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Esoteric [Ego-Death Subthread] Permanent / Irrecoverable Ego Loss

^Not so, all words are labels of a sort, you are in the realm of communication.
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Well, if you give something any label, even 'enlightenment', you are still in the realm of labels.
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yeah, and some labels lead one to fear and doubt. now we are in the realm of direction.
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Yeah but a label still isn't a direction or a communication. Its just an encoding. What it means to the reciever is whatever he decodes it into, not necessarily what you encoded it from. Just saying "enlightenment" to someone or labeling them that way doesn't make them so.
 
The other one's on par I'd say except for the incessant heated remarks and attacks.

I like both threads. I love the conversation here! :)
 
My guess would be that those with autism show more an inability to empathize, rather than the inability to recognize themselves (I've worked with several autistic people, and they all showed a definite ability to recognize their physical body in space time, but they did not or had difficulty recognizing anyone elses).

foolking posted: Stephen Gaskin a sixties hippie teacher had a neat saying "ego is for ensuring you cut the log not your arm" or some thing like that.
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That my friend, is an awsome quote.
 
gloggawogga said:
Yeah but a label still isn't a direction or a communication.
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no, but a label can lead to direction. if i tell somebody they are getting closer to enlightenment who are they going to go to? if i tell somebody they are getting closer to insanity and madness, who are they going to go to?

i have experienced psychosis for a straight month. after 4 months alone in my room (not working or going to school), meditating hours a day, taking a lot of psychedelics, i lost my mind for a month. there would be times when my consciousness would transcend its usual limits, beyond my body and ego. no, i didn't go to a doctor so they could load me up with drugs and lead me in the wrong direction. i went to somebody who took me into myself. ahh satguru..

Its just an encoding. What it means to the reciever is whatever he decodes it into, not necessarily what you encoded it from. Just saying "enlightenment" to someone or labeling them that way doesn't make them so.
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i am aware of this.
 
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it is only through the realization, awareness, and acceptance of the madness in all of us we can start treading the path. repression of madness is repression of the path to our innermost self.
 
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^Oddly enough I only very recently finished an acccount of psychosis for a proposed book.
I agree with what you say about it being the way to find your inner self for sure , just there's better ways to do it I'd guess.
 
zophen said:
^Oddly enough I only very recently finished an acccount of psychosis for a proposed book.
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you purposely went mad to write this book?

I agree with what you say about it being the way to find your inner self for sure , just there's better ways to do it I'd guess.
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madness is not a way to find yourself, it exists within all of us and we have to accept it to transcend it. i think you misunderstood me.. let me change what i said last post :).. and again
 
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^No I did not misunderstand you at all , at least I think not maybe if you change the post it shall look that way tho.

Oh not my book I was simply asked would I contribute.:)



you purposely went mad to write this book?
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You ask some daft questions MT don't you lol, of course I didn't go mad deliberately it was accidental due to shooting methamp/amp for about 2 years.
Not advisable really but it did teach me some stuff about me !!
 
heh, i thought so... just the way you said it, had to make sure =D plus i am not very educated... i did jack shit in school!

so if you are misunderstanding me, than what better ways is there to find your innermost self than through yourself? a certain somebody? because then i would agree..
 
^Me too re:school they said we are tired of you be gone !!!! And so it was so !

You can only find yourself through yourself for sure, although becoming psychotic isn't necessarily the best way to do this !
 
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although becoming psychotic isn't necessarily the best way to do this !
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ok you did not misunderstand me, i did not explain myself correctly (pardon my ignorance). i am in no way saying psychosis is even a way. scratch the word psychosis, i really mean insanity. (pardon the switching around of words, im not experienced in conveying what i mean).

im saying that we are all insane (on different levels). and once we realize our insanity we do not repress it (which most doctors seem to do), but accept and understand that we are all insane. it is ignorance of the fact that we are all insane and the fear of the realization of our insanity that takes us deeper into it.
 
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^No I disagree , i was insane I am not insane now (you may well be and good luck with it :D ) My insanity was a very unpleasant frightening experience.
i'd accept that we all make decisions based upon whimsical emotions at times or do what we feel we ought rather than what we really want to at times , is that insanity ???
 
no, but a label can lead to direction. if i tell somebody they are getting closer to enlightenment who are they going to go to? if i tell somebody they are getting closer to insanity and madness, who are they going to go to?
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So you're going to resort to labelling someone just to control where they go? Whether its "enlightenment" or "insanity" its just a label and gross oversimplification. And maybe if someone really needs psychological help, maybe they should go to a doctor, not some fucking "guru". Not everyone needs a "guru".

i have experienced psychosis for a straight month. after 4 months alone in my room (not working or going to school), meditating hours a day, taking a lot of psychedelics, i lost my mind for a month. there would be times when my consciousness would transcend its usual limits, beyond my body and ego. no, i didn't go to a doctor so they could load me up with drugs and lead me in the wrong direction. i went to somebody who took me into myself. ahh satguru..
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That worked for you. That doesn't mean its going to work for everyone. Either way just assigning a stupid label isn't fix to the problem. Its better to avoid any label, be it "enlightenment" or "insanity" and just talk to the person about their problems themselves. The label is just a gross oversimplification.
 
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zophen said:
^No I disagree , i was insane I am not insane now (you may well be and good luck with it :D ) My insanity was a very unpleasant frightening experience.
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like i said, there are different levels of insanity.

i know that i am subtly insane at most times, because i think (right now im full on insane ;). since we perceive through a created reality, i just think that is not as sane as it gets. full on sanity, to me, is not perceiving through our created ego, but BEING our innermost self, that which is before all that we create.

i'd accept that we all make decisions based upon whimsical emotions at times or do what we feel we ought rather than what we really want to at times , is that insanity ???
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no you are right. i still must not be making myself clear. damn language and uneducated me! %)
 
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So you're going to lie to someone just to control where they go? If someone really needs psychological help, maybe they should go to a doctor, not some fucking "guru". Not everyone needs a "guru".
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lets not get angry now, it doesn't make you look too good.

i am not going to lie or control, i am going to help them to think positively and be aware of their possibilities.

That worked for you. That doesn't mean its going to work for everyone.
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what if they saw a doctor?

i agree that it will not work for everyone, because some hold on to their old ways.

Either way just assigning a stupid label isn't fix to the problem.
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there is more than 'assigning a stupid label' going on here.. obviously we are past that.
 
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