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Tryptamines [DMT Subthread] Injecting (crystal clear) Extracts

^I've wondered the same thing as well. Back in my days of messing around with smack (the only substance that I have both IV'd and smoked, so the only one I can really comment on) I would sometimes get a rush (almost :\) equivalent to injecting if I took a few monster rips from a very good vaporizer....however it never really matched up most of the time ( I think a smackhead that prefers the smoking rush to the IV rush would be hard to find). I concluded that while in theory, smoking/vaporizing would be more of a rush, the results didn't always match up. Maybe one could attribute this to inefficient smoking methods, or not holding it long enough etc, but I don't think so because I always used a volcano vaporizer with tar ground in a coffee grinder, which I always thought was a spot on method.

I have no experience with DMT other than smoking, so I can't comment on injecting vs. smoking. I've just had such incredibly other-worldly experiences smoking DMT that this thread made me chuckle at first glance.

If I were to inject DMT, I would make hella sure that it was synthetic. MHRB particulate matter is not something I would want in my veins.
 
fizzacyst said:
Smoking takes time, and kind of hurts. While you are struggling to hold down those mothball fumes acute tolerance is developing. You can't really mess up and cough it out or not hold it long enough to be absorbed if you really want to go to the other side.

With an injection, wham, full dose into the body, right then and there. No real process aside from the few seconds it takes to inject, and you don't feel like you just inhaled fire.

I don't think I'd like it IV (though I won't rule it out). IM DMT is very pleasant, though. Its smoother, taking a little longer to "happen", but you can go just as deep and you don't start out on an insanely intense trip in pain.

A loaded syringe dumped right into the bloodstream kind of bypasses the whole puff, hold, puff, hold, puff, WTF MY LIGHTER HAS TURNED INTO AN ORB! thing. You ought to be able to get much, much larger amount to the head faster that way.
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yes, I'm in agreement on all points. But don't you think IMing extracted (ultra-pure) DMT is more dangerous than IVing it?

If I ever got synthetic DMT again that was pure enough I would definitely be IMing it also.

I just think that it won't be the full breakthrough experience that smoking it (or probably IVing it) would be. For reasons of short-term tolerance you mention above.

edit - damn this hoffman avatar trend is getting trippy! people are all blending into one! Long live HOFFMAN!!!
 
I love some phyedelics...but not so much 5ht2a agonists...I find ketamine and PCP to be SUPER euphoric...but I find they help induce a serene feeling that gets rid of my anxiety and makes for good trips.

but aside from that....PLEASE be careful, I want to hear your trip report, not hear about a death from some kind of plant extract sticking up in yo heart or brain or something.
 
I think l8ter this week I will trying a fairly large dose of either IMed or IV DMT. I was able not long agao to get some pretty good effects from smoking it (thanks you's guys!!!). the reason I want to use the needle is one, Im kinda on a needle trip tehse days and also I find it much easier to accurately dose your self. smoking it can sometimes be hit or miss even out of the machine.


hopefuly I can also use this breakthrough dose of DMT to reset me into a more sober life. in the past I kinda ignored the fact that I could have used the breakthrough as a "marker" at which to develope a real change in my life an drather opted to abuse it till it just stoped allowing me access to the other side.


wish me luck, and send some good vibes my way when I embark on this DMT for change.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
... But don't you think IMing extracted (ultra-pure) DMT is more dangerous than IVing it?...
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I don't know. I feel pretty good about it. I've injected synthetic stuff, and extracted stuff that I cleaned up really well and then gave to a friend to further refine so I knew it wasn't going to have shit in it. Honestly, I think the refined extract ended up being better quality. It was all sterile, no fucked up pH or anything, supervised, etc.

I guess not. I don't really see how taking a pure chemical in the muscle could be worse for you than shooting it up. I can say I'm pretty sure IVing it would incite a massive panic attack in me, even if it was only until the concept of panic itself stayed behing with the rest of reality. I hate panic attacks, esp as the DMT is kicking in, so I think that would be pretty rough on me. I'm working my way off valium (some day), and its hard enough without subjecting myself to that kind of thing.

IM K is more uncomfortable, thats for sure. makes me sore.
Why do you think it would be less dangerous IV (again, assuming we are talking about straight DMT, no ghetto extract nonsense)
 
Could someone help me find a place where I can purchase .22 micron syringe filters? I looked on eBay and found nothing.

Can someone also suggest the best kind to get (nylon, cellulose acetate, etc.) and maybe even link me to a place where I can order some?

Is there anything I need besides a .22 micron syringe filter (and sterile needles, of course) to shoot DMT using vinegar (as safely as possible)? I don't need a wheel filter if I have a micron filter, right? I have never used a filter besides cotton before, so if someone could point me in the right direction to purchase what I will need. I want to do this as safely as possible.

If I am missing anything, let me know as well.

You could also PM me if preferred.
 
look on those 'best deal' or 'best buy' search engines. Thats how I always find my injection gear (as long as you're not super-picky about brands you can get good deals). As long as I'm not IVing, then I'm not picky about brands.

or, if you live in a city, go to a needle exchange. (google it)

Fizzacyst, I thought IM would be more dangerous because like IMing heroin is more dangerous than IV because any impurity sits at the injection site whereas IV the impurities quickly dissipitate in your bloodstream and through your liver eventually...Does my logic follow?
 
samadhi_smiles said:
I thought IM would be more dangerous because like IMing heroin is more dangerous than IV because any impurity sits at the injection site whereas IV the impurities quickly dissipitate in your bloodstream and through your liver eventually...Does my logic follow?
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Depends on what you mean by impurity ...

IV allows any unfiltered particulates to lodge in capillaries and cut off blood flow (embolization) in the first capillary bed they come to, which would be the lungs. Or, if you hit an artery by accident, you're at risk of losing limb circulation and ending up with a gangrenous hand. Not to mention the risk of bacteria adhering to heart valves, viruses causing a deadly myocarditis, or severe allergic reactions ...

IM has a much higher risk of localized infections (e.g. abscesses) because of the reasons you mentioned, although IV bypasses the liver. I suppose IM is much less likely to have life-threatening complications.

OTOH, none of this applies if you follow aseptic technique, but how many IV drug users do?

In addition to infections and emboli, specific toxicities of impurities add another dimension of risk. If the impurities made it through a micron filter, they'll get to your bloodstream whether or not you use IM or IV. I wouldn't necessarily say one method is safer than the other ... it depends on a lot of things. To a typical heroin user, IM is probably seen as more dangerous because the risk of abscess is much higher than that of heart complications. And small emboli are less likely to contribute to an acute reaction, since the damage accumulates over time.
 
Is this what I need?

"Millipore Sterile PVDF 33mm Syringe Filters"
".22µm pore size"

Another question: They look like big wheels. How do you use them? I would assume it's a different procedure than filtering with cotton. Do you actually put the needle THROUGH the filter, or what? What is the technique for using these motherfuckers? I have no idea how I would use one, but I have never seen one with my eyes, only pics on the net. Would it be best to use with solution in a spoon, or a shotglass, or what?

Also, can you use them multiple times? Or are they one-time use only?
 
Yeah, thats what you need. They will fit onto the end a luer-slip type syringe, or or twist on to a luer-lok type rig. Then you can stick a needle on the end, and inject your solution into a sterile vial or whatever.

Dissolve your stuff, filter through cotton to catch the big pieces of debris, then suck it up into the (larger) syringe. attach filter/needle, push through filter into sterile container (or I guess you could backload another syringe that you will inject with). You can only use them once, and I'd pre-wet them a bit and push a little extra fluid through afterwards to flush them, but you don't really have to do that, I guess.
 
I have tried IM and IV extracted DMT (freebase+vinegar) and not run into any issues, but that doesn't mean it is necssarily a bright idea. a wheel filter is definitely called for, particularly if IM'ing (IMing is more dangerous than IVing in terms of abscesses and so forth.)

IM DMT - gentle onset and gentle comedown, very pleasurable. have done about 60-80mg, which was enough for serious visuals but not close to a breakthrough, which would probably require a fairly high dose.

IV DMT - fucking crazy intense. a friend did about 80mg and for about 5-7 minutes was totally gone, reported complete ego loss, "ceasing to exist," but an amazing, rewarding, and refreshing experience. about half of that, for me, was an intense psychedelic rush, still on earth pretty much, but very hard hitting ... in a good way.
 
^^20-25 mg pure DMT IV put me 100% out of touch with reality. Moreso than 40-50 mg smoked. See page 2 for details. Start low.

fizzacyst said:
They will fit onto the end a luer-slip type syringe, or or twist on to a luer-lok type rig. Then you can stick a needle on the end, and inject your solution into a sterile vial or whatever.
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I do not condone injecting extracted DMT, however, for harm reduction purposes, here's a clarification of fizzacyst's post.

You need:

A needleless syringe (preferably luer lok) … this will contain the unfiltered solution and lock onto the inlet of the filter.
Water (preferably bacteriostatic)
A 0.22 micron filter
A needle (just the needle tip, no syringe; this fits on the other end of the filter)
A rubber-capped sterile vial for storage (pump the solution straight through the filter into the sterile vial)
Alcohol wipes to swab the exposed vial top and injection site (soap works too)
 
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A rubber-capped sterile vial for storage (pump the solution straight through the filter into the sterile vial)
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So, after attaching the wheel filter, I shouldn't re-attach the needle? I should just shoot the solution into the vial without the needle over the filter? Is there a reason for this?
 
You will need a needle on it to penetrate the septum of the vial. Its important to not re-use a needle, if that is what you are asking. 1 poke per needle.

Would it help if if I set up a rig with some colored water or something and took a picture, to show you what it looks like?

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That sounds like a smartass comment now that I read it again. It wasn't meant that way. Its extremely important that this be done correctly, or you aren't accomplishing anything at all.

I will take pics start to finish of processing some table salt or something if that would help give you a solid picture (prob not until the weekend tho).
 
Couldn't I just pump the filtered solution back into the spoon, or whatever I will use as a dish to draw up the solution? Why do I need a vial? Only for storage (like if I converted a lot at once)?

I think I got the basics of doing this down...
I'm using "synthetic DMT" (orange-ish...china) so I'm not even sure if a wheel filter is necessary, but I am going to wait and use one anyway.

I've got to make sure that the dose/shot is under 1ml at the end, because my IV needles are only 1ml. So for my first time I'll try to dissolve like 50mg in like .3ml vinegar, and then add .3ml water. That makes a 0.6ml shot.

This shit can get expensive, huh? With wheel filters being $4 each, I guess it would be smarter to convert more at once and store in vial.
 
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It is extremely important to use the micron filter. You don't want that garbage going into you. You don't have to use a vial, you can squirt it into a syringe with the plunger pulled out or something.

If you put it into a spoon, its not going to be sterile anymore. I guess you could autoclave the spoon or something... but if you can do that then vial probably shouldn't be an issue. :)

It saves money to do a few doses at once, yeah.
 
^ yes! The synthetic stuff from china is actually not very pure looking to me (or tasting when smoking it). Its got some crap in it for sure that I wouldn't want in my veins. Wheel filter!
 
If each drug is a gateway to the next, perhaps you should rethink taking the last step in the progression. IV'ing DMT to make it a "healthier" practice than smoking it? Are you really concerned with this or with just getting higher? Maybe I'm the only one here who thinks using needles to get high = you completely suck at life.

What next.. trying to inject it into your tear dots?
It makes me a little sad that everyone seems to be supporting these awful ways of doing drugs..
 
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