PhuctUpsoBAD
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dealing with jail
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mebalzitch
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kkat, phuct- tough spot guys. my heart goes out to you both. i have a few years in the dept of corrections under my belt. i had no worries telling my family, it was front page local news, otherwise it would have been a hard phone call to make. i think your families need to know ASAP. they will need some time to process it, but the sooner they come to terms, the sooner they will be there to support you. and as impossible as it may seem to believe, once you are in, time just flows, there is no stopping that. you will actually reach the day where you are amazed it went by as fast as it did. stay strong.
kkattastic
Bluelighter
when are you due to be sentenced?
I also found out that our council will not house anyone with an 'intent to supply' charge
they will house burglars,muggers,murderers and paedophiles,but not if you have an 'intent to supply' charge
this means i will most likely have to move in with my parents when i get out
I am 40 next year and the one thing i will really need when i get out of jail and am newly clean is a safe roof over my head
i think it is terrible discrimination and if i get some time,i plan on suing them over this
I feel what you say about being depressed
I don't think i've ever felt this shitty in my entire life
PhuctUpsoBAD
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not sure exactly when probably in the new year sometime. Not knowing what im facing is one of the toughest parts. Im going crazy trying to come up with a plan to keep a roof over my girlfriend and her daughters head.
I gotta feel like there is a light at the end of all this (not death) and I can come out to something and not have to start all over as an old man. That's one of the most depressing thoughts, its one thing to be away from everyone you love but not having them when you come out is a devastating thought.
I gotta feel like there is a light at the end of all this (not death) and I can come out to something and not have to start all over as an old man. That's one of the most depressing thoughts, its one thing to be away from everyone you love but not having them when you come out is a devastating thought.
kkattastic
Bluelighter
A friend was sentenced today for 12 months
this has really worried me.
I am not certain as to the exact charges he faced but I know they were not as serious as mine
the judge said that he could 'give you a suspended sentence.But I won't'
I have to say though,you guys in the states get huge sentences,it seems
this has really worried me.
I am not certain as to the exact charges he faced but I know they were not as serious as mine
the judge said that he could 'give you a suspended sentence.But I won't'
I have to say though,you guys in the states get huge sentences,it seems
xxsicknessxx
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You only get a big sentence if you don't have money. Put it this way. I was facing 7 years if I use the court apointed attorney. My brother was facing 22 years, in prison. I got 5 months and got it down to 3months with loop holes. My brother got 3 years in a program. I did jail. I Have done time before but this was a major crime and I got off with a slap on the wirst. Why? I use my life savings up to hire a good attorney. If you got the money your fine. If you are poor or the wrong color here in America they toss the book at you.
You will find when you do time you do what you got to do to survive. I have been in jail in and out and I am good I just follow some rules.
I don't do drugs inside. Period. I don't take loans, I don't ask for favors. I mind my own shit. I don't ask questions, I don't make friends (I may be friendly but these people around you are mostly criminals that is what they are there not your friends), I don't break the rules the jail rules or the gang rules. If my color tells me to fight I fight. That you got to do. What ever race or gang you click with you follow there rules. Don't talk to the other races. That kind of BS. But I don't bring drugs in, or back down to anyone.
Get the idea? You just gotta be a man. Mind your biz, and you'll be fine. Above all else don't ask for anything, don't borrow anything! don't do drugs.
or next thing you know your owning money and if you can't pay they will find a way to get what they want. and that might be your ass.
You'll be fine. Its not a big deal. I also spent lots of time reading and in school (Anything to fill you time) also try to become a trustie and work a job in jail like cooking anything with perks. Don't just sit around thats when shit happens.
kkattastic
Bluelighter
Well,firstly I am female,so can't really 'be a man'
I think jails over here(in the UK) are very different to yours,especially women's prisons
I have been thinking as to whether I should take in any gear
I have a habit but receive methadone
I have heard that if I get a sentence over 6 months,I will be given a 21 day reduction of methadone
any less and they will keep me on my methadone script
so I am likely to have to do withdrawal in jail
my concern is that if i take any gear in with me,it will run out eventually and by then they will most likely have taken my methadone script away and I will have to do a mega rattle with no assistance
If I don't take anything in,2-3 days in when I am rattling like a motherfucker,I will be wishing I had done.
and if I take some in then I have the issue of other girls-if I don't share they may grass-if I sell any I then have to enforce the selling(make sure I am paid etc)
I know the best thing is to just go in and use the time to get clean but like any addict,I am afraid of the withdrawal
I am qualified as a chef,so I could get a job in the kitchen(which i understand is a good job)
but I would rather work in the library or post room
I am thinking that if I get a sentence of any real duration that I will do another year of my degree
then at least I get something of value from the time
I know that I don't want my family to visit
I don't want them to be subjected to a place like that and people like that
It seems to me that whenever I break the law,I seem to get caught
I am a rubbish criminal
Other addicts always seem to be talking about what crime they have done and how they 'graft' to fund their habit(I find the irony there amusing as 'grafting' is about as far from working hard as you can get)
I've never been able to do crimes like that and have always had to work to support my habit and if i have no cash then go without
so i really think i might struggle to fit in there-or that it may even change me
Missykins
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Jail is jail, whether you are a man or woman. It's all about power and humiliation.
Appreciate your concerns, but we can't give you advice on how to break the law. My advice would be not to do it. What's worse, withdrawal or another
six months?
Appreciate your concerns, but we can't give you advice on how to break the law. My advice would be not to do it. What's worse, withdrawal or another
six months?
DJ 303
Bluelighter
basically you gotta take it one day at a time and remember a few golden rules.
keep your head down and out of trouble.
remain humble and respectful, but at least ACT calm and confident.
shoulders back, chin up, avoid unecessary eye contact.
when you get provoked, stay outwardly calm. You want to aim for the attitude "i don't want any trouble, but if it comes along so be it."
if you do have to fight to defend yourself, only when the first punch has already been thrown, fight like a wildcat, unrelentless and savage until one of you backs down. even if you lose, you will gain respect.
try to get someone to send you/sneak you in tabacco and papers, they are a useful bargaining tool.
you need to be of no threat or inconvenience to anyone.
to be honest it isn't like the movies, most people just wanna get on with it and not make life any worse.
always be polite and respectful to the screws, you'll get off on good behaviour.
work out everyday, it keeps you sane.
good luck!
keep your head down and out of trouble.
remain humble and respectful, but at least ACT calm and confident.
shoulders back, chin up, avoid unecessary eye contact.
when you get provoked, stay outwardly calm. You want to aim for the attitude "i don't want any trouble, but if it comes along so be it."
if you do have to fight to defend yourself, only when the first punch has already been thrown, fight like a wildcat, unrelentless and savage until one of you backs down. even if you lose, you will gain respect.
try to get someone to send you/sneak you in tabacco and papers, they are a useful bargaining tool.
you need to be of no threat or inconvenience to anyone.
to be honest it isn't like the movies, most people just wanna get on with it and not make life any worse.
always be polite and respectful to the screws, you'll get off on good behaviour.
work out everyday, it keeps you sane.
good luck!
Sepher
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kkat, re: the methadone thing, it's 10 years since I was inside, my sister's been in more recently but still a few years back now, but IIRC a 21 day methadone detox if you've got an outside script sounds right. Heroin users tend to get a 7-10 detox on dihydrocodeine, I think they will also give Subutex if you're on an outside script for that, but it will still be a pretty rapid detox. I would do everything in my power to switch from the methadone onto some other kind of maintenance script you can detox off more rapidly if at all possible. Given you've not been charged as yet, and have an excellent chance of being bailed while the courts / probation go through the rigmarole of pre-sentence reports, etc you could well have a good number of weeks if not months if you go not-guilty and opt for trial to switch your meds to something easier to rattle off.
As far as taking gear in, if you're not noticeably rattling to some extent within a few days of going in, you may as well stick a dirty big sign on your head announcing to the wing you've got gear on you. People look for it, and if your eyes are pinned when they should be like saucers you will immediately draw attention to yourself. Mostly it will attract the attention of hangers-on and arse-lickers on fishing expeditions who should not be too hard to dismiss, but bear in mind it may also attract the attention of the less easily managed. Violence is by no means the everyday currency people might tend to imagine in prison IME, cos most just want to get their heads down and get through it as easily as possible, but being known or suspected to be in possession of anything substantial is the best way to attract it. Take enough in to get through the first night or two by all means, but I would not advise you take more than that. You're gonna have to do your rip in there at some point, may as well be sooner rather than later.
On a more positive note, you will probably find your rattle in jail is the easiest you've ever done. The simple fact that you cannot do all that much about it takes away a lot of that self-sustaining anxiety that contributes to the symptoms you'd feel on the outside, fighting the constant desire to score. I've come off IVed habits inside and traded most off my DFs away for burn some days and no way could I have contemplated a rip without meds on the out. Prison bags aren't worth buying, and probably wouldn't even sort you out, should you have enough items to buy one, or a dealer willing to tick you, unlikely though that is, and it's massively easier because of that to just crack on with it.
Anyways, having said all that I'm still optimistic about the difficulty they're having with the decision to charge you or not. If they thought they had anything solid you'd have been charged by now. I suspect they're delaying hoping to find something more to throw at you. Fingers crossed they'll not find it.
As far as taking gear in, if you're not noticeably rattling to some extent within a few days of going in, you may as well stick a dirty big sign on your head announcing to the wing you've got gear on you. People look for it, and if your eyes are pinned when they should be like saucers you will immediately draw attention to yourself. Mostly it will attract the attention of hangers-on and arse-lickers on fishing expeditions who should not be too hard to dismiss, but bear in mind it may also attract the attention of the less easily managed. Violence is by no means the everyday currency people might tend to imagine in prison IME, cos most just want to get their heads down and get through it as easily as possible, but being known or suspected to be in possession of anything substantial is the best way to attract it. Take enough in to get through the first night or two by all means, but I would not advise you take more than that. You're gonna have to do your rip in there at some point, may as well be sooner rather than later.
On a more positive note, you will probably find your rattle in jail is the easiest you've ever done. The simple fact that you cannot do all that much about it takes away a lot of that self-sustaining anxiety that contributes to the symptoms you'd feel on the outside, fighting the constant desire to score. I've come off IVed habits inside and traded most off my DFs away for burn some days and no way could I have contemplated a rip without meds on the out. Prison bags aren't worth buying, and probably wouldn't even sort you out, should you have enough items to buy one, or a dealer willing to tick you, unlikely though that is, and it's massively easier because of that to just crack on with it.
Anyways, having said all that I'm still optimistic about the difficulty they're having with the decision to charge you or not. If they thought they had anything solid you'd have been charged by now. I suspect they're delaying hoping to find something more to throw at you. Fingers crossed they'll not find it.
Warped Reality
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Well I'm not too sure if you're worried about going to Jail but all I can really say is that it's not as bad as the TV shows make it. No you're not going to get murdered by a gang, or raped by some fat dude in the shower room... I went to jail for a year because I was involved in a shooting (well, personally I didn't consider it being 'involved' but I guess what I did was illegal. A friend of mine shot at somebody outside of my school, and the security guard asked me where he was because he saw me on the camera with him while it was happening and I refused to tell him.) and I was terrified at first, but the security is so tight that if you have the slightest problem they're right behind your back when you need them. Alls I can really say is to keep your head up brother. If you go, good luck, and if you don't - congratulations.
I'm lucky I only had a year... I'm pretty sure my charge was conspiracy to attempt murder or something... The judge was incredibly hard on me because it was at school. My friend, however, is still in Jail to this day D: (Well, I guess I shouldn't even really call him a friend - after all he did get me locked up.) And on top of that I couldn't afford a Lawyer.
I'm lucky I only had a year... I'm pretty sure my charge was conspiracy to attempt murder or something... The judge was incredibly hard on me because it was at school. My friend, however, is still in Jail to this day D: (Well, I guess I shouldn't even really call him a friend - after all he did get me locked up.) And on top of that I couldn't afford a Lawyer.
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kkattastic
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Luckily,here in the UK,we have legal aid that pays for the solicitor of your choice
(well,most solicitor do legal aid work)
I called RELEASE-a nationwide drug charity and asked them to recommend a solicitor that has experience working with people with mental health issues as I am a diagnosed schizophrenic.So,I think my solicitor should be pretty good.
But so much also depends on the judge-whether he hates drug users and whether he has had a shitty day
(well,most solicitor do legal aid work)
I called RELEASE-a nationwide drug charity and asked them to recommend a solicitor that has experience working with people with mental health issues as I am a diagnosed schizophrenic.So,I think my solicitor should be pretty good.
But so much also depends on the judge-whether he hates drug users and whether he has had a shitty day
kkattastic
Bluelighter
I'm thinking now that instead of taking in gear,I might be better off taking in something that will help me with my rattle like some benzos maybe
mebalzitch
Bluelighter
I think most of the states (at least the ones i experienced) you can cut the time they sentence you to in half at the minimum.
mebalzitch
Bluelighter
Maybe instead of looking to catch a new charge, you could look at using the time for recovery/ improvement. I mean, you do you, but...
kkattastic
Bluelighter
If only I could get back on thorazine like before
You sure you aren't talking about 5 Percenters? I have never been in prison or jail, but from what I heard the 5 percenters sound like what you are talking about. Its a group that present themselves as Islamic, but have their own unique belief system. They are also very organized and professional. Lots of hip hop artists are members, WU-Tang, Nas, AZ, Busta Rhymes, Mobb Depp etc etc..
To the OP - Best of luck to you. From what I have heard, you need to be very on point to who you associate with. People will act friendly, give you something and than expect you to pay it back ten fold. Commissary is currency. Don't borrow or gamble. Carry yourself, don't snitch (except maybe if your life is at risk and you need to get into PC).
I have worked with many prisoners/ex-prisoners when I was in social work. In the womens jails in the US, Prison relationships are everything. There are girls that play the role of a male, and are looked at as men by the fem inmates. Lots of fights break out over cheating, fighting for a specific guy or girl, breakups etc. The women playing the male role fight with each other over fems and also protect their girlfriends.
Women tend to also try to recreate Prison families, complete with mom and dad, brothers and sisters. Problem is, many female inmates come from abusive and messed up family situations, so they tend to recreate those. I'd assume its similar in the UK. No matter where you are from, people are people. Just like guys in jail, be careful with who comes up to you at first. Also, I am not sure how the UK looks at it, but romantic female relationships are illegal in almost every jail/prison. Not saying you are going to get into one, but be aware that lots of women are looking for that. Especially ones that have longer bids or have been in and out frequently.
The UK jails/prisons are a better than the ones in the US, they have more of a rehabilitative goal. The US system is slowly changing towards this and specific prisons are being created for non violent drug offenders.
Also, don't take in drugs, try to get off them before you go in. If you get caught bringing drugs in, won't you end up putting yourself in a really shitty situation?
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kkattastic
Bluelighter
What you need to understand is that in the 80s, Reagan closed down many state pysch hospitals. Because of this, our mentally ill are now thrown in jail and prison. This is a terrible and fucked up situation as the jails are not meant/equipped to deal with the mentally ill. So the problem gets worse and the inmate becomes very likely to return. Overtime, this inmate becomes institutionalized and doesn't know how to function in society. In the US, many judges tend to become increasingly harsh as the person gets into trouble over and over. Things are slowly changing though, and I think this current generation is going to make some very big changes in how we punish "criminals" and how we view them. Right now, only Ohio has the goal of "rehabilitation" mandated by the state. Lots of states, including mine, are shifting towards this though. The best way to keep people from coming back is treating them and training them.
Its slowly getting better, especially for non-violent offenders. Its going to take time, but evidence is building strongly that rehabilitation and treatment are far more effective that punishment. In my state we have "drug jails" which provide lots of therapy for people in for drug related crimes.
I am not so sure. Keep in mind, many members of the Islamic faith are African Americans over here. So I am sure we have lots of African American female prisoners who have converted or came in as members of the Nation of Islam or 5 percetners.
They have created different views of Islam when compared to those over in Europe. Lots of it is tied into Black Nationalism over here. The 5 percenters are an example of this, as the view people of African origins as members of a God Body. The Nation Of Islam is another example of American Islam. People take faiths and craft them to their own experiences. In the US, we have had many famous African Americans who are also members of the Islamic faith. Overall, practitioners of American Islamic faiths tend to be better with women. For example: 5 Percenters view men as "sun" and women as "earth", that being said, Women are still viewed as subservient, but Christians often look at women the same way.
I lived in London for awhile, so I am aware of how different it is over there. The perception of Islam is different too, I remember hearing about something called the "English Defense League" that felt like Sharia Law was trying to be imposed in the UK. That made no sense to me, but the EDL is the same thing as the "Tea Party" in the US.
Sorry, I have a BS in Sociology and did lots of criminology. I just wrote this out because I enjoy studying this kind of stuff.
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Anyways, I suggest you continue to look into your options considering you are diagnoses as a Schizophrenic. I am sure you have specific rights that will require the State to ensure you get the proper medication and treatment. In the US, our States are mandated to prevent placing an inmate in any position of harm. Now obviously, they cannot always protect the inmate, but they are legally required to try too.
Again, I strongly urge you to not smuggle in drugs. If you get caught (you probably will) you will receive additional charges. Smuggling, possessing and selling drugs in jail/prison is extremely serious. In the US, you not only receive the charge, you also receive additional time for committing the crime in a federal/state institution. I am assuming it is the same over in the UK as our laws are very similar and our legal code is based on yours.
Can you get yourself into a recovery program? If you do end up being charged (they might be trying to flip your friend), it looks really really good if you are already in a program. My uncle has had a couple DUIs and has managed to avoid prison because he was in a program.
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