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EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

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Y'know I kinda thought that's more or less what it said. Dunno why I never got that chemistry PhD cos am clearly a natural. Clearly.

Only complaint I have about 4-FA is that the comedown is truly brutal. I'm usually good with stim/entactogen comedowns but coming down of 2g of 4-FA utterly destroyed me. Not only felt like toasted turd but was taking anything and everything said personally (thinking people hated me, were taking the piss, I am but scum, etc, etc) and bursting into floods of tears every few minutes. Other than that it's great stuff but man is that comedown nasty 8o
 
4-BA was the one i was thinking of. Thats all i could comprhend from that paragraph. I should be able to remember that: BA for Bastard. No 4-Bastard.

OMG not only are there haloganeted fluro-amphetmanines but there are also para-haloganeted fluro-amphetmanines. Ahh jeepers i might start talking about these to piss off my key worker in the next session if im feeling mischevious. They are not very good with RCs. Narh Im not being serious, i wont do that, I'll save it for when some doctor is being a cunt. That will definately shut them up if i start talking about things like that, even though i havent the foggiest what it means i can at least pronounce it, if not spell it.
 
I found it pretty mild compared to mandy comedowns, ever considered that 2g is a fucking insane dose, hense the heavy comedown, you drugpig you ;)!?

How did you find it dan & other users? From what f&b said years back the comedown shouldn't be as harsh because the nasty metabolite from mdma aint produced from 4-fa, i found it to be fine at 500mg in a night.
 
Kronos said:
I found it pretty mild compared to mandy comedowns, ever considered that 2g is a fucking insane dose, hense the heavy comedown, you drugpig you ;)!?
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Wasn't a single dose - even I ain't that stoopid :D

But yeah, it was a lot. Was the first time I used it and got a bit carried away. Actually made a complete arse of myself and thoroughly regretted it for a while. As it happens, I'm rather glad that it turned out that way in hindsight cos it set a whole train of things in motion which were all very much for the better. Give me a comedown from a gramme of MDMA (I don't actually get comedowns from MDMA - just knackered and hankering for a bit o' ket usually), a fuckload of speed, or a week on frikkin PV over that particular 2g 4-FA comedown though. That was just plain horrible :|
 
Never had a proper comedown off 4-FA, even after doing nearly a g over 4 days

Feeling this 250 mg bomb, tingly, gonna introduce it to my mate tonight. got aprox 300mg bombed up, might have to take a bit out thats gonna have too heavy for him. ive told him its speed, cant be fucked with explaining it to him. he trusts me
 
Cant be assed, hes skeptical with dodgy sounding names. it feels similar to speed, sod it, its speed. back in the pre ban meph day he bought all the plant feeder bullshit hype, he regrets not trying it now. he woulda had the time of his life. Smoked DMT with him n all sorts
 
300mg is a irresponsibly high dose for a first timer mate, take out at least 100mg! Unless hes like 20 stone or something
 
High aint it, sod it im gonna split it. hes about 16 stone, can handle his stuff. if i had more left we'd end up re-dosing anyway, its only gonna be 1 bomb each. it might be alright. plus i think this batch is weaker. scales are a bit dodgy as well its weighing about 330 in a rizzla, rizzla is about 40mg, should be alright. more forgiving than meph anyway
 
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Cant be assed, hes skeptical with dodgy sounding names. it feels similar to speed, sod it, its speed. back in the pre ban meph day he bought all the plant feeder bullshit hype, he regrets not trying it now. he woulda had the time of his life. Smoked DMT with him n all sorts
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It sounds like your mate is not very clued up. Maybe not very well read

This is a difficult aspect of drug use and HR. People need to have some self-respect and self-confidence in their mental powers in order to make informed choices about what they put in their bodies. Maybe you could encourage your friend to engage his brain?
 
Nah hes a clever guy, we're close mates like brothers, naieve to drugs sometimes, even though brags about having done loads back in the day, hard to explain
 
para- refers to the 4- position (opposite the other substitution, so PMA = 4-MA etc). halo-/halagenated refers to the group on the periodic table directly to the left of the noble gases, fluorine, chlorine, bromine, and iodine (so, MDB. there's not really 4-halogenated fluoroamphetamines, that's redundant, like talking about a semi-detached house bulding). S0, para halogenated amphetamine means an amphetamine with an F/Cl/Br/I group opposite the ethylamine sidechain. Can talk about parahalogenated alpha-aklylated phenylakylamines if you want to bamboozle that keyworker.

That bit Dan quoted means that 4-FA doesn't seem capable of doing the kind of damage PCA or PBA can be (they were all tested as antidepressants once), which is truly staggeringly awful. PCA and PBA can permanently cause severe irreversible serononergic damage from a single use. So much so, that if for some reason a researcher specifically needed to perform experiments on a lab rat with severely depleted serotonergic neurons, they would probably give one of those chemicals to said rat. 4-FA doesn't seem to have this same potential for damage.

Funny you mention calling 4-FA "speed", Dan, it actually is turning up in street amphetamine all over Europe (along with 4-methylamphetamine) often enough that it's bein mentioned in information disseminated by EMCDDA. "Speed" also hasn't necessarily always referred to one specific chemical, but to all ATS dtugs (methamphetamine is called "speed", as was phenmetrazine when it was common).
 
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babylonboy bringing on the science!

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What is the R? Why is it R?

Whether a ring is aromatic or not is highly subjective, I've kept mine very clean today.

(amphetamine type substance)
 
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. Can talk about parahalogenated alpha-aklylated phenylakylamines if you want to bamboozle that keyworker.
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erm i genuinely cannot even pronounce phenylakylamines so I'd kind of struggle with that. Please dont tell me you're self educated in all this stuff (would make me feel very thick and lazy) you at least have an o level in chemistry, if not an a level or degree, right ? I switched off in all chemistry lessons at school, something i really regret now. 8)

Do you know what i dont understand ? Chinese writing, arabic writing, Swahili, and Chemistry.

I could try harder to digest what you posted, i understood the sentence about the semi detached house building, and the whole of the 2nd paragraph, (though ive not even heard of those substances, that is terrifying that such things exist that could destroy your brains serotonin with one dose, 8o) but that was about it, the rest was as inpentrable as Swahili im afraid.

Do you know what i cant get over ?

a ten foot wall.

Do you know what makes me laugh ?

very funny things.

You impressed me in some other thread too, i cant remember what that was all about now though. :! (at my own memory)
 
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