Dabbling for good physical and mental health - tweeking advise needed

Genetic Freak said:
You don't need Arimidex on TRT.... Estrogen is an essential hormone, your body needs it just as much as it needs testosterone.. You don't knock out estrogen on TRT therapy...

Just to clarify: Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor, some of the bodys' testosterone is aromatized to estrogen (that is how the body makes estrogen, from testosterone) an aromatase inhibitor (like Arimidex) binds the aromatase enzyme (stops the production of estrogen)..... You don't want to knock out estrogen production, you need it..!!!

The jury isn't out, you don't need it ...... End Of..!!!
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No discussing it. No need for arimidex
 
semper48 said:
Would an aromatase inhibitor then totally block out all estrogen? Is it not possible to dose the AI so that the estrogen aromatization is minimized/kept a little lower? I understand a body needs (some) estrogen, and no estrogen is really bad for heart/"good" cholesterol production.

Really appreciate all the input.
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Arimidex isn't the best AI to use if you had a preference, Aromasin is.. With all AI's their actions are dose dependant... Why do you think you need an AI..?

You are contemplation TRT dose IE: replicating NORMAL TESTOSTERONE LEVELS, nobody with normal test levels needs an AI.. With normal test levels your body should aromatize normal levels of estrogen... Reducing estrogen below normal levels is not good for your body... You don't need to introduce female cancer meds' into your body to leave yourself deficient in estrogen...

Please explain why you believe you need Arimidex...?
 
nolys said:
I find it pretty fucking stupid the way the y dose people for TRT in the states, can't they just teach people to do their own bi or even single weekly injections? Saves on costs from all angles, travel expenses, administration, doctor fees... And obviously keeps blood levels more stable...
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There's several lads over here in NZ having this very same argument with their doctors or endo's, I've spent months sending one guy's GP everything I know on Steroid ester release times, injection site bioavailability, compounded half-life protocol etc.. And he's put him on single high dose once every 3 weeks.. I give up..!!
 
lol Makes you really wonder about most of academia, I mean these people are still teaching Columbus Discovered America! You really think they are going to teach proper hormone usage, personally I don't think they can teach you much of any thing, a library card and a pot of coffee can't.
 
Genetic Freak said:
Arimidex isn't the best AI to use if you had a preference, Aromasin is.. With all AI's their actions are dose dependant... Why do you think you need an AI..?

You are contemplation TRT dose IE: replicating NORMAL TESTOSTERONE LEVELS, nobody with normal test levels needs an AI.. With normal test levels your body should aromatize normal levels of estrogen... Reducing estrogen below normal levels is not good for your body... You don't need to introduce female cancer meds' into your body to leave yourself deficient in estrogen...

Please explain why you believe you need Arimidex...?
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I giving to understand that by upping the test level (to norm) the estrogen aromatization will automatically adjust itself accordingly, to a normal and optimal level for the body. This being the case, your advice of biweekly pinning to normal test levels and do nothing else is really solid and an argument in other directions seems futile. Gyno is also not an issue either, as levels are normal. My AI contemplations are to lose bodyweight, go down a few inches in waist size. taking 1/4 of a pill (Aromasin rather than Arimidex (cant get Arimidex anyway)) EOD didnt seem like a very big deal, with some very attractive benefits. I was thinking the est levels would be too high (and even causing gyno?) so it would be pertinent anyway to keep the est levels under control. BUT as is being said here in a very compelling manner, the by up the test to norm, the aromatization will be norm levels too, and at levels that are needed. So no trying to fix something that aint broke. Got it.
 
Neoprimitive said:
lol Makes you really wonder about most of academia, I mean these people are still teaching Columbus Discovered America! You really think they are going to teach proper hormone usage, personally I don't think they can teach you much of any thing, a library card and a pot of coffee can't.
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haha
 
Genetic Freak said:
There's several lads over here in NZ having this very same argument with their doctors or endo's, I've spent months sending one guy's GP everything I know on Steroid ester release times, injection site bioavailability, compounded half-life protocol etc.. And he's put him on single high dose once every 3 weeks.. I give up..!!
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Are they giving him enan or cyp?
Or is he at least getting a slightly longer ester like decanoate?
 
nolys said:
Are they giving him enan or cyp?
Or is he at least getting a slightly longer ester like decanoate?
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Pfizer Depot Cypionate 100mg/ml is Med-safe approved in NZ.... On prescription $5 per 2 X 10ml vials... kinda cheap if you can get subsidy..

The half-life difference between Enanthate, Cypionate, or Decanoate is slight.. something like 3-4 days for Enanthate, maybe 6 days (or less) for Cyp' and about 6-7 for Decanoate.. Any estered test starts to hit the blood stream after only a few hours, until a peak at about 24 hrs, the only difference is the time it takes hydrolase & esterase to cleave the ester from 17 beta-hydroxyl position of the D ring... IE: its half-life......

Any estered testosterone should be injected at least equal to its half-life, or more preferably twice per half-life to achieve stable blood plasma concentrations, and to avoid harsh peaks and troughs that can be responsible for side effects via aromatase & 5-alpha reductase...

So even at a 6-7 day half-life, decanoate would have to be injected every 6-7 days...`Not 3-4 weeks.. Not even every 2 weeks...!!
 
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Genetic Freak said:
You don't need Arimidex on TRT.... Estrogen is an essential hormone, your body needs it just as much as it needs testosterone.. You don't knock out estrogen on TRT therapy...

Just to clarify: Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor, some of the bodys' testosterone is aromatized to estrogen (that is how the body makes estrogen, from testosterone) an aromatase inhibitor (like Arimidex) binds the aromatase enzyme (stops the production of estrogen)..... You don't want to knock out estrogen production, you need it..!!!

The jury isn't out, you don't need it ...... End Of..!!!
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I dont want to be argumentative, but I have to ask. If the body aromatizes (automatically) in right proportions, and we need all the estrogen; why is there (sometimes) the risk of gyno? What has gone wrong there?
 
semper48 said:
I am sold on the idea of dropping the Dbol. Giving it up NOW. Will keep on the gel for time being (until I score some good test), might up the dose from 5 to 10 mg (if Dbol discontinuation is rough, which I dont really anticipate). The way I am feeling and my energy levels being up the way they are now, I am really happy with the situation as is. Even going to the gym and pumping, which I havent done in ages! Will post what Dbol discontinuation does for me. Time frame for comedown?
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Ok, have discontinues Dbol. No mayor comedown or depression. Not quite as chirpy and happy as before, but not hitting a wall of doom and gloom either. Still just using 5 mg Androgel. Needing to address some other physical problems atm, taking all my time and concentration
 
Genetic Freak said:
Pfizer Depot Cypionate 100mg/ml is Med-safe approved in NZ.... On prescription $5 per 2 X 10ml vials... kinda cheap if you can get subsidy..

The half-life differeince between Enanthate, Cypionate, or Decanoate is slight.. something like 3-4 days for Enanthate, maybe 6 days (or less) for Cyp' and about 6-7 for Decanoate.. Any estered test starts to hit the blood stream after only a few hours, until a peak at about 24 hrs, the only difference is the time it takes hydrolase & esterase to cleave the ester from 17 beta-hydroxyl position of the D ring... IE: its half-life......

Any estered testosterone should be injected at least equal to its half-life, or more preferably twice per half-life to achieve stable blood plasma concentrations, and to avoid harsh peaks and troughs that can be responsible for side effects via aromatase & 5-alpha reductase...

So even at a 6-7 day half-life, decanoate would have to be injected every 6-7 days...`Not 3-4 weeks.. Not even every 2 weeks...!!
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Was wondering if they were adding insult to injury by going with the even shorter esters, not so much that decanoate is ok e2w.
My t400 is 200c 200d and I still insist on bi weekly injections.

On a side note, out of interest, does anybody who takes dbol take slightly more before working out than any of the other points of the day? I on 40mg dose 10mg twice then 20 before working out... I know it makes no difference it's just a quirk I have when dosing... Bit of a psychological boost...
 
nolys said:
Was wondering if they were adding insult to injury by going with the even shorter esters, not so much that decanoate is ok e2w.
My t400 is 200c 200d and I still insist on bi weekly injections.

On a side note, out of interest, does anybody who takes dbol take slightly more before working out than any of the other points of the day? I on 40mg dose 10mg twice then 20 before working out... I know it makes no difference it's just a quirk I have when dosing... Bit of a psychological boost...
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I believe that you get a better pump from it. So it's great to take pwo. GF, feel free to argue with me about this.
 
Its not really a bad idea, as the larger dose will cause a significantly larger increase of intracellular water, over your other doses, there by making in a marked difference in your ability to contract, and flex the muscle with less damage, as well as increasing the flow of nutrients into the tissue by dragging the water in there. Also increasing the pump and expanding the fascia so at the very ;east you get a great pump that day ^-^ at the best it helps you train hard and a lil heavy leading to a solid growth process.
 
nolys said:
Was wondering if they were adding insult to injury by going with the even shorter esters, not so much that decanoate is ok e2w.
My t400 is 200c 200d and I still insist on bi weekly injections.

On a side note, out of interest, does anybody who takes dbol take slightly more before working out than any of the other points of the day? I on 40mg dose 10mg twice then 20 before working out... I know it makes no difference it's just a quirk I have when dosing... Bit of a psychological boost...
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Yep..... Its my pre-workout...!!!
 
The dbol pump pisses me off sometimes, it actually restricts my workout...I end up too pumped restricting my movements and for some reason fatigued... The strength gains and weight gain is brilliant and the start of my workout also but after about 3 different exersizrs I'm fucked. Especially true for biceps and shoulders...
 
It gets there, on certain days you can get a problem with restrictions from limiting a work out lie when you can't get a proper rep out because your biceps are inflated like balloons I get it really with central back pumps and blown up deltoids and you still have tbar rows to go lol. Nolys how have you been mate?
 
Been ok at the moment, dealing with a depressed severely girlfriend because she's living by herself in a hostel (to get a council house off the govt) and she's not near any family and has problems being alone due to her past... Apart from that I'm good lol.

Looking forward to the birth of my son...

How are you?
 
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