to be prescribed) although I hate the side effects and use them maybe twice a month when I've been without proper sleep for too long.
It should be noted the sample you received initially is different to what is being sold now, instead of crystal it is now cut (informed by seller) though I doubt that is the cause for nausea.
I suppose I get nauseas pretty easily as often my stomach is upset when consuming anything from acid to ket to amphets/mdma. Just today I only had a small like of maybe 25 - max 50 mg and got significant nausea an hour so afterwards that built up. Think it was a mix of the terrible drip and drinking water to try and wash the taste away.
The harshness on the nose is concerning, blood from such small amounts. Snorted gently also as to have the chem sit in nostril to avoid drip. My nostrils have had a beating in the past also from crushed pills, ketamine, md + bk md crystal etc without ever having blood.
You say it doesn't sound right... What response could I have given that would explain the nausea/was there anything in mind? My 4 or 5 doses have been quiet small, maybe I need to have a decent amount in one go and then re asses.