Codeine & CWE Megathread: Version II - [insert witty title]

[spacejunk]

^ maybe you're doing it wrong

 

[bobbydarren]

I really haven't done PST in a while now. Probably a year or so. Is it even worth it still with the "normal" brand found in your everyday Aussie supermarket? They look grey as shit, and I remember a few years back when they looked like that, they simply didn't work :/

Yeah I agree. It's garbage and expensive. I have only had 1 good result from PST. it had the Batch number 5112. So I thought cool, I"ll go buy a heap of BN 5112's. Believe it or not they did fuck all , so for some reason not all BN's contain teh same seeds, so It's not even possible to tell a good BN from a bad BN, because from my experience BN's of the same number can contain completely different seeds.

Codeine is always reliable, as long as I limit myself to twice a week maximum. It works out much cheaper too.

 

[Stato]

Do you take the phenergan before or after you've drunk your codeine?

I've always believed it must be taken after as it inhibits the conversion to morphine, however every now and again I've seen people say they take it beforehand and still get good effects.

30mins before hand usually.

Once or twice I'll even put it in the mix and let it dissolve (after it's all filtered of course!)

No noticeable difference.

I've also found under 200mg codeine (just enough for a buzz, say a 15 pack of 12.8mg) is fine without any antihistamines, no itching at all.

 

[Sublimit]

Hey fellas, umm not going to start a new thread in ADD for something as insignificant as this, but i'd thought i'd shoot here anyhow....

So I've been clean for 5 months or so with the exception of a couple of dozen handfuls of Pplus extractions(400-800mg), anyway it had been a month since my last, which i find quite difficult to WD from ever since i used Ibogaine... like sort of hypersensitive to even a small amount of codeine in terms of WD. So anyway i had to deal with starting my old job for the first time in a long time, which can get physical as it's a trade, and also the anxiety of another follow up blood test for hep c the same week. So last sunday i had to work and was feeling a bit hungover from the night before, so i thought it be a good idea to go to McDonald's and ask for 2 medium cups of water so i could do some on site extracting. also bought a pair of boxer shorts and paper towel to boot )) So the job we were on is basically surrounded by 5 chemists.

And so on monday i went and got another 2 medium cups of water right on morning tea break and 400mg later i'd be fine until the next day... rinse and repeat. Got negative results on tuesday but despite the great feeling of relief i just felt obligated to do 400mg in the morning again. wasn't even feeling that bad tbh. Well i have today off, and have a full weekend booked full of anticipated fun so i'm in a bit of a dilemma... Obviously i'm not WD'ing that bad, but it's just enough to either want to keep dosing, find an alternative, or cold turkey. I guess work is more important than the weekend but it's not like i can back out of either one without pissing people off.

So long story summed up i'd like to know what you guys think about...
-Loperamide+voltaren (does the former work for mild WD? i've heard mixed things with immodium... worth a try??)
- tapering amounts of codeine, maybe 2-3 small CWE's a day for today and the weekend (just can see myself struggling to extract 7 tablets or under at a time.. i know thats the point of tapering, but always found cold turkey to be more realistic without any obligations of course... just a bed)
- Naltrexone, sounds crazy i know, and they're like 5 years old(in fridge) never touched them, but was thinking it could hasten the kick if taken late saturday night after a 400mg dose of codeine sat morning... perhaps i might be ok for monday?
-lopermide+DHC rikodeine sicklysweet tasting shit goes without saying.
-and finally i have a bunch of 8mg subs in my mum's safe(don't give me shit cuz i'm 29 years old!) I'm thinking one dose of around 2mg later today would see out the entire codeine WD and maybe would not feel any discomfort by monday/tuesday.... although i haven't taken subs for 8 months it could possibly be really bad for me regarding hard opiates... really unsure, I mean i used 2 micron filter the shit.

And i'm fully expecting people to tell me to harden the fuck up, but hope it's an interesting/funny/typical read for you guys none the less.
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[Stato]

loperamide on its own, take 6mg

2mg sub will have you throwing up, trust me.

You shouldn't have withdrawals anyway, but if you must, take 4mg loperamide, and see how you go. It's just codeine, I took a gram + 4kilo poppy seed extraction, no ill effects. No withdrawals.

The times I've had a week long binge on 400mg codeine + 700g poppy seed tea, no problems getting off it. Didn't feel bad at all.

If you have a 80mg oxy per day habit for a week, then maybe...

 

[opi8]

Yeah, try the lope to stop the shits and slightly ease the symptoms and see how you go. I wouldn't take suboxone unless absolutely necessary, same with codeine. Try and get over it while it's not too bad, you already know where it goes from here.

 

[Sublimit]

^^^^ well i had a 90mg oxy habbit and know what that is like, and i know what it's like to use up that monthly script in 5 days too, but now i'm just really hypersensitive to even codeine, where in the past i could binge and just jump off it. I wouldn't be able to write this if i were coming down that bad, and in fact i feel alright considering, but not enough to go cold turkey and do my planed weekend things i guess.

so Lopermide? I guess i got nothing to lose so ill give it a try. thanks, and yeah the sub idea was a terrible one... thanks for reminding me of that!

 

[Stato]

Loperamide and maybe a valium or two if you have access to them. easy peasy

 

[Sublimit]

i take diaz anyway and am tapering off that so i wouldn't want to start taking more than my 10mg per day as i've been needing to get of benzo's ever since i started getting carried away once my script heavy gp gave me clonaz and flunitraz 12 months ago...

so it seems Lope is the go... will report back on monday and see how it goes.... cheers : )

 

[Stato]

Ahh you'll be fine then! Report back, enjoy

 

[warmstink]

great info. Helped heaps....but is the final solution meant to perfectly clear or a little cloudy? I followed Mr. Blonde's CWE to the letter (used a t-shirt and coffee filter) and ended up with a cloudy result. VERY effective solution, but bitter and cloudy. Does this automatically mean some APAP came through?

 

[Stato]

Bitter yeah, I always get a cloudy solution from Ibu but not APAP. Just slightly off colour.

Re-chill in the freezer, look for layers to seperate, and then filter again using a wet coffee filter.

 

[codeineluva]

ok guys i made a cwe (not my first) with codeine/apap codeine/ibu pills in one run...
It was the first time i used such an amount of pills though..
What I have gotten out of the procedure is an VERY cloudy liquid!
Is that a sign of containing many harming leftovers?
If I put it in the freezer it wont settle anything (just like if it was straight codeine),
the thing im concerned about is the grey color, but also i never have made a CWE with this exact pills..
Inputs welcome, thanks!

EDIT: as i just saw it shell be due to the ibu?? but i thought ibu was very insoluble in water at all? maybe specific binders in ibus?
Im still concerned please help

 

[footscrazy]

What brands have you used? Certain brands have more soluble binders/fillers that make the solution more cloudy. Ibuprofen cdubs commonly come out more cloudy than paracetamol ones.

Even though some brands generally come out more cloudy, there's really no way of us telling whether it's the brand or an insufficient filter you've done that's left it cloudy. If you've done exactly the same procress as you do when it comes out clear, then it's probably just soluble binders/fillers, however that's not to say it's safe, and if in doubt, don't drink.

 

[Stato]

What footscrazy said.

There is a certain golden box ibu/codeine I've used that is always cloudy, but provides no issues.

There is also a certain blue/white generic paracetemol/codeine box (10/500) that provides a slightly less than 100% clear liquid.

 

[codeineluva]

What brands have you used?

The Ibus were Nurofen Plus - the apap ones are out of question since i used them before and they were giving a clear solution!
So like i already said i left it in the freezer till it was already partly frozen, and filtered it a second time only VERY little sludge was left this time just a trace indeed..
Solution still cloudy i took a taste and it seems clean - i know me my codeine -
So my guess would be its the deed of nurofen?

 

[PeacePipeChief]

this is mentioned everytime the same question comes up lol , but there is a white dye in certain brands to make it look unsafe , if ur using the proper procedure there wont be any substantial issues . i use panefen plus everytime (my preffered brand) how ever every single time my liquid isnt even remotely transparent .

 

[bobbydarren]

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Solution still cloudy i took a taste and it seems clean - i know me my codeine -
So my guess would be its the deed of nurofen?

ibuprofen always gets through. Would be interesting if one day someone could get the average coffee filter/ t-shirt CWE method by themselves or in unison tested for paracetamol and ibuprofen at a lab.

The reason I think it always gets through is that I"m quite sensitive to ibuprofen and after a CWE at night I would wake up in noticable pain the next morning. And the first things I consumed in the morning would be horrifically painful, even a glass of water. By the next day the pain is usually gone completely.

I now take Nexium every morning and now I no longer get that Pain. The reason I associate nexium and pain relief with ibuprofen making it's way through the CWE in large amounts is because that is one of the uses of Nexium. For people who take high amounts of Nsaids such as ibuprofen frequently. It will prevent gastrointestinal damage that otherwise would occur .

So obviously I don't know for certain that a shit load of Ibuprofen makes it through a CWE but it seems that way to me.

 

[codeineluva]

To my knowledge ibuprofen is nearly insoluble in water, far more than APAP at least, correct me if im wrong!
So i think its more due to specific binders as pipechief mentioned..

 

[pinkanga]

Yeah certain brands are cloudier than others. Some I get almost a perfectly clear liquid while others are milky white. Nothing to worry about I dont think.