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Esoteric [Ego-Death Subthread] Permanent / Irrecoverable Ego Loss

^ your ego operates your physical body and your thought process, without the ego you have no control over you body or thoughts. better yet, there will be no body movement or thought when the ego completely disappears. so if the ego is permanently gone the person would seem dead, but he could still live. this is when people are going through intense enlightenment during their final stages, they can't function in the material world at all because they exist so far beyond their ego, and it is that ego that needs to function in society. they seem dead, have to be fed and kept alive. that is why they say it is a dangerous path because you become separated from the material world, but once their done that stage i believe they are enlightened and have total conrol over their being. im not talking about psychedelics either, for some meditation has caused complete ego death (osho, meher baba). it's all the same stuff, but drugs are a glimpse.

but after the ego is completely gone, what happens?

i don't believe it would be lonely, as you would connect to the divine. you would most likely be experiencing pure bliss, and it would not be scary because only the ego possesses fear, and were not in the ego.


but to lose it permanently would be somewhat like emptying out all the things you use as a frame of reference
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you would not need all of those things, because the present moment (which is everything) holds all knowledge, that beyond our created intellect. We are accessing natural intelligence, and you don’t have to learn, you can know.


You wouldn't know yourself , it'd be fucking lonely as HELL !
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if you wouldn't know yourself then your ego would still be in operation, because there would be no "you" trying to figure out who "you" are. you would be purely you, totally conscious of yourself, existing in the present moment awareness.

So what would happen if we completely dropped the ego?


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Ego loss/death has made me appreciate my ego more, and not make me think of it as a 'pesky thing that I need to destroy for ever!'

Yes, having your sense of self and identiy blasted into the cosmos and being connected with the cosmic-whole, the bliss of just 'existance' without the wraps of "I" and your own ego and bullshit wrapped up into it is amazing.

But if anything, Psychedelics have shown me the beauty of life, even while in sober states. It makes me want to go out and make the most out of it, to enjoy it to the fullest, to reach my own personal potential, and you need your ego about you to function in the world to do that.
 
I think something akin to autism is being born or living entirely without ego. If you could contemplate ego loss, you are not experiencing it.

And can we cut the crap?



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^ i would not say damaged. there are ways to heal the ego, it may be a long process and you may need help. but some who have gone through this are in doubt because they think they are permanently damaged. this is an illusion.
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I didn't say permanently damaged, I said damaged. I didn't say it couldn't be healed. But by definition, an injury is damage.
 
A friend of mine who I suspect is afflicted by several symptoms associated with schizophrenia seems to be experiencing some form of ego loss every day of his life. Then again that is only my unprofessional opinion I formed while in the throws of an ego-less mushroom session.
 
Jefftildeath said:
Nah, I see what you're saying. I just mentioned being catatonic because of the loss of conscious function associated with ego loss.

When I experienced ego loss, it wasn't as if everything was normal except for the fact I had no idea who I was. I mean, I didn't know what ANYTHING was. I was mentally catapulted to a place light years away from my human existence. I was in the Land of Honsorcelo, upon the Smelf Grid, on the Time Dot.

I never thought of ego loss as a state where you simply forget who you are, yet can fully function. No one is making a tray of lasagne while in the fathomless depths of ego loss. I couldn't picture playing some Connect Four while without my sense of self, or ability to accept that I'm a human being on planet earth. I was GONE.

So, although catatonia is a state of being completely still and unresponsive (which is what becomes of ones sense of self during ego loss), I admit that one can experience ego loss and still autonomously rise and flail, or whatever. Ego loss certainly doesn't equal a catatonic state, but I have no problem accepting that many ego loss experiences often involve the ego loser staring blankly and unresponsively into space.

Why? Do any of you think you experienced ego loss, yet could still go about your normal affairs (only without any knowledge of who you are)?

I also had an experience on psilocybin mushrooms in which I lost track of who I was. I was still functional, so I just checked my driver's liscence. "Oh, THAT'S who I am.". So there was loss of self, but not complete loss of ego. If I was experiencing full on ego loss, I don't think I'd have care who I was, or known to check my liscence.

Perhaps one could say there are different degrees of ego loss, but I consider true ego loss to be what I experienced on Salvia. 100% Oblivious maximus.
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For me this happens almost everytime I trip now. Im not sure why it happens but I wish it wouldnt happen to me. Even though I sometimes get something out of it I cant really enjoy my trips like I would like too.
 
Dexhead said:
I am forevor paranoid and cannot stand going to the store where it is crowded. i get nervous around people i dont know and i shake sometimes due to nervousness. Fuckin hallucinogens man.
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Yah they fuck ya dont they
 
I read somewhere that in childhood we only have something called the ID then around adolescence we develop an ego and then in adulthood move on to the final Super Ego.

So maybe the ego is simply the selfish mechanism that keeps us alive and without it we would eventually just die.ex/without fear of hunger pain or fear of dying we wouldn't hunt food and eventually die.
 
I'v had some ego losses so bad that I thought that i'd never get back to reality and that my ego would be destroyed and it would be like starting life again
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there's a contradiction in what you're saying :
if you thought you wouldn't get back to reality, that was not ego loss you were experiencing

in total ego oss, you don't remember that there is another state of being than the one you're experiencing at this very instant

If you lose your ego, can you use the word 'I?' Do you understand it?
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you can't understand the "I" as "me human" or "me, called x/in this place/on this drug"
you only understand "I" as "the consciousness that's undergoing this experience"

I think something akin to autism is being born or living entirely without ego
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mm, i don't see why!
 
gloggawogga said:
I didn't say permanently damaged, I said damaged. I didn't say it couldn't be healed. But by definition, an injury is damage.
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my bad, i just don't like the word 'damaged'. within society it is better labelled damaged, in eden it would be enlightenment.
 
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autism is a close guess
but any conditioned reactions are the essence of ego.
it is like a spice.
a dash here and a dollop there
season to taste.
 
co.1nspire said:
I read somewhere that in childhood we only have something called the ID then around adolescence we develop an ego and then in adulthood move on to the final Super Ego.

So maybe the ego is simply the selfish mechanism that keeps us alive and without it we would eventually just die.ex/without fear of hunger pain or fear of dying we wouldn't hunt food and eventually die.
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You know, the last time I was tripping on LSD, I got thinking - "I wonder if how a person acted as a child, would affect/be reflected in how they act while tripping"

At higher doses, your sense of self slips away - you dont know who or what you are, or the concept is difficult to grasp.

The world can seem new, strange, alien - you see things, but dont understand them, much like a new child would.

Are you the kind of child that would sit and stare at the world in awe? Are you the kid who would crawl into a corner or under a blanket wanting comfort? Would you cling to your mother or the few things that you knew while looking at the rest of the world scared? Or would you try and drift away and go exploring.

For me, thats one of the many things I like about psychedelics - its like looking at the world through the eyes of a newborn again. The world seems so fresh, new, interesting, its like seeing the simple beauty in everything for the first time. A walk down the block isnt a chore - its an advenure. The mundane becomes new and interesting, you also start to learn/discover more about yourself and understand it.

You can blast your ego to oblivion, get lost in a moment of ectasy - then as you start to re-gather yourself, you begin to see yourself in a new light, but it is also like figuring out so many things for the 1st time again.
 
gloggawogga said:
Well, if you give something any label, even 'enlightenment', you are still in the realm of labels. ;)
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yeah, and some labels lead one to fear and doubt. now we are in the realm of direction.

I am forevor paranoid and cannot stand going to the store where it is crowded. i get nervous around people i dont know and i shake sometimes due to nervousness. Fuckin hallucinogens man.
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^^ that is a perfect example of a person who has given into doubt.
 
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Has there been individuals who have been in a catatonic state and come out to elucidate what that state was like? Most descriptions seem to be have been from 1950's psychiatrists sticking pins in individuals who were made to stand naked in front of students. If you go to a Buddhist groups on the net and follow the same discussions (albeit without the drug), The same problems of what is self and ego and our subjective (or in deed is that ever possible) experience of ego death are discussed. Stephen Gaskin a sixties hippie teacher had a neat saying "ego is for ensuring you cut the log not your arm" or some thing like that.
 
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