EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

[matt<3ketamine]

I’m sure somebody is sore they’ve misplaced this baggie!

oh i bet, you get 25's and 50's around here, so that was someones sale or just purchased lol
sure ya dont fancy a wee handful of mysteriously dosed benzo's ya found in a car park, you'll be graaaaaaaand (....by next week probably)

 

[pharaoh]

Anyone care to hazard a guess to what these are? Found roughly 50 of them in a baggie in the car park at work. They’re going in the bin regardless.

Don't bin 'em! I'll give you a tenner for them .

Seriously though, I saw a sample of this design (the old Actavis print) and they were bromazolam. These are probably one of the many "street valium" pills floating around that have blue food dye and some kind of weird RC benzo in them. Could be anything.

 

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Don't bin 'em! I'll give you a tenner for them .

Seriously though, I saw a sample of this design (the old Actavis print) and they were bromazolam. These are probably one of the many "street valium" pills floating around that have blue food dye and some kind of weird RC benzo in them. Could be anything.

No pal, shortly after that photo they went into the pharmacy bin that gets taken to be incinerated.

 

[pharaoh]

Due to the pretty bad state of diazepam supply at the moment regarding fakes (not only other benzos in the tabs but also tabs that are merely chalk, and from usuallt reputable vendors that I have used for years and who have sent replacements for fakes that were also fake), I am thinking of switching from diazepam to etizolam. Have used it before, back when it was a legal RC and came in little pellets and also powder and also unwittingly in "street valium" in which it was the main active ingredient. There was a tablet going around at the time in Scotland that was so powerful, there were all kinds of rumours including that it contained rohypnol. It was etiz from test samples I saw, and I reckon that whoever was pressing them didn't realise how potent it was (probs putting way more than 1mg in a tablet).

Anyway, if seems like a safer bet at the moment but how do people think it compares? I dose roughly 3 times a day (10mg per dose) with diaz, depending on when I get up, how stressful the day is etc. People say that etizolam doesn't last as long, is this true? I base my doses to be roughly 6 hours a part or more but I've heard of people saying that they would redose on etiz every 3, which seems excessive and over the top.

Another thing is the "euphoria" which I think is quite specific to people who use benzos. It isn't euphoria like you get from heroin or the like and I'm not sure if it should even really be called it, but I know what they mean. A lot of people say etiz is less "euphoric" but also better as an anti-anxiety med, which is my primary reason for using benzos in the first place.

Anyway just wondered on general thoughts from people who use for the general reason of anxiety and who have considerations regarding the differences of both, positive and negative. I know that it is subjective but I threw approx £110 this month to get my supply on fakes. Thankfully one vendor replaced them (fake again but they will hopefully send something else). I need a decent benzo at the moment due to a stressful living situation - things are good and getting better but it helps. Coming off of gear is a part of this stress and diazepam is a life saver sometimes in that regard, on top of my legal treatment. I usually use for 2 months and then stop for the sake of avoiding dependency and also for tolerance. But with so much fake diazepam, I'm just thinking that etizolam might be a good change that isn't too noticeable and isn't some weird new benzo I haven't heard of and which doesn't have any data around it.

Anyway ramble over. There is also clonazepam and xanax - the first I've done once and barely remember and the latter I find too addictive and short lasting. More of a "fun" thing. But thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[Bleaney]

Due to the pretty bad state of diazepam supply at the moment regarding fakes (not only other benzos in the tabs but also tabs that are merely chalk, and from usuallt reputable vendors that I have used for years and who have sent replacements for fakes that were also fake), I am thinking of switching from diazepam to etizolam. Have used it before, back when it was a legal RC and came in little pellets and also powder and also unwittingly in "street valium" in which it was the main active ingredient. There was a tablet going around at the time in Scotland that was so powerful, there were all kinds of rumours including that it contained rohypnol. It was etiz from test samples I saw, and I reckon that whoever was pressing them didn't realise how potent it was (probs putting way more than 1mg in a tablet).

Anyway, if seems like a safer bet at the moment but how do people think it compares? I dose roughly 3 times a day (10mg per dose) with diaz, depending on when I get up, how stressful the day is etc. People say that etizolam doesn't last as long, is this true? I base my doses to be roughly 6 hours a part or more but I've heard of people saying that they would redose on etiz every 3, which seems excessive and over the top.

Another thing is the "euphoria" which I think is quite specific to people who use benzos. It isn't euphoria like you get from heroin or the like and I'm not sure if it should even really be called it, but I know what they mean. A lot of people say etiz is less "euphoric" but also better as an anti-anxiety med, which is my primary reason for using benzos in the first place.

Anyway just wondered on general thoughts from people who use for the general reason of anxiety and who have considerations regarding the differences of both, positive and negative. I know that it is subjective but I threw approx £110 this month to get my supply on fakes. Thankfully one vendor replaced them (fake again but they will hopefully send something else). I need a decent benzo at the moment due to a stressful living situation - things are good and getting better but it helps. Coming off of gear is a part of this stress and diazepam is a life saver sometimes in that regard, on top of my legal treatment. I usually use for 2 months and then stop for the sake of avoiding dependency and also for tolerance. But with so much fake diazepam, I'm just thinking that etizolam might be a good change that isn't too noticeable and isn't some weird new benzo I haven't heard of and which doesn't have any data around it.

Anyway ramble over. There is also clonazepam and xanax - the first I've done once and barely remember and the latter I find too addictive and short lasting. More of a "fun" thing. But thoughts would be appreciated.

Etiz starts wearing off within about 8 hours so it is of much shorter duration than Diazepam. It's very similar to Xanax, both chemically and in the subjective feelings I would say. There is defintely no need to re-dose every 3 hours. Anyone saying that must either have extremely severe anxiety, or be deep into a dependence issue, or just have a bad batch. Or just not wired for Etiz. Mind you, to be quite honest I would say that there's no need to re-dose with diazepam 3 times a day. From memory I thought it lasts at least 12 hours. Unless you are further down the path of dependence. Or if you smoke a load of cigs and drink loads of coffee that can decrease the duration of benzos quite a lot.

Lorazepam is a good choice if you can get a good brand like Hemofarm, they were excellent. When I tried to re-order I got sold some shite brand that were inactive or very weakly dosed though.

I have a hunch that Etiz is one of the benzos least likely to be faked, for a number of reasons. It seems that there's only been a couple of Etiz tablets sent in for testing on Wedinos and those came back OK, but none of those were Atizolm or Etilaam brands. The only brands I've ever seen. A lot of people intending to buy diazepam or xanax seem to have ended up with Etiz.

 

[pharaoh]

Etiz starts wearing off within about 8 hours so it is of much shorter duration than Diazepam. It's very similar to Xanax, both chemically and in the subjective feelings I would say. There is defintely no need to re-dose every 3 hours. Anyone saying that must either have extremely severe anxiety, or be deep into a dependence issue, or just have a bad batch. Or just not wired for Etiz. Mind you, to be quite honest I would say that there's no need to re-dose with diazepam 3 times a day. From memory I thought it lasts at least 12 hours. Unless you are further down the path of dependence. Or if you smoke a load of cigs and drink loads of coffee that can decrease the duration of benzos quite a lot.

Lorazepam is a good choice if you can get a good brand like Hemofarm, they were excellent. When I tried to re-order I got sold some shite brand that were inactive or very weakly dosed though.

I have a hunch that Etiz is one of the benzos least likely to be faked, for a number of reasons. It seems that there's only been a couple of Etiz tablets sent in for testing on Wedinos and those came back OK, but none of those were Atizolm or Etilaam brands. The only brands I've ever seen. A lot of people intending to buy diazepam or xanax seem to have ended up with Etiz.

I think that subjective effects of diazepam for me personally with a slight tolerance and based on metabolism is more like 6-8 hours, and so etiz would be a good replacement. There is always the probable notion that "10mg" tablets do not contain that also, so the actual dose of three tablets a day probably doesn't amount to 30mg. Even still, that's a useful reply. Cheers.

 

[Bleaney]

I think that subjective effects of diazepam for me personally with a slight tolerance and based on metabolism is more like 6-8 hours, and so etiz would be a good replacement. There is always the probable notion that "10mg" tablets do not contain that also, so the actual dose of three tablets a day probably doesn't amount to 30mg. Even still, that's a useful reply. Cheers.

Yeah thats true, I was forgetting about individual metabolism differences. But Diaz is more long lasting than Etiz. About twice as long lasting I would say as a rough guide.. But YMMV.

You may only get a couple of hours from Etiz at the rate you're going.. It depends what you are looking for and how severe your anxiety is too I guess.

 

[axe battler]

Anyone care to hazard a guess to what these are? Found roughly 50 of them in a baggie in the car park at work. They’re going in the bin regardless.

100% fakes, likely flubromazolam or bromazolam. I'd probably have given them a go but I'm a disgusting benzo bin. Good find! Wild benzos.

Anyone else found good droogz in the wild? I found a half strip of yellow 5mgs that were real, but I only took one after close inspecting the strip in case someone injected LSD or cat piss or something.

 

[Bleaney]

I'm finally getting round to sending an Atizolm brand Etizolam pill off to be tested. I've not really felt the need over the year or more that I've been getting them. Pretty much because they have always done what I would expect genuine Etiz to do. But I might as well make sure seeing as I have been using them quite regularly.

I also have some Kratom to send off. The reviews on the vendors site were really good and appeared to be genuine. But the particular strain I tried did nothing for me besides some antsy type stimulation effects. I also couldn't type very well, and I couldn't sleep, but there was no mood lift or confidence lift and no significant boost to music appreciation. All of these things would have been off the charts if it was decent Kratom, but nada. Nothing good.

It's disappointing, but at least if the sample tests come back as negative, I will have some evidence and ammunition to back up the complaint I plan to make.

 

[Forever Changes]

Remember postal strikes this week - if you plan to send stuff to Wedinos it may be delayed. There were two strikes on last week and I still haven't got a package I paid a premium next-day delivery for....

 

[axe battler]

Urgh fucking hell that's infuriating. Is it on all week? Lazy postman plod TWATS!

PS I'm totally fine with unions and strikes, but for god's sake this is our drugs we're talking about! You'll hopefully get the package next week as they're using scabs to prioritise special delivery stuff I think.

 

[Forever Changes]

strikes are Weds and Thurs this week.

My package is at the post office but as it's BZs I need to send to Wedinos ASAP and that will likely be delayed... but yeah I do have sympathy with strikers too

 

[anal_greed]

It's such a disgrace if the NHS wont even give benzos to terminally ill people. How fucking heartless can you get. It honestly makes me rage and despair at the same time. What the fuck does it matter if a medication can be habit forming, at that point!??

I know. In my Dad's last week alive his main fear was death. They'd inject him with morphine but refused to give him diazepam. I had a serious argument with them about the lack benzos. With a totally straight face they did the "can be habit forming" talk. He died three days later. I just hope the morphine injections also helped his anxiety.

 

[axe battler]

Don't they give morphine and midazolam? They did for my gfs grandma. Iv midazolam and morphine. Doses were a bit stingy tho.

 

[peace seeker 76]

Got my results from wedinos of some diazepam I bought. (Accord diazepam)

Came back as Bromazolam So not a happy bunny. You guys still think Bromazolam will do the trick. . What are your thoughts on it, particularly in terms of safety and effects.

Cheers

 

[axe battler]

Tonne honest bromazolam is a decent benzo, like a weaker Xanax, quite short duration but they definitely work.
Only trouble is they may have 2mg, they could have 50mg, they're all over the place.
If you wanna stay clear of fakes, don't get accord or Roche's right now.

 

[Bleaney]

I know. In my Dad's last week alive his main fear was death. They'd inject him with morphine but refused to give him diazepam. I had a serious argument with them about the lack benzos. With a totally straight face they did the "can be habit forming" talk. He died three days later. I just hope the morphine injections also helped his anxiety.

I wouldnt have let that go. THat argument is so full of holes I'd have had to argue the case with no backing down. The whole ethics and logic is completely fucked and nonsensical. Habit forming such a concern with 3 days to live!?

FFS!! How completely stupid. I'm furious, just hearing that anecdote. Can only try to imagine how you'd feel about it.

 

[Bleaney]

Don't they give morphine and midazolam? They did for my gfs grandma. Iv midazolam and morphine. Doses were a bit stingy tho.

Isnt Midazolam given when going under anaesthetic and to manage patients anxiety if they have particular anxiety about that process?

Otherwise it seems benzos are not an option on the NHS.

Fucking sucks.

I'm either going private, getting my own supply, or topping myself at the first sign id have to go into a home with no control over my own autonomy and decisions. Fuck that.

 

[peace seeker 76]

Isnt Midazolam given when going under anaesthetic and to manage patients anxiety if they have particular anxiety about that process?

Otherwise it seems benzos are not an option on the NHS.

Fucking sucks.

I'm either going private, getting my own supply, or topping myself at the first sign id have to go into a home with no control over my own autonomy and decisions. Fuck that.

I saw a private psychiatrist last month (for £400), and he also refused to give me diazepam. Quoted some new UK medical directives about addiction and benzodiazepines.


Are NHS doctors still giving out codeine like sweets? They were (2015) a few years ago.

 

[pharaoh]

Anyone know much about bromazolam? Doesn't seem to be much on it and psychonaut wiki didn't seem to have a page (although I had a bad connection at the time). After getting some fake diazies online, they sent some Prodes as a replacement. Chalky, barely any taste and I sent them straight to be tested. Results came back and apparently they contain bromazolam. I can't remember feeling anything and have no idea about dosage etc. Could be dangerous as I could see people eating a few to see if anything happens and ending up in a bad way. Heard bad things about other novel benzos and so in the interests of harm reduction, it'd be good to know more. I will be giving them a wide berth but would like more info given that I have nearly 90 of them. May do a "trip report" when I have a tolerance break and once I know more about toxicity etc.