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dealing with jail

I've seen a lot of posts that talk about the inside, but nothing that talk about the outside.

I can't really talk about my crime (it was major, although it was only a conspiracy that I had no intention of carrying out) as I was a minor. If I were an adult, I would have either beaten the case or I'd still be in prison. They treat minors differently, and I was sent to one of our illustrious federally funded juvie programs, one of the most corrupt and horrific in the nation.

Anyways, it was rough as fuck inside. Even for a juvie, it sucks being surrounded by some fucked up people. The only difference between these a lot kids and the 16 year olds in adult prison is that they didn't successfully murder somebody, they only intended to and couldn't succeed. Motherfucker is still in a coma, but not dead, so they stick them in there with me (a naive 14 year old kid in a situation gone horribly wrong). Some real sick fucks in there.

Anyways, getting out is the toughest part. Every day you are inside you are waiting to get out. When you get out you feel like you are still in, and like you are about to go back in at any second. This led me to not giving a fuck and going wild. I was socially anxious when I never suffered from social anxiety before, and had a lot of violent impulses that I rarely acted out on the right people. I would punch one kid in the face when something or somebody else was pissing me off. I still hate myself for that.

Everything was just so fucking scary to me. I got over it, but that was really tough. It takes time. I think it is good to be prepared to feel "institutionalized," as opposed to believing that everything will be as it was before you went in. You will get through it, but be prepared to find that the outside world looks and feels completely different when you reenter it.
 
Sepher said:
Kkat, if you don't go you'll get most likely get arrested at a time that is the worst possible for you, transported to the police station and held overnight to be presented the next morning. If they're twats they'll nick you on a saturday morning and you'll spend all weekend in a police station cell for court on monday. Trust me, you do not want to be rattling for the best part of 3 days in police cells with no time out of your cell, no visits, no cigs, evil, inedible microwaved meals.They'll have to get you a doctor if you ask for one and he'll most likely prescribe if you're already on a script, but the police are very good at 'losing' the meds the doc leaves for you. Don't do that to yourself.

Ring the court, or better yet get your solicitor to call them, and arrange a better time. They'll have specified 10am because they have to put you up at the earliest possible opportunity, and that's 10am when the court opens for that day's sessions. No problem for the court at all changing that to 2pm.

Have you decided how you're pleading yet?
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Have not yet decided how to plead
will discuss with my solicitor after this adventure
In a way it would be better for the police to pick me up and give me a ride to court and to stay in the cells
atm the plan is to make the journey(that is 7-9hrs) the day before and go back the day after
even if i got a later time i would still have to do that
i also have to try to find somewhere to stay for 2 nights down there
if i got picked up and taken by the police,maybe the court would understand how difficult this is for me
tbh-when i say i was thinking of not going,i was thinking more of 'opting out'
pls don't start plaguing me with pleas not to do this and not to do something stupid
this is not a recent decision
it is something I have been researching and planning for several years
this has just kinda pushed this option to the head of the list
 
Well, I'm not going to try and talk you out of it, but around here police are known for beating the living shit out of you if you try to do that. Even with females.

You will come out with your looks. Make sure you go in with them.

Most people seem to like their teeth exactly where they are.
 
I know that in the states the police are way tougher on you guys
you get huge sentences and the police seem to be able to do what they like with drug users with absolute impunity
I know my location doesn't make it clear,but I am female and from the UK
 
kkattastic said:
I know that in the states the police are way tougher on you guys
you get huge sentences and the police seem to be able to do what they like with drug users with absolute impunity
I know my location doesn't make it clear,but I am female and from the UK
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I know you are female (hence I referenced looks) and from the UK. I really don't know how they are up there brutality-wise, but in Florida they are insane.

The FBI held sub-machine guns to my head once for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, while they were investigating a really minor crime, and beat the shit out of everybody I was with. I'm used to brutality from that front.

The UK may be different, but make sure it is. They are famous for the billy-club, after all.


Oh, and I should have said this in my first post, but learn the fetal position while you are inside. Not for prisoners, but for guards. I would have done a lot more time than I did if I hadn't strategically used the fetal position after getting in a fight when the guards intervened. You come out without a scratch, the person you are fighting has a broken nose, but going fetal first gets them in more trouble than you. It sounds absurd, but everything inside is.
 
The longest stretch I have done is 6 months. At first, I was really depressed and felt like I was going to go crazy.

It got better. You get use to it.

Be social, eat and workout alot, play board games, draw, sleep, and watch television. Keep your mind busy.
 
molly897 said:
i dunno about over there but here they make you squat and cough to see if there is anything in your stash your brought in
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I been told that they no longer strip search-at least for women's-dunno bout the guys
you get scanned with a metal detector
so i could take something in but i really dunno if it is even worth it
 
kkattastic said:
I been told that they no longer strip search-at least for women's-dunno bout the guys
you get scanned with a metal detector
so i could take something in but i really dunno if it is even worth it
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I really think quiting before jail is the only option.. my vice is weed not as strong as heroin but still any addiction is weakness..
main reasons i want/need to/have to quit.. drugs are dirty in jail (hep ), they cost way more then on the street, get in debt and trouble with others, possibly get caught and have to do more time,
drugs are the reason we are in this mess in this first place. Hopefully by me going through treatment will show the courts that im honestly trying to change my life for the positive..

I wouldnt want to go through heroin withdrawals in a cell.. with no comforts or support.

If you're planning on continuing using for the rest of you're life you might as well run and hide somewhere and get doped up until your dead or they catch you. I really don't think this is what you want. You have two kids that no matter what you want to think need you more then ever right now. At 17 and 19 is when you are really vulnerable to outside influences.. thats when i started using drugs and changed the course of my life, It seemed so innocent at the time. Now im looking at all the opportunities i missed because i was to busy getting high and looking to make a quick buck.

Im hoping my story doesnt end with prison/jail.. Ive always been a risk taker and an adventurous person and I plan to live a wonderful life once I make it through this.
 
just completely broke down to my keyworker
i am now certain i will not get a fair trial as to get a fair trial you need to attend every hearing
i am also gonna look and smell like shit when i do attend
it is not only me that won't be attending-neither will my solicitor
i called 'release' and they said this was all true
even if the trial is supposed to be heard in the same country as the crime was committed-if you believe everything that is said of mmeI still never set foot in that country
it is just easier for the police dealing with the case-lazy fuckin plod
i am being treated as if i was guilty before even being tried
it's fucking outrageous and i have every intention of telling them on my one and only trip to court over there-i will NOT gop again regardless
just need to get this all on the record first
 
Hang in there. You just gotta believe everything happens for a reason. There's a reason everything happened. It's scary as hell I know. If we make it through all this.. I think we will be on the path to find our life's purpose. I'm still trying to figure out what that is. I know I got a lot of work ahead of me. It would be easier to stay the same way I've been. But then I'll be getting the same results.
If I don't make it through this then atleast I tried and I didn't give up. I still got shitloads of worries and fears but I am facing them and I'm gonna fight anyone or anything (physically, mentally, spirtually) that gets in my way. You can lock me up.. But you can't take away who I am. You can try to kill me but I'm going to kill you if you dont succeed. I just want another chance to do right.
 
I am diagnosed schizophrenic and should not have to travel for days and sleep rough on british streets in december
I am supposed to be entitled to a fair trial and supposed to be innocent until proven guilty
that is just not gonna happen for me
I've stopped washing and just sleep in my clothes
I'm so tired I just cannot do this shit
I seem to be pushing more and more towards opting out
i just wish it was a choice and not a necessity
trouble is nobody gives a flying fuck
 
Yah people do care.. Don't give up please.. It's time to fight. You need to give a flying fuck about yourself before you can expect other people to care.. A quote I can't remember who said it "do what is necessary, then do whats possible a and before you know it your doing the impossible"..I could be looking at 12 years or get life if I got caught with any more. Believe me it's easy to curl up into a ball and feel sorry for yourself. You still need to take care of hygiene and cleaning your house, taking care of bills etc... Looking after pets.. And put together a few plans for worst case scenarios.. My stepdaughters father was facing prison for robbing someone for Oxys and he junked out shooting up for 3 or 4 years just dredding it and self destructing, putting strain on hi
Self and family and now it turns out he doesn't have to go.. So stay positive and hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
 
So,I attended my first hearing
am a little confused as they said it would be referred to crown but the paper they gave me was to return to the same magistrates court on january 17th.
I have no intention of going there
I am collecting all the medical evidence that I can in order to either get the hearing moved to my home town or at least to get a video link
My solicitor says that I will have until at least May if I am going to jail
But right now I have until after Christmas,so that's something
My intention is not to make them think I am innocent but just to cast 'reasonable doubt'
I will do this by telling them that others use my phone (everyone I have spoken to agrees that if a friend says they have no credit and asks if they can use your phone,everyone says that they allow them to do this)
Also that others use my bank to move money(I can prove this as my bank records show money being withdrawn in another part of the country when I can prove that I am elsewhere).
Even if they then read every text(there are hundreds),they would then have to think of each text,was it definitely me that sent them?
As with the bank records-i never once signed for any withdrawal-it was all done with a PIN number which anyone could have done.
I will say that my dealer would come and take the phone and bank card then return a few hours with later and give them back to me along with payment(some gear for me).
So I a guilty in so far as I allowed my phone and bank to be used for illegal purposes and that I knew what was happening but nothing more than that.
I believe this would be my 'reasonable doubt' and that is all it would take
I will still be done for the cultivation but that was only 2 plants so unless I am very unlucky would just be a slap on the wrists.
They are not charging me with selling the weed(which is lucky).It's the class A charge that is the focus and there is no physical evidence regarding that

How is your case going,phuctup?
 
Im still waiting for disclosure.. i have court again next month. Im just in limbo,, trying to prepare for the unknown is difficult. Im losing shitloads of weight from stress. atleast 5 lbs a week and im not trying to lose weight.
Ive lost pretty much all my "friends" because of this shit. Its really difficult to figure out what Im going to do now. Ive been in this life for so long.. trying to pick a career is hard. I was only a few years away from retiring and now im going to be working for the rest of my life at some shit job.
 
Kkat, I'm no lawyer, but I think the Magistrates Court have adjourned to a later date while they prepare the Committal Proceedings, presumably because they do not have the appropriate powers to deal with the charges against you, or because you've indicated you're going for trial. They have to officially hand you off, so at your next appearance the case will be referred properly to Crown and further adjourned, and you may be asked how you're going to plead. Your solicitor should have explained this to you?

Your defence sounds almost reasonable to a layman, but I have some concerns though that you may be walking into an alternative charge of 'Being concerned in the supply of'. You can hardly claim you had no idea what any of these guys using your phone and accounts were up to if you're gonna say you got paid in kind for the use of, can you? Your solicitor and barrister will go through a reasonable doubt defence with you in some depth before you get to Crown. You need to be speaking to them, not us.

Getting the case moved is not unreasonable. Push it.
 
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kkattastic said:
A friend was sentenced today for 12 months
this has really worried me.
I am not certain as to the exact charges he faced but I know they were not as serious as mine
the judge said that he could 'give you a suspended sentence.But I won't'
I have to say though,you guys in the states get huge sentences,it seems
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They hand out years like months over here. I'm glad I got charged with my crimes as a minor.


I read an article in the Daily Business Review a couple months back about a guy that got three years for counterfeit cheese. Yes, the cheese you eat. Fucked up.
 
I went to jail for 15 days for probation violation in Florida and detoxed from Oxycodone. It was hell, but jail itself isn't that bad. Find a buddy and stick with him. If you don't feel like trying to fit in with other people/groups that are around you, then just mind your own business and keep to yourself and you'll be left alone.

Wish you the best of luck. Personally, I really hated being it jail, but I think it was a key element to helping me quit Oxy and getting clean. I don't wanna do it again, but I don't regret it either.
 
kkattastic said:
I been told that they no longer strip search-at least for women's-dunno bout the guys
you get scanned with a metal detector
so i could take something in but i really dunno if it is even worth it
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See pages 21 and 22 of 27, numbered 103 and 104 here. That's a really good site btw. Good advice on the realities of prison on there, and what you can do with your time in there. Then there's this from an insiders perspective.

My earlier advice on taking in gear stands. Not a good idea. Just prolonging the agony, and attracting agony of a different kind. Inmates aren't bound by the rules you see?

@ Dave: Yeah, sorry. :doh: Weren't tips as such, cos everyone knows how it's done, prisoners and prison authorities alike. More by way of general reply as to what kind of searches are allowed, and what to expect and what your rights are, which is all valid and public domain, but yeah, I absolutely see how my post could have been misinterpreted as a how to or a suggestion someone should. Must remember to always ensure brain is properly engaged before typing, and add appropriate qualifications! :doh: 8)

Kkat, going back to earlier point about your defence. Section 28 - Misuse of Drugs Act allows for a defence of having no knowledge, but note the shift in the burden of proof. You have to not only explain away the mobile logs and account transactions, you have to somehow prove you weren't aware that they were being used to enable the offences you're charged with as an accessory. Very, very difficult to prove that in any case I would think? The flip-side of that is the prosecution will have to prove that the phone records and money transfers were directly related to the supply of Class-As and link them in some way, and prove you had full knowledge of that.

The proof is difficult for both sides, talk to you solicitor about it, have a long hard in-detail look at the evidence CPS is presenting, see where the evidence is vague, interpretable in other ways, or open to innocent explanations.
 
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we don't have all the evidence (texts) yet
when we have them,we can discuss my story
I think I will have to say I knew what was going on but never moved any product myself
So,I don't know how they will deal with that
but the evidence we did have (mostly police statements) are full of 'we think's,'we believe's and 'we presume's.
nothing really solid so far
they say I signed for the cash withdrawals but I never did-it was all done with just a PIN number
I will have to accept the 'cultivation' charge but it was only 2 plants and they are not charging me with selling it
They are also not doing me for possession (I had just a few points of gear when they busted me).Also no charge related to the methadone or benzos,so that's a relief.I think they are just focussing on this 'concern in supply' charge,which is the biggy and there is no physical evidence to connect me to that.To the layman,it sounds promising but you know,it will all be down to the judge on the day and how much he hates drug users.They are trying to make me out as the Mr(s) big.But they can see I have no money in the bank,no car.no big tv and no cash was found at my house.
I have pretty much decided against taking anything in with me.
If I do go to jail,as I still think I will,it will be best for me to play by the rules.
As for moving the trial,I am collecting medical evidence
I appreciate all the advice as I can't really speak about this to anyone in my life just yet.
Want to give my parents a nice christmas before I drop this bombshell
 
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