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help then

im happy to follow your lead if you have some business or battle plan Georgy

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YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
help then

im happy to follow your lead if you have some business or battle plan Georgy

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Just looks like your ignoring the issues brought up as you know they hold weight...

This being the main one:

Just one example from millions to mull:
He see's a child lying in the dirt, clothed in rags. It's frail skeletal form ravaged by months of starvation. Family all dead, no one in the world to help them. It should tug the heartstrings. He should help. After all, he can help, more than anyone or anything in the universe he can help. So God sends this poor child a gift from above; a nice cloud of flies to buzz at every crevice while he dies and a vulture to pick at his eyeballs. And to crown it all, once the kid breaths his last it's off the the fiery pit for all eternity.
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INB4CLOSE
I think these kind of discussions are not allowed on these boards anyway as they normally end up with the delusional getting butthurt and the logical getting frustrated with the single minded ignorance..
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
help then

im happy to follow your lead if you have some business or battle plan Georgy

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I do help. Whenever I can.

And I don't do it because I'm afraid of supernatural punishment or seeking heavenly reward.

Some might say that this gives an atheists good deeds more moral value. As they are not being coerced into being good with the carrot of heavenly pleasures and the stick of fiery lakes
 
Furious George said:
I do help. Whenever I can.

And I don't do it because I'm afraid of supernatural punishment or seeking heavenly reward.

Some might say that this gives an atheists good deeds more moral value. As they are not being coerced into being good with the carrot of heavenly pleasures and the stick of fiery lakes
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This, I can't stand people being deceived and misled and religion is the biggest and widest reaching deception going.
 
Furious George said:
I do help. Whenever I can.

And I don't do it because I'm afraid of supernatural punishment or seeking heavenly reward.

Some might say that this gives an atheists good deeds more moral value. As they are not being coerced into being good with the carrot of heavenly pleasures and the stick of fiery lakes
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wont be asking for any wages then George.. cool.. so im off for a bath.. I'll leave you to man the thread...

Petes got the keys when youve finished.. Since you dont want any heavenly pleasures either will be giving your banquet and er other indulgences to the poor dogs,liars, thieves et all outside..

And again.. thanks.. nearly got a sweat bead there.

Youre a saint!
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
wont be asking for any wages then George.. cool.. so im off for a bath.. I'll leave you to man the thread...

Petes got the keys when youve finished.. Since you dont want any heavenly pleasures either will be giving your banquet and er other indulgences to the poor dogs,liars, thieves et all outside..

And again.. thanks.. nearly got a sweat bead there.

Youre a saint!
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I honestly haven't a clue what you're saying here.

You haven't engaged with anything i've typed, though you reference me in your posts. I can see that this is not really a dialogue you're interested in. I'll leave you to it.
 
Furious George said:
I honestly haven't a clue what you're saying here.

You haven't engaged with anything i've typed, though you reference me in your posts. I can see that this is not really a dialogue you're interested in. I'll leave you to it.
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Its a form of self-deceiving denial thinking she's fully refuted and intelligibly argued all points you've made, infact its just random mumbling.
 
Furious George said:
I do help. Whenever I can.

And I don't do it because I'm afraid of supernatural punishment or seeking heavenly reward.

Some might say that this gives an atheists good deeds more moral value. As they are not being coerced into being good with the carrot of heavenly pleasures and the stick of fiery lakes
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People seem to think that because Christian's do so much charity, it is mandatory. It is not. The bible does not state you must be charitable to get into heaven, just that it pleases God. It is ironic that atheists beleive this is the one and only life we get, yet they don't do more. Some might say that in this situation it is immoral that athests don't do more? Without Christian charity most Africans wouldn't be alive right now.

I didn't really want to get involved in this thread, because theological debates never go down well on here. But it seemed important to point this out. Even if I weren't Christian I could quite easily see that it is Christians on this earth who go above and beyond what is considered normal in terms of giving. It is Christians who consistently give large amounts of their time and money to charity.
 
No youre welcome bro.. You know so much more about the sub and have more clarity.. women really shouldnt take this
kind of thing on..

so.. leave you to it then Boss!
 
Furious George has pretty much nailed it in every post. Spot on %)

Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
People seem to think that because Christian's do so much charity, it is mandatory. It is not. The bible does not state you must be charitable to get into heaven, just that it pleases God. It is ironic that atheists beleive this is the one and only life we get, yet they don't do more. Some might say that in this situation it is immoral that athests don't do more? Without Christian charity most Africans wouldn't be alive right now.

I didn't really want to get involved in this thread, because theological debates never go down well on here. But it seemed important to point this out. Even if I weren't Christian I could quite easily see that it is Christians on this earth who go above and beyond what is considered normal in terms of giving. It is Christians who consistently give large amounts of their time and money to charity.
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Is it not the other way around? I may be wrong but I'm sure I've read that atheists give more money/time to charity than Christians.

MSB, you're a christian who doesn't seem to also be a mentalist, maybe you can answer some of the points in this thread that YPDH has so ungracefully swerved?
 
parttime crackhead said:
Furious George has pretty much nailed it in every post. Spot on %)



Is it not the other way around? I may be wrong but I'm sure I've read that atheists give more money/time to charity than Christians.

MSB, you're a christian who doesn't seem to also be a mentalist, maybe you can answer some of the points in this thread that YPDH has so ungracefully swerved?
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Which points would you like answered?

Here are a few links to Christian/religious charitible giving:
The typical no faith American donated just $200 to charity in 2006, more than 7x less than the average religious person
http://www.barna.org/barna-update/a...atheists-and-agnostics-take-aim-at-christians

Christians are more likely to volunteer to help the poor and elderly:
http://www.pewforum.org/Religion-News/Religious-people-make-better-citizens-study-says.aspx

There is also a book by Arthur C Brooks called 'Who Really Cares', here are a few statistics from that book:
The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. For example, among those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89 percent from other religions.

Also:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=2682730&page=2#.T0pKufW26BU
There are also some graphs somewhere that show this is a world wide trend.
 
Fair play MSB, solid evidence & not just slightly unhinged nonsense. I'll take the hit on that one, I was wrong (& I had said I may be wrong).

YPDH, sit down. MSB actually posted like a rational normal human being & provided evidence to back it up. A fucking mile out from what you've been doing. You call me a fool for being wrong on that one point? You've dodged every solid question thrown at you, because you know that you don't have an answer because in my opinion you don't even know enough about your "faith" to defend it properly. I believe that MSB does, even though I still think he is wrong. I don't think that he became a christian out of desperation (again, I might be wrong) like you did.
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
Check out those birds flying in formation.. Nobody has told them the way but they appear
to know where they are going.. and they are doing it v tidily in a lovely V formation I must
add. :)
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Birds navigate using the Earth's electromagnetic field. They are thought to also use visual landmarks to guide them to sites with which they have attachments, such as breeding sites. Some species fly in a V formation to take the pressure off - The bird at the front will encounter the most wind resistance, whereas the birds at the back will encounter the least. Birds will change positions throughout the flight. Birds are a hell of a lot smarter than a lot of people realise, with some species possessing a cognitive ability to rival that of chimps. Have a gander (excuse the pun) at this: http://skitterbot.com/extras/Shaping_of_Hooks_in_New_Caledonian_Crows-Weir_Chappell_Kacelnil.pdf
 
Na'vi said:
Birds navigate using the Earth's electromagnetic field. They are thought to also use visual landmarks to guide them to sites with which they have attachments, such as breeding sites. Some species fly in a V formation to take the pressure off - The bird at the front will encounter the most wind resistance, whereas the birds at the back will encounter the least. Birds will change positions throughout the flight. Birds are a hell of a lot smarter than a lot of people realise, with some species possessing a cognitive ability to rival that of chimps. Have a gander (excuse the pun) at this: http://skitterbot.com/extras/Shaping_of_Hooks_in_New_Caledonian_Crows-Weir_Chappell_Kacelnil.pdf
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Nice explanation :-)

Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Here are a few links to Christian/religious charitible giving:
The typical no faith American donated just $200 to charity in 2006, more than 7x less than the average religious person
http://www.barna.org/barna-update/ar...-at-christians
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Is 'no faith' the same as 'atheist' ? I'm not sure it is. Also your source is the Bana Group; 'The Barna Group is an evangelical Christian polling firm based in Ventura, California.' Possibly biased?
 
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