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dealing with jail

Warped Reality said:
I'm lucky I only had a year... I'm pretty sure my charge was conspiracy to attempt murder or something... The judge was incredibly hard on me because it was at school. My friend, however, is still in Jail to this day D: (Well, I guess I shouldn't even really call him a friend - after all he did get me locked up.)
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There is also the issue of him shooting somebody. When you do that, you tend to get some pretty long sentences, and rightfully so. I would stay far away from that guy. I don't associate with people that try to kill other people, especially if they do it in a school where even more people can be hurt. That is some very serious stuff and to be honest I am surprised you did not get a longer sentence. Hopefully you took that as a very strong lesson to figure out who you shouldn't associate with.
 
I'll answer here, Kat, seems a more sympathetic audience than geezers who only want to tell you they get the good stuff and ask how much is yours.

It's not even as simple for you as just preparing for gaol. (don't worry about the 'too rapid detox'; there's dope wherever there are drug cons.) You have to decide on a plea. The delay suggests the CPS has doubts the case meets the '50%= success chance in front of a jury' they need to proceed. While there are no formal plea bargains here as in the US, a guilty plea earns a third discount on sentence; if you change your plea, a sixth. It's up to do to second guess a jury and gamble the extra time against the chance to walk out the front door.

Tricky, even without the pre-event stress and depression. Stay clear headed and good luck.
 
Shit Kat, you really are causing yourself a hell of a lot of worry and stress without any need. You aint even been charged yet and they're taking their time to mull it over which means their case against you can't be great. Sure, you have to consider the worst case scenario, which would of course be jail time but until you know what they've got on you and they've officially charged you etc then worrying about jail right now is just counter productive. You're stressing yourself out for what might be no reason.

I know doing that is a lot easier said than done but you're just gonna end up freaking out - which would be exactly what they want! They let you stew in it, you panic, plead guilty and then their job is done for them.

Did you get my news by the way? The fuckers have had to drop the charges against me! Once I pleaded not guilty and they had to prove their case but even though they knew they had a shit case, they let it go up to that point. It's just what they do, it's all a big game (to them it is anyway). Anyway, they might drop the charges on you too, keep your chin up and fight the bastards.
 
phactor said:
I have worked with many prisoners/ex-prisoners when I was in social work. In the womens jails in the US, Prison relationships are everything. There are girls that play the role of a male, and are looked at as men by the fem inmates. Lots of fights break out over cheating, fighting for a specific guy or girl, breakups etc. The women playing the male role fight with each other over fems and also protect their girlfriends.

Women tend to also try to recreate Prison families, complete with mom and dad, brothers and sisters. Problem is, many female inmates come from abusive and messed up family situations, so they tend to recreate those. I'd assume its similar in the UK.
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Yep, it's exactly the same. We call it 'prison bent' where I live: otherwise straight women forming seemingly 'romantic' and familial relationships for the duration. Not necessarily sexual relationships, though there is that too for sure where the regime allows, but certainly intensely emotional, kinda loving relationships. My sister certainly formed strong attachments of the kind you describe inside, though she would deny they were anything other than close friendships if anyone pulled her, and would vehemently deny there was anything lesbian-ish about them. They're not seen to be lesbian like; they're just the nearest prison equivalent of straight relationships outside like you say. I think it's generally true that the atmosphere in women's nicks is charged with an emotional volatility that you just don't get in male prisons, and there's more in the way of low-level violence and pecking-order type bullying as a result.
 
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Bojangles69 said:
The gist however is to always be on top of your mood because behind the wall you get depressed, people around you are depressed, and that is what leads to shit most of the time.
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Yup.

Keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut. Maintain good posture and respect. You'll learn everything you need to know if you shut up and listen.
 
Don't break the rules in jail its not worth it. I have done enough time to know there are the people who want to be cozy in jail or the people who would rather just do there time and get back to real life. Just do your time. Drugs in jail is stupid and your not going to enjoy it truthfully. When you get involved in drugs inside jail often times you find your self doing things you wouldn't other wise, getting bad shit (real bad), owning debts, getting WD bad.

However don't worry about your habit. Its jail. You ain't got a choice. If I were you get sober before you go. Or do what I did. Do a 8day run on stims before you go in so you can sleep your first week in bed. Worked out for me lol. Get ya though any dope sickness. Though methadone is a long kick for sure.

Whatever you will be fine. Jail is jail its not the end of the world. Just I swear to you don't break the law inside. You don't want to get used to jail and some people do. Jail or prison changes you. One way or the other it will effect you for ever trust me. Just do your time stay to your self, be cool. Trust me. Or your next post will be im going to jail again.
 
well,I answer bail again tomorrow and expect to get charged
can't even have a nice,calming smoke before I go as things are so shitty round here atm
 
Khat.. I got court tomorrow. I'm still not sure what I'm facing. My parents are devastated by this news. Telling then was very difficult. They feel like they raised me wrong but I assured them this is my responsibility. When this first happened I was thinking about avoiding the whole thing by killing myself. But I realized that's what the pigs and society wants me to do so they can point a finger and say look at him you don't want to be like me! But I'm going to deal with whatever they throw at me. You can't break me. You can throw anything at me, I'm going to fight. I'm going to come out strong, faster, and smarter.
It's not easy khatt but if you embrace your own death then there's nothing to fear in life. The only thing to fear is fear itself.
Good luck and I no matter what happens to you remember: "don't let the bastards get you Down!"
 
I'm thinking that cos all they have is texts and bank records,maybe I can say that the dealer would get the money from the bank and send the gear-i just put them in touch
cos there is no physical evidence to link us-to the best of my knowledge-then they have to prove that it was me who sent it
maybe I'm clutching at straws
I will still get done for the 2 plants i had at my house when they came and maybe for selling some weed
but again there is just weed at the house and texts

oh and good luck in court
I know the sentences in the US seem huge compared to ours
I have no knowledge of the Canadian legal system at all
let us know how you get on
 
Just gopt back from the cops
I have been charged with supply of heroin and cultivation of weed
the biggest worry for me right now is that I have to appear on 6 dec at lowestoft magistrates at 10am
it is impossible for me to get to lowestoft for 10am
the journey is 7-9hrs depending on what mode of transport you use
it is also likely to cost me £100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the only thing i can think to do now is to miss the court date so the police will pick me up and take me there
I'll talk to my solicitor about it tomorrow
 
Hey kkat, that's rubbish! Really sorry to hear that and especially that you have to travel so far, that is the last thing you need.. talking to your solicitor sounds like a really good idea. Let us know how it goes..
 
Khatt, whatever you do don't miss court to get a free ride. It'll just give you another charge. Im facing 8 charges from cultivation, proceeds of crime, 3 counts of possession for the purpose of trafficking cocaine, marijuana, hash oil, oxycodone, resisting arrest, and a breach..
I really fucked up.. I've started drug treatment on my own time I really don't want to live this life anymore. Khatt maybe you can start the drug treatment process as well. Drugs have always been a way I've dealt with my problems. Im still not sure at what I'm facing.. Lawyer said could be no conviction to 2 or 3 years in federal prison. Of course when I got arrested the cops said 12 to 15 years. Who knows what to believe? Lawyers don't give a fuck about anything but money obviously that's why they work their asses off! It ain't cuz they have a passion about keeping guys like me out of jail. The lawyer did say if I get in anymore trouble I'll be looking at Life!

I got no violence or guns with my charges.. No gang or organized crime affiliations.

Its not easy to focus on the positive from all this because I'm not sure what I'm
Looking at for a punishment. I jus keep thinking the books flying at me and the key is getting thrown the other way.

Khatt.. I wish you luck. Please pray for me as Im praying for you. :-)
 
I have been in and out of treatment for the past 15yrs
I am currently 2 yrs into a treatment program so that's all in place
to add to it-the cops took 600ml of my methadone when they busted me-all with my name on it
I am praying damned hard but nothing seems to be happening
 
Khatt, If anyone knows how you're feeling it's me. Ive never been through so much stress and anxiety.
I have many worries about losing everything.
Im trying my best to stay positive for myself and everyone around me. But it's really hard. There's no avoiding or running away from this. Im in a very dark place and I'm really depressed about my life.
I've disappointed my family to the point they are heart broken.
Im trying to see how ill get out of
All this alive and it seems hopeless. Im praying for a Miracle.
 
I think your lawyer will obviously be doing this - but I really think you should try to push for a DRR of some sort, perhaps residential rehab.

If you do end up going to prison - see if you could go on the RAPT program? http://www.rapt.org.uk
 
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to be totally honest i kinda decided not to go
it's a 400mile round trip and i'm just too fucking tired to do it
 
I understand not having the energy to do things. Trust me I do.
Hopefully you won't get in trouble for missing it.
I know all the choices I made are what led me to where am I and the consequences are my own responsibility.
Most of my life I've used food or drugs to escape and avoid my problems.
Now even when I smoke weed.. I'm getting panic attacks and anxiety. It's making all my problems worse because they race through my mind. I need to learn how to deal with my problems in a healthy way.
I still don't know what I'm facing and a big worry is even after Im convicted or whatever.. I'm Not going to be able to get a descent job with a criminal record. I'll be in my 40s by the time I can get pardoned.
I really want to change, prison is a Criminals university they say. It just seems like the system is setup to not rehabilitate me but to make me a better criminal.. What Other purpose does locking me up for years and give me no way for me support myself or family for 7 years after I'm released?
The system doesn't want me to become a normal citizen. The system is designed to keep me in it.
All I can do is kill myself, or go to jail and come out and work at mcdonalds for 7 years.
Or I can go back to selling drugs.
 
Khatt, I guess I can't send private msgs. Because Im not a bluelighter yet.
Without going into too much detail.. I think whatever you decide to do.. Make the best life possible for yourself.
Might help to think about all the people and things your grateful for.
Im looking for relief from all this.
 
kkattastic said:
to be totally honest i kinda decided not to go
it's a 400mile round trip and i'm just too fucking tired to do it
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Kkat, if you don't go you'll get most likely get arrested at a time that is the worst possible for you, transported to the police station and held overnight to be presented the next morning. If they're twats they'll nick you on a saturday morning and you'll spend all weekend in a police station cell for court on monday. Trust me, you do not want to be rattling for the best part of 3 days in police cells with no time out of your cell, no visits, no cigs, evil, inedible microwaved meals.They'll have to get you a doctor if you ask for one and he'll most likely prescribe if you're already on a script, but the police are very good at 'losing' the meds the doc leaves for you. Don't do that to yourself.

Ring the court, or better yet get your solicitor to call them, and arrange a better time. They'll have specified 10am because they have to put you up at the earliest possible opportunity, and that's 10am when the court opens for that day's sessions. No problem for the court at all changing that to 2pm.

Have you decided how you're pleading yet?
 
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