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Comedowns, Serotonin Syndrome and MDMA abuse (plus problems after use)

Have you thought about Citalopram instead? MDMA injures serotonin nerve terminals among other things.. Also you would gain tolerance pretty quick and or deplete your vesicular serotonin which is a big source of neurotoxicity and that's why consecutive binge use is the worst. When sertotonin is depleted your brain takes harmful things up into the serotonin nerve terminal and then they damage that part of the brain cell. In some areas these parts of the brain cells don't grow back.
 
NO...do not substitute MDMA as a benzo...use a benzo, or try valerian root or meditate. Curious where this came from outside the PTSD/depression/anxiety issues...but this is not the same pharmacological topic. If those are the issues, use it as MDMA for treating your issues, not as a Valium.
 
All of the comparison drugs in a passage in Ecstasy: The Complete Guide are used on a daily basis...

With these actions, MDMA is essentially a combination of the effects of fluoxetine (Prozac), the serotonin reuptake inhibitor and antidepressant; fenfluramine (Pondamin), the serotonin releaser (and the “fen” in “fen-phen”); and amphetamine, a dopamine releaser. Additionally, MDMA can directly interact with receptors in a variety of neurotransmitter systems and can act as a monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitor.
 
red22 said:
All of the comparison drugs in a passage in Ecstasy: The Complete Guide are used on a daily basis...
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Yeah, but it doesnt mean MDMA can be used that way.
Rarely do so many people agree with each other in discussions on bluelight, as they do in response to this thread.
There are some good responses here, MDMA is a useful tool when administered sensibly.

Frequent microdoses aren't used therapeutically or recreationally because of the nature and action of the drug.
 
red22 said:
All of the comparison drugs in a passage in Ecstasy: The Complete Guide are used on a daily basis...

With these actions, MDMA is essentially a combination of the effects of fluoxetine (Prozac), the serotonin reuptake inhibitor and antidepressant; fenfluramine (Pondamin), the serotonin releaser (and the “fen” in “fen-phen”); and amphetamine, a dopamine releaser. Additionally, MDMA can directly interact with receptors in a variety of neurotransmitter systems and can act as a monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitor.
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No where does it talk about daily use...would you like me to quote the PIHKAL?
 
spacejunk said:
Yeah, but it doesnt mean MDMA can be used that way.
Rarely do so many people agree with each other in discussions on bluelight, as they do in response to this thread.
There are some good responses here, MDMA is a useful tool when administered sensibly.

Frequent microdoses aren't used therapeutically or recreationally because of the nature and action of the drug.
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Well we have one report by someone on the previous page of a girl who uses it that way without any apparent problems:

I actually dated a chick for a little while who would take multiple small amounts of MDMA throughout the day, every day... similar to what you're describing. But I attribute her daily usage to an addiction (is molly even addictive? wtf right?) rather than an honest attempt at self medicating. She actually seemed pretty put together and you would never guess that she's on MDMA all the time. She seemed really normal to me. But I guess she was using really small amounts all day. I'm sure it's a bad idea, but honestly after my experiences with benzo's and helping my girlfriend with her taper, I'm becoming really jaded toward benzo's and I'd be curious as well if there's any merit in this approach.


@Mazzab, can you read?
 
If you're determined to take a vague, second-hand observation (from a poster who has apparently since left the site in a rage) of someone who "seemed really normal" when "I guess she was using really small amounts all day" - over dozens of intelligent, informed reasons why this wouldn't work, and isn't a good idea...well, that's up to you.
But it's a stretch, to put it mildly.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with this? MDMA doesn't have any benzo-like properties - not at all.
It primarily affects serotonin, not GABA receptors.
 
red22 said:
Well we have one report by someone on the previous page of a girl who uses it that way without any apparent problems:

I actually dated a chick for a little while who would take multiple small amounts of MDMA throughout the day, every day... similar to what you're describing. But I attribute her daily usage to an addiction (is molly even addictive? wtf right?) rather than an honest attempt at self medicating. She actually seemed pretty put together and you would never guess that she's on MDMA all the time. She seemed really normal to me. But I guess she was using really small amounts all day. I'm sure it's a bad idea, but honestly after my experiences with benzo's and helping my girlfriend with her taper, I'm becoming really jaded toward benzo's and I'd be curious as well if there's any merit in this approach.


@Mazzab, can you read?
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I can read very well. I don't appreciate your attitude, so I'm done trying to give you harm reduction information.
 
It really isn't very technical to suggest that empathogen amphetamines shouldn't/can't be used as minor tranquillisers, but i'm not interested in arguing with you.
 
They do provide tranquility though... They're renowned for that.

There's even a GABAergic drug that was named after MDMA: GHB or liquid ecstasy! So there...
 
red22 said:
They do provide tranquility though... They're renowned for that.

There's even a GABAergic drug that was named after MDMA: GHB or liquid ecstasy! So there...
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That has nothing to do with it being a tranquillizer, it has to do with the fact that ecstasy is hugely popular and they're using the name as a marketing term to increase sales to gullible people. Nothing further to add, everyone else is right on the money, MDMA can't be used the same as benzos, it will come back to kick you in the ass sooner or later
 
"I don't think MDMA can be compared to those other "comparison drugs" because those other drugs haven't been shown to be neurotoxic, although fenfluramine is very cardio toxic because it shares 5HT2B stimulation just like MDMA. Honestly the cardio toxicity of long term subliminal MDMA use could be bad... 30% of young adult mdma abusers had valvulopathy in one study.

idk why you wouldn't just take Citalopram."
 
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I apologize cotcha, I accidentally put my post in your post. Stupid phone. -_-

Anyway, we get that you have your strong beliefs about this, but I have already explained for this topic to be kept in that thread. I'll be moving it over there later.

Don't you think those types of study are pretty biased, wouldn't you say? I mean, it's not hard to look up this kind of information for ourselves, and what you're doing is mostly theorizing through the work of other scientists who were trying to prove something. For example, that type of sample is skewed because the 30% of people in That study needed valvulopathy, not 30% of ALL users. And those people were probably studied because they came in worried about heart problems. Of course, mdma has the potential to be very bad for "susceptible" users, and I've used that exact word when stating that it can be bad for some. I've been consistent with that ever since I first came here, which can be checked...but anyway, it's essentially bad for you like some stimulants are, and basically NO drug is good for anyone when it is abused.

I don't need to justify anything for myself, especially because I've taken long breaks for a reason, and it was a long time ago.

But so far, nothing I've read has convinced me one way or another (whether mdma is actually neurotoxic or not, to the point where it becomes agreed upon by all researchers) and that's pretty much why. It's a fact that there are conflicting reports, and I don't think that's arguable.

I mean, are we here to talk about this for how many years over BL, (albeit different people and different users) or trying to prove a point? There are SO many threads that have dealt with this subject over and over. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but try not to stuff it down the OP's throat and let him believe what he wants. I think that should be the standard here. =/

Honestly, I remember the posts from Black and JWills, and I would trust what they have said because they have also been the ones dealing with the same subject (over and over). Let's drop it, guys. This topic is a disruption.

Edit: You can talk about it in here though.
 
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Sorry for the late reply. It happens the entire time. It's only when I'm sober do I not feel tired anymore.
 
sleepyrollher said:
I'm not sure if I'm getting pure MDMA but my group of friends take the same press and while taking the entire pill (I only take 1/2 at a time) and are super energetic.
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Personal neurology also plays a part in this. Not everyone reacts to MDMA the same. I don't want to do anything more than roll around on the floor when I roll, but everyone else in this world seems to want to dance like a maniac when they roll.
 
Molly help

I am not expirienced with molly nor have I ever taken Molly, but I had a few questions to be safe.
1) Are the side effects really as bad as they have been told to be? (depression, confusion, grinding teeth, etc.)
2) Is Molly MDMA powder in a capsule or is it a plain MDMA (Ecstasy) pill (making it Ecstasy)?
3) Is there a specific dosage for first time?
4) Is it still fun if you aren't at a rave or concert?
5) Can taking MOlly many times make you mentally disabled?
Thanks sorry for all the questions
 
1) The come down is pretty shit. You can get from anywhere between: Paranoia, depression, anxiety. You will be exhausted because your serotonin levels will be depleted. you can go to a pharmacy and ask for something called 5htp, that will increase your serotonin production.
2) Molly is just MDMA if you buy powder and know for certain its only MDMA which is unlikely then Molly. Same with pills but they are almost always cut with something else. Speed, caffeine. Fuck knows what.
3)Its up to you how much you dose first time, there are reports of people over dosing off like 2 pills. My first time i ate 3 and it was pretty magical and intense, but 1 will do the job...
4)Its fun no matter what.. Life feels like a massive adventure and everyone's your best friend, music makes you dance uncontrollably, just headphones and some open field would be one of the best times of your life..
5) Yes amphetamines abuse will damage your brain. It can lead to anxiety, depression. You gotta be in control because it will eventually fuck you up.
 
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