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when you're saying "ay" do you may "ay" is in "hay" or "gay" or "a" as in "rat" "hat" "cat" etc

Well done on the OU BB, yeah that definately qualifies as self taught, maybe the gcse gave you some foundational knowledge but it's still quite some leap, you're missing out the 2 years of A levels, or whatever they're called these days, that usually goes inbetween.

I was thinking/dreaming about lab experiments this morning, after thinking how cruel could an experiment be to destroy a creatures brain serotonin and turn it into a depressed rat or mouse. I think there were some related experiments IIRC where they put some rats in water deep enough for them to drown in, some of the depressed rats gave up trying to swim to stay afloat, but some of them that were not depressed persisted and persisted until they were finally rescued. IIRC the rats thats were rescued then went on to swim for longer and longer in successive experiments whilst their less optimistic fellows were left to drown. I might be imagining/making the last bit up, but im sure there's some truth in some of this somewhere.
 
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thanks to the christmas fuck up my end ive gone through over £160 worth of paid for drugs and another few grams of free stuff this christmas and what a waste really just started to get my head round the new pcp/mxe things and bang hospital pig shop kicked out massive shell shocked state for best part of a week want to get more of these 25c gel tabs and maybe try that bk-2cb again the mdpv was nice 300mg that i got sent for free landed just at the right time and had me buzzing for a few days but the crash after that last line is gone fucking hurts like mad
 
yer i am fine now thanks for asking :)

yes i got kicked out my place but thanks to my bail ive got to say here till that's up on the 21st of this month got housing for my area coming tomorrow afternoon to find me some where new then drug counselling on the 14th of this month just glad the doctors said i wasn't selectional this time really did not need another trip to the nut house lol :)
 
ffs be carefull with that stuff, its very easy to overdose, get addcited, and generally over do it. It has the same risk profile as benzos, if not even worse probably, its possibly on a par with phenazepam in some ways, in the way lots of people get into a mess with it, or OD on it. But ODs on this are fatal. Please be very very carefull, i dont think this is a good idea at all, its the last thing you need really, with everything else you've got going on, you might be reckless, and this stuff is very dangerous. Pontifex ODed on it and died.
 
ColtDan said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=GHB
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γ-Hydroxybutyric acid
Prescription drug
Consult a doctor if you have a medical concern.
Treats loss of muscle control (cataplexy) and excessive daytime sleepiness that is caused by a sleep disorder (narcolepsy). This medicine is a narcotic sedative that is also called GHB.

This makes absolutely no sense, a narcotic sedative to treat excessive daytime sleepiness. :?
 
mydrugbuddy said:
γ-Hydroxybutyric acid
Prescription drug
Consult a doctor if you have a medical concern.
Treats loss of muscle control (cataplexy) and excessive daytime sleepiness that is caused by a sleep disorder (narcolepsy). This medicine is a narcotic sedative that is also called GHB.

This makes absolutely no sense, a narcotic sedative to treat excessive daytime sleepiness. :?
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GHB/GBL is pretty damn stimulating. It only sedates at high dose - what recreational users would think of as a mild overdose. It's not very restful sleep though (imo, ime, ymmv, etc, etc) so can see why it'd only be used as an absolute last resort.

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not a new one i know but it is to me i could have some GHB powder coming and need some info
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I've never used GHB in powder form - only as a syrupy liquid. Treat it as you would GBL (ie with caution). Check out the GBL Megathread as you're more likely to get reponses in there cos it's where the GBL/GHB folks hang out. Also check out the GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread cos G addiction is no joke.

(in case it's not clear why i'm treating gbl and ghb as more or less the same drug it's cos they are more or less the same drug: gbl is converted to ghb in vivo and from memory (but double and triple check this if you do decide to use) 3-3.5g of ghb is equivalent to ~2ml of gbl (yes i did specify grammes not milligrammes) but, as i said, please double check and confirm that before taking any if you do decide to take any)

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Pontifex ODed on it and died.
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I really don't want to drag all that up any more than necessary as it's still very fresh and raw for those that knew him well, but I think you'll find that Ponti took a deliberate overdose. Obviously it's good to point out the risks of any drug (and there are certainly big risks with GHB/GBL (addiction and death are pretty big risks by any standards) but massively overstating the risks is not so helpful either cos people who are familiar with the drug know what is being said isn't really the case and are less likely to believe any other information presented. GHB/GBL is certainly risky, but it's a very widely (ab)used drug - and has been for many years - and I can count the number of deaths I've heard of on one hand.

(obviously that's not meant to say i'm recommending using the stuff or saying it's safe, just adding a lil context and personal experience is all)
 
right ok, maybe my post was a bit alarmist and extreme. Ive allways thought the stuff was too dangerous for me to dabble in, others may get away with it. It was on the TV news last year a young proffessional couple died after taking too much. I dont trust it, maybe i should say i dont trust myself with it.
 
Presumably this young, professional couple (what difference their age and employment status makes I'm not sure) were using black market GHB bought at a club or whatever (it's often sold in those lil plastic fishies that are used for soy sauce) so would have had no idea how much they were taking. If they had any idea how much they "should" take in the first place. This is incredibly reckless but is how the vast majority of people will come across the stuff. And yet still a scant handful of known deaths over the years it has been used. I wasn't aware of the two you mentioned so (assuming the reports are actually accurate which is no guarantee) that brings the tabloid hysteria total to three known deaths (outside of EADD) that I'm aware of. I'm sure there must be more but however ill-informed I may be it's hardly an epidemic.

To be clear, I am not for one moment saying it is a safe drug. I'm simply saying that - if used "correctly" - it's hard to imagine how you could overdose. The main risk comes from injuries caused by collapsing after taking slightly more than necessary (cos if you do you drop like a sack of shit, pass out and spazz about like a fish out of water for an hour or so, then come round feeling very stimulated) or from combining with alcohol (known to be a factor in the death of a student which was the tabloid-trigger that led to the ban a few years back) or other CNS depressants.
 
OK, i was just trying to warn FG thats all, i clealry needed to stop and think a bit more before i made that post, and maybe should not have posted anything atall as i have no first hand experience of the stuff. I am very wary of the stuff, i didnt want to see FG making further problems for himself.
 
Oh I totally agree as far as that goes, MDB. I really don't want to come over as encouraging anybody to use the stuff - just kinda felt I had to balance out your fairly extreme post with some personal experience and links to relevant threads for further information, opinion and advice is all. Nobody needs a G addiction. And (somewhat obviously) nobody needs to be accidentally overdosing on a substance they don't know much about. I'm not overly familiar with the ins and outs of FG's situation and presume he's as capable of making his own decisions as the rest of us (ie kinda variably capable ;)) but as I have lots (and lots) of experience with GHB/GBL I feel somewhat qualified to speak from that experience and to also point in the direction of further information cos the more combined experience there is to draw on the better really.
 
I have to say I'm with Shambles (although sadly not literally!), GBL (and thus GHB) are quite benign if dosed properly, and passing out after a mild overdose is not dangerous except in that you might get a crick in your neck or leave the oven on. But passing out normally only lasts an hour or so.

It just requires reasonably careful dosing, i.e. you must use a pipette, syringe or other liquid measuring device marked with sub-ml graduations (edit: if you're using liquid forms!)
 
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mydrugbuddy said:
γ-Hydroxybutyric acid
Prescription drug
Consult a doctor if you have a medical concern.
Treats loss of muscle control (cataplexy) and excessive daytime sleepiness that is caused by a sleep disorder (narcolepsy). This medicine is a narcotic sedative that is also called GHB.

This makes absolutely no sense, a narcotic sedative to treat excessive daytime sleepiness. :?
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Next thing you know they'll be using amphetamine based drugs to treat ADHD. (Supposed to be followed by a wink smiley, smileys not working, server busy etc etc)

I used to rather love GHB in powder form and miss the days you could safely import it from South Africa. Like, really miss those days.

GHB is definitely towards the safer end of the drug spectrum.
 
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