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EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

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It's a ritual and the number is fairly arbitrary but I believe shorter threads reduce server load because database queries take less time. I might be making that up, but it sounds reasonable. A handful of endless threads is not a big deal if most threads are kept short.

edit: a quick google suggests that searches in long threads can hit performance, which makes sense.
 
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I like the title, makes me feel more like a scientist and less like a guinea pig ;)
 
doenst change the fact new rcs are comparitively shit to what came out some time ago eh :P
 
Its a fair point. I often think that all the RC drug discovery chemists are doing is rediscovering the drugs that the pharmaceutical companies threw away years ago. If ethylphenidate was more effective than methylphenidate then that would have hit the markets as ritalin instead. That said, I would probably rate ethylphen about 70 / 80% as good as methylphen - took some about half an hour ago and its working its charms pretty good in my book.
 
pharma companies also care a bit more about the safety profile of their chems, not because they really care about people, but because they need ther customers alive. many rc chemists would rather juggle the alphabet and see wht comes out with little if any consideration for safety.

beside bk2cb and perhaps escaline, ive not seen that much of a worthy rc surface this year.
especially stims. heck, i still get most of my kicks from 4fa and methylone years afer they hit the market. not to mention ol trusty mdma
 
I think its a valid point to make about the safety profile. The way that mdpv was marketed as a mephedrone replacement was rediculous. Apart from anything else, the potency of the stuff ( active at 5mg) meant that mentioning the two in the same sentence was simply asking for trouble. I do think the creation of advanced customer accounts by some of the vendors was a decent move though.

Escaline? Is that mescaline but with all the methyl groups turned into ethyl groups instead? I heard shulgin talking about that somewhere on the web a few years back. I'm pretty sure that meph and methylone are shulgin chemicals (actually I'm not confident of that but I'll check in a bit) but I don't know about 4fa. I'm quite interested in that actually. Mpa is quite interesting to me as well. Taking the methamphet sidechain and adding it to that funny penta-ring with the sulfur fused in it (sorry but my chem terminology is almost non existent, really need to sort it out) and ending up with an analogue that is nice and potent but has a really short duration - seems like it should open the door to some new thinking on RC's. Unfortunately I think you're comment about juggling the alphabet is bang on, which means that mpa is unlikely to open the door to anything.
 
Bk-2C-B was brilliant for me, extremely good, however my mate took like twice the amount I did and barely felt anything, unreliable compound, if it hits though it's splending, seriously good stuff.
 
LSZ, AL-LAD, 5-MAPB, Methoxphenidine- all greats from 2013

I forget the relase dates for 6-APB, MXE, 4-FA, 2-FMA but with the current rate of innovation around 50/year we are getting a few through here and there which are really great in their own right.
 
Apparently many of the RC benzos were first discovered about 40 years ago, etiz in particular being a case in point, though it is prescribed in countries like india it has remained uncontrolled here, and the RC vendors revived it a few years ago, and its been gradually gaining in popularity i believe, allthough every time i see a new doctor not one of them has still ever heard of it yet. It seems to be keeping a low profile. Touch wood (i literally did).
 
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Whats a good dose for bk 2cb?
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125mg for me

Transform said:
LSZ, AL-LAD, 5-MAPB, Methoxphenidine- all greats from 2013

I forget the relase dates for 6-APB, MXE, 4-FA, 2-FMA but with the current rate of innovation around 50/year we are getting a few through here and there which are really great in their own right.
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I'd add all the benzofurans except the eapbs, flubrazepam, probably some new tryptamines, ...

But to be fair, a lot of these chems were discovered before and just became popular in 2013.

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I think that all of the current rc benzos were discovered years ago.
 
if all the RC benzos were discovered years ago, its strange how they've kind of held back releasing each one, so pyrazolam, and diclazepam, and flubromazepam each came out about a year after the preceeding ones. By most accounts diclazepam isnt rated at all, pyrazolam gets approval as it seems weaker on the hypnotic effects but realtively strong on anxilosys, and flubro 'just feels nice' and has a very long half life. Its still very expensive though.

The price of etiz hasnt really come down at all, that must mean the vendors can still shift it at high prices, and flubro is even more expensive, especially considering that its several times less potent than etiz. I probably wont try flubro until i get my etiz dose right down to a few mg.
 
I have to say that pyrazolam is my favourite RC benzo because of how clean it is. Ordered 100 just a few mins ago actually.I think it was a really dumb idea to sell it as 0.5 mg doses, considering that its probably less potent than etizolam (I think 1mg etizolam is equal to about 1.5 pyrazolam but its hard to compare as they are different drugs). I do generally use benzo's to clean up stim side effects though so I can understand why people looking for a recreational experience would look past pyraz at any dose.

I actually think diclazepam is close to being the best of the bunch, however I just can't stand the nausea. The high reminds me a little of zolpidem and the z drugs though - quite trippy.

Etizolam is a really great all rounder but I think it's slightly too muddy for me compared to pyraz. That's partly a preference thing and partly a criticism. Preference wise it gives me too much memory loss to go with the admittedly welcome body high, criticism wise, it feels like it hits a fuck load of receptors, maybe even some acetylcholine ones - a bit like a trycyclic antidepressant from the 60's.
 
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Yeah i quite like them as well. theyre like weaker etiz without the sleepy mongy feeling a few hours later. ive had a bag of them for ages, only started bothering with them recently
 
Nice one, I was wondering whether I was the only one who rated the pyraz.
 
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if all the RC benzos were discovered years ago, its strange how they've kind of held back releasing each one, so pyrazolam, and diclazepam, and flubromazepam each came out about a year after the preceeding ones. By most accounts diclazepam isnt rated at all, pyrazolam gets approval as it seems weaker on the hypnotic effects but realtively strong on anxilosys, and flubro 'just feels nice' and has a very long half life. Its still very expensive though.

The price of etiz hasnt really come down at all, that must mean the vendors can still shift it at high prices, and flubro is even more expensive, especially considering that its several times less potent than etiz. I probably wont try flubro until i get my etiz dose right down to a few mg.
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I think that for one reason or another they never made it past early testing (could be toxicity, could be another better compound competing for the same resources, ...). Then the rc chemists just read old literature looking for compounds with the desired effects that aren't scheduled. Lots of designer steroids appeared the same way - for example superdrol aka methyldrostanolone is a 17a methylated version of masteron which was never marketed due to liver toxicity. Then it became popular in the 2000s as a legal steroid.
 
it's worrying if some of these RC benzos may possibly have failed toxicity tests. I would imagine that if they did then someone would know about it, and the info would gradually trickle down to everyone through forums such as this. For example there was concern about the toxicity of some of the fluoronated amphetamines, and this info did make its way onto here, all be it via The Drugs Forum. Allthough there was a great deal of confusion and uncertaintly about which ones were particularly bad, IIRC one such substance was identified and singled out as being particularly dodgy and neuro-toxic but i cannot recall which one it was. 8(
 
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