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Current LSD Dicussion Mk6

you really dont think it goes any deeper than lsdislsd?
have you ever done lsd? just kidding obviously.
there is obvious differences in mxe batches
there is an obvious difference between synthesized mdmaandmdma made from sass oil
there is a difference between dmt from mimosa and acacia
why would our lovley lady be so shallow?

im not trying to say its different or gives you a better high, i just know id rather have some fluff than lavander.
they both give me relatively the same visuals and stuff, just a little diffrent mind space and energy.


sorry im high and this isnt really the right place for this.
 
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Shambles said:
Of course there's different purities (different recipies is slightly different cos LSD is LSD and really shouldn't make a difference as long as what is produced is LSD). The problem is that dealers lie a lot which makes the 'brand names' utterly meaningless unless you literally know the cook personally.
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Yeah, to be honest I think your able to word this better than I can. And the bit I bold is exactly nail on head and I feel that if it's a cook, they are a chemist and they don't do fancy names they do science so is it not about purity...percentages...mathematics. Not some fairy tale name.
 
At the same time...this is the acid thread? whats about and peoples opinion? summer/festie season :D Sniffed some microdots there the other day on a 2 day lysergimide tekno with some London Liberator/suf acid filled fun to curb the curiosity of sniffing lsd bioavailability etc. For a start they were annoying to crush cause they are wee tiny things, actually dropped one on the carpet (red star dot days story from another BL related at the time). Was the last I had from a while back...same sort've hit faster onset maybe? Get these orange ones plugged and report back!

Had actually wondered what it was like to rail for years, but dots are really only real way to do it.
 
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dan k said:
you really dont think it goes any deeper than lsdislsd?
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Theoretically no it shouldn't. In reality there are obviously more competent cooks than others. That's really all it comes down to - how good is the chemist. The rest is dealer bullshit. Richard Kemp's (black market) acid was actually purer than Sandoz' - Sandoz tested it and said so themselves. There's no reason for LSD to be shitty purity unless made by a less competent chemist. The same applies in every other case you mentioned as it does for any chemical.
 
forgot to say conclusion is it's pretty much more hassle than worth, but those 200ug dots sound like they've be fun to try with, I'm more interested in seeing if the sniffing avoids stomach absorption so there is less chance of a nausea effect or vomiting. But at same time a lot can be down to setting and mindset it doesn't affect nausea causing receptors as far as I know but I deffo find liquid sublinguial and blotter kept in the mouth better.

richard kemp and the rainbodigo children think over years it all gets improved and refined so no doubt, sandoz while "pharma grade" was some of the first, good 60 years on + we are here, i'm sure the recipes are improved.

free bobby microdot
 
As far as I can remember no Shiva blotters have ever reached the potency of 200µg. But maybe you're the lucky one. Let us know after experiencing it and try to upload a picture as well if you can.
I've also heard that the new microdots out were not very strong. Can anybody confirm ?
 
gavin 2010 said:
Hi all I currently have Shiva and sunrays blotters both 200ug iI will try and put some pics up but not sure how to on my mobile ?
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Theres some shiva's going around that are DOC, not LSD so be careful, They have a vivid blue background and are pictured a few pages back on this thread.
 
I think it's more a case of strength than purity - proper good LSD shouldn't be racemic as it's only the d- isomer (I think?) that's active.. but it takes effort and equipment to get rid of the inactive isomers so apparently the lesser chemists don't always do this and thus produce an inferior product. Other than that, I agree that LSD is LSD..
 
That would make sense and rings a bell with me too. I'd still put that under the banner of competency of the cook cos caring about the final product is part of being truly competent. Otherwise you're just knocking it out and probably have less care and interest in making it to as high a standard as possible. To use a weed analogy, you can grow the finest weed in the world but if you don't bother to cure it properly it'll be shite anyway.
 
some great liquid about, had 2 drops a few weeks ago and was happily away with the fairies, prob about 75ug estimate per drop id say, bit of upset stomach at start but passed in 15 minutes after the come-up but besides that quite clean, no back or muscle tension which i used to get a fair bit on the ganesha print from yonks back
 
Can someone with a better knowledge of chemistry care to explain why if it's possible for there to be high-quality, "pure" LSD as well as LSD + impurities resulting in a less "clean" feeling, just like you get with practically everything else, why then that the names thrown around for varying qualities of LSD (needlepoint, lavender etc) mean nothing? Seems reasonable to me that higher quality (minimal or no impurities left in the final product) would feel "cleaner" than lower quality. This applies for other drugs so why wouldn't it apply for LSD?

Anyway, I had some Saint Albert's this weekend, supposedly 110ug "needlepoint" and they were lovely. Really clean feeling, minimal body load, clear headspace and lovely visuals. Took two at a Parliament-Funkadelic show and was completely blown away. Awesome show, awesome vibes.
 
I'm not a chemist, nor even able to guess at what a chemist's answer might be, but I do know that any residual impurities would have to be several times the potency of LSD in order for them to have any effect whatsoever. If you had a blotter that supposedly held 100 micrograms of 75% pure LSD (and nothing else), then the impurity / impurities would need to be active at <25 micrograms in order to have a discernible effect on the trip.

There aren't too many chemicals active at doses of under 25 micrograms. Placebomine, however, is highly active at doses of 0mg. So draw your own conclusions.

As stated above, it's possible for 'LSD' to not be LSD, kinda:

swampdragon said:
I think it's more a case of strength than purity - proper good LSD shouldn't be racemic as it's only the d- isomer (I think?) that's active.. but it takes effort and equipment to get rid of the inactive isomers so apparently the lesser chemists don't always do this and thus produce an inferior product. Other than that, I agree that LSD is LSD..
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But other than that? Set, setting and dealer bullshit.
 
Makes sense, but based on experience some acid seems to be harder on the body than others, harder on the mind etc. Can this variation between experiences be entirely down to set and setting? Even the physical differences? Doesn't really add up to me but if the chemistry says it's so I suppose it is.
 
If there's a plausible explanation other than set and setting, then I'm open to hearing about it. I'm not going to dismiss people's subjective experiences out of hand and say there's no substance in their claims whatsoever.

What I can say is that my own experience has led me to believe that set and setting are all important. I've had doses from the same sheet which didn't even seem like they were the same drug, let alone the same purity or strength. That's just my take on it though - not saying it's set in stone.
 
Sammy G said:
I've had doses from the same sheet which didn't even seem like they were the same drug, let alone the same purity or strength.
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Yeah, true, that. My last LSD trip was pretty special and the only difference there would be set/setting as I've had plenty from that same sheet.

Actually, I know a few folks that allegedly make the stuff so I might ask them. (And no, I don't have access to their wares so don't bother asking..)
 
It's interesting then, because I've had trip in settings that are considered "ideal" and felt uncomfortable, then had trips in some far-from-ideal situations and dealt with it fine. The subjective effects are so volatile it seems, it almost feels totally out of your control as to how you're going to feel once you take the stuff. I'm just not even going to think about it from now on...
 
swampdragon said:
Yeah, true, that. My last LSD trip was pretty special and the only difference there would be set/setting as I've had plenty from that same sheet.
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Was a beautiful ideal set and setting. after that i dont think i'll ever try it in the evening/night
 
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