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Codeine & CWE Megathread: Version II - [insert witty title]

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In Australia codeine is commonly available over the counter in preparations where it is combined with paracetamol, ibuprofen and sometimes an antihistamine or decongestant. Codeine is also used recreationally, and it is the intent of this thread to inform users of the risks associated with the use of codeine and to describe preparation methods that may reduce some of these risks.

What is codeine?

Codeine is an opium alkaloid, found in plants of the papaver, primarily P. somniferum1⁠. Structurally, it is very similar to morphine with the only difference being a methoxy moiety (R-O-CH3) attached at the 3 position on the molecule. When codeine is consumed by humans a portion of the dose is metabolized into morphine, which is carried out by the isoenzyme CYP2D62⁠. Codeine is also metabolized into codeine-6-glucuronide via conjugation with glucuronic acid and n-demethylated to codeine. Some studies suggest that codeine-6-glucuronide may be responsible for part of the analgesia codeine provides3⁠.
The effects of codeine are very similar to morphine, though less potent; only around 10% of the codeine is converted into morphine, and around 10% of the Caucasian population is deficient in the isoenzyme that is necessary for this conversion to take place4⁠. Poor CYP2D6 metabolizers experience decreased levels of analgesia and euphoria compared to normal and extensive metabolizers. Anecdotal reports suggest that some users reach a 'ceiling dose' with codeine, usually around 400-600mg, and increasing the dose past this point does not increase euphoria or analgesia but rather leads to increased side effects. On the other hand, there are reports from users with a tolerance dosing as high as 2000mg or more.


Codeine effects, risks, interactions, routes of administration

The majority of the effects codeine has on the body are due to its partial metabolism to morphine in vivo. Thus, the effect profile of codeine is near identical to that of morphine. It causes feelings of euphoria, relaxation, sedation, analgesia, central nervous system and respiratory depression, pruritis (itchiness), nausea and constipation. Codeine itself is a potent histamine releaser5⁠, and in high doses can cause a severe histamine response that includes severe itching and nausea, redness of the skin and some swelling (edema), similar to an allergic reaction.
Like with most other drugs, and all opioids, regular use of codeine can lead to tolerance, i.e. a higher dose is required for the same effect previously experienced on a lower dose. This can lead to addiction, although it is generally accepted in the medical community that because codeine is a less potent opiate this risk is less than with stronger substances6⁠.
Codeine can be administered orally, intrarectally and intramuscular via injection. It is NOT safe to use the product of a cold water extraction for any type of injection, and it is NOT safe to use codeine via the intravenous route due to the large histamine response it causes. IV use can lead to pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs) and can be potentially fatal. IV use has also been associated with seizures7⁠, hypotension8⁠, hypocalcaemia and decreased cardiac efficiency9⁠. Intranasal and inhalation of codeine are ineffective methods of administration as the drug needs to go through first pass metabolism to morphine before it takes effect10⁠; hence it would appear that oral use is the most efficient and safe method to use codeine.⁠
As with most opioids, using codeine alongside other CNS depressants such as alcohol, benzodiazepines, barbiturates, GHB, other opioids, etc, can be dangerous due to the risk of overt CNS and respiratory depression. Although codeine is a relatively weak opioid and has a possible ceiling effect in most users, there is still significant risk of overdose, and care should be taken if it is to be combined with other CNS depressants. If such a combination is to be used, then doses of all substances should be lowered and administration should always be conducted carefully and slowly; start with a smaller dose and gradually increase until the desired effect is obtained.

Cold Water Extraction
A Cold Water Extraction (CWE) is a method by which codeine can be separated from some of the ingredients present in common OTC medications. When consumed in high doses, paracetamol and ibuprofen can cause severe physiological damage with a possibility of death(see Health Problems). If you have any allergies to these drugs, or intend to take more than the maximum prescribed/recommended dosages, it is in your best interests to remove the codeine from these preparations before use. Note however, that concentrating any addictive drug for the purposes of increasing dosage also increases the risk of dependence. The CWE procedure is very simple, although there are many variations. This thread will provide a couple of methods that have been used widely without problems.

Mr Blonde's CWE: 1) If using Nurofen + or a similarly hard tablet, they may be ground in a coffee grinder; most other codeine combo meds dissolve quite quickly by themselves i.e. just drop into a glass of cool water. The least amount of water possible should be used; 50mL for 24 tablets of 10mg codeine/500mg APAP or more will work. For preparations known to be more ‘sludgy’ (e.g. N+, certain codeine/APAP brands), the amount of water used can be increased. At most only 150-200mL of water should be used.

2) Once the tablets are dissolved, stir them and then place your filter over a cup. Coffee filters or lab filters may be used, but do take time to let the solution through. A shirt made of fabric that isn't too thin can be used also. The filter should be made damp with water, as this allows the solution to pass through easier.

3) Pour the solution through the filter, and wait until the stream of filtered solution slows to droplets. The filter may then be squeezed to extract any remaining liquid. NOTE: If you have use a shirt or other fabric as your filter, it is advisable to then filter the solution through coffee filters to ensure there is little to no paracetamol/ibuprofen in the solution.

4) That’s it! Dispose of the liquid by drinking, and dispose of the filtrate (paracetamol/ibuprofen) in your bin. Some users also do a second extraction on the paracetamol/ibuprofen left behind.

Erowid's CWE: The Procedure
1. Obtain a quantity of tablets containing codeine, check to see if they contain anything other than codeine, caffeine, acetaminophen or aspirin. If they do, and you don't know whether or not it will be a problem, your best bet is not to use them. Measure out your desired amount of codeine (ex. 64 mg = 8 tablets * 8mg/tablet). You may want to add 2 extra tablets as it is quite likely you will lose some codeine in the procedure. As you get more experience with the procedure you will be able to get approx. 95% of the codeine extracted.

2. Measure out some nice hot water, use approx. 40ml / 20 tablets or more if needed. I would suggest you don't go over 50ml for 20 tablets. I don't know if the use of boiling water would destroy any of the codeine but your best bet is not to use it. Use hot water but not boiling. Make sure the tablets dissolve completely. Some dissolve on contact with water while others need some help dissolving by crushing them. Note : not all of the tablet will dissolve, there are water-insoluble fillers in the tablet and not all of the A/A will dissolve either(which is what we want).

[Most sources recommend that codeine not be stored at temperatures in excess of 40C (104F), so its probably better to use warm, but not hot, water. I find that it is best to crash the tablets completely in a container, and then dissolve them in a glass with water.]

3. Place the solution in a cold bath, I just use some ice cubes in a container of water. Stir the mixture occasionally until the solution drops to about 15C or lower. You won't need a thermometer to measure the temperature, just make sure it's "cold". This will take about 30 min. If you wish to speed this up, you can use less water to dissolve the tablets, and add ice chips to cool the mixture faster. Just make sure you don't add so much ice that you drastically increase the volume of the mixture.

4. Filter the solution using whatever you have. Coffee filters work well, but lab filters work the best. Just make sure you don't end up with obvious solids in the filtered solution. This will take about 1 hr. You may also want to rinse the solids left over in the filter with some ice-water to extract any remaining codeine.

[With aspirin this will take only about 20-30 minutes.]

5. Drink and enjoy! The solution will be _very_ bitter, so I mix a little Kool-aid powder into the solution. The taste isn't really bad but it's similar to sucking on a lemon.

[One gets used to the taste after a while.]

6. Sit back and wait for the effects. Because the codeine is already in solution it only needs to be absorbed, while codeine in the tablet form must dissolve before being absorbed. Because of this, the effects will probably become noticeable within 15min.

Note : Evaporating the mixture if so desired should be done slowly and under low heat; at 80°C codeine will be destroyed. Evaporating the mixture under a fan or in the oven on low heat with the door open is suggested, though it will take a while to completely evaporate.

It is important to note that some available codeine containing medications also include phenylephrine, pseudoephedrine, doxylamine succinate or other active ingredients. These are often not suitable for a CWE as they may also be soluble in water and when consumed in high doses are potentially dangerous. Although doxylamine succinate has been used synergistically with codeine, it can be dangerous to consume a high dose of it and should best be obtained separately from the codeine as it will not be removed during the CWE process.

Commonly Made Mistakes During CWE
Dumping the solution straight into a coffee filter- Coffee filters can be fragile, and will also clog up easily. It is probably best to filter using another material first (e.g. shirt), then to pour the filtrate through a coffee filter. The filter should be folded as shown on this website: http://www.dynamicscience.com.au/te...try/juniorsciencefoodchem/foldingfilterpr.htm

Forgetting to Wet the Filters - Whether a shirt or proper filter is used, both are absorbent and will soak up some of the solution resulting in loss of the final product. To avoid this, the filter should be soaked with water before pouring through the mixture; this allows the solution to pass through quicker and easier and also minimizes loss of product.

Putting the Solution Through a Shirt then Neglecting Coffee Filters - Although many users simply use a shirt or other fabric as their filter, it is highly advisable to use coffee filters or lab filters. Some shirts are made of quite thin and porous material which may let through enough paracetamol or ibuprofen to cause problems. Proper lab filters can be obtained online or from chemical suppliers easily and without suspicion.

Too Much Water on the Second Wash - If a second wash is performed then the amount of paracetamol or ibuprofen being ingested will be increased. If codeine is being consumed long term in this fashion, then the increased intake of these substances may lead to health problems. Below is a table showing the solubility of the ingredients commonly found in OTC codeine preparations.

SUBSTANCE
SOLUBILITY IN WATER (31°C)
SOLUBILITY IN WATER (21°C)
Paracetamol
1g/100mL
1g/300mL
Ibuprofen
100mg/100mL
7.8mg/100mL
Codeine
1g/0.7mL
1g/2.3mL


Having a Coffee Filter Break and NOT Re-filtering - Pouring liquid too quickly into a coffee filter can lead to breakage of the filter itself. It is important to note when this has happened, as consuming a CWE that has not been filtered correctly could be harmful or fatal. Squeezing a coffee filter can increase the chances of it breaking. Occasionally the hole in the filter will be large and noticeable, but sometimes can be small and easy to miss at first glance. A sign of a broken filter is the liquid pouring through at a quicker rate then expected. If this happens, then you must re-filter the solution. Using two coffee filters, one place inside the other, can reduce the chances of this happening.

General Hastiness - CWE can be a bit of a time consuming process and as a result, it is easy to want to take shortcuts however, it is very unwise to do so. Let your solution filter in its own time; if you did everything right it will do it on its own. If in doubt about a solutions safety, due to seeming extremely cloudy, suspecting a hole in your filter, etc. REFILTER! Do not tell yourself it will be fine and gulp it down anyway, wait the extra time to re-filter and know you are safe.

Less Common Mistakes Made During CWE
Squeezing of Coffee Filters
- Sometimes it can take quite a while for your solution to pass through a coffee filter, it can feel like a lifetime, however it is important not to let oneself get impatient and attempt to squeeze or push their solution through the coffee filters to speed up the process. Anecdotally, users have reported feeling ill (nausea, stomach pain, etc...) after not filtering correctly. Do NOT do this; it is not worth neither risking your health or your life to save a small wait to consume codeine. Just think the longer since you ate the harder it will hit, so a few extra minutes waiting won’t kill you, as it turns out being impatient just might. ;)

Tipping Solution Out of Coffee Filters - At least one user has reported that after waiting for filtering to occur (coffee filter), he became impatient and removed the filter and poured the solution out of that into the solution for consumption. He reported extreme nausea and vomiting as a result. Let it filter properly, and if you aren't patient enough for this method use the shirt filter with a coffee filter afterward.

IV Use of Codeine - This is far from common, but it is not unheard of. This is extremely unsafe as it puts you at risk of pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs) among other various life-threatening complications from such a strong histamine reaction. See the above section on Codeine effects and risks, and also see these links: 7,⁠ 8,⁠ 9⁠.

Law and Scheduling
As of May 1, 2010, all over the counter preparations of codeine were moved into the Schedule III category, making them Pharmacist Only Medicines11⁠. Many pharmacies now require identification when purchasing these products. In addition to this, the size of packs has been reduced to a maximum of a five day supply (40 Panadeine, 30 Nurofen Plus). Panadeine Extra, containing 15mg of codeine a tablet, is restricted to a maximum of a 24 pack size. This change was in response to media reports of codeine abuse and was put forward by the Therapeutic Goods Administration, the federal body that oversees the scheduling and sale of medications and poisons in Australia. Interestingly, the Pharmaceutical Guild of Australia has made comments that were critical of this change in the laws, claiming that it will do little to reduce abuse and inconvenience the majority of people who do not abuse the medication11⁠.
There are also codeine products containing up to 30mg of codeine in combination with paracetamol, which are Schedule IV and require a prescription to possess.
Codeine by itself with no combination product is Schedule VIII, requiring a prescription to possess and being subject to strict state based laws regarding Drugs of Dependence.

Underestimating Codeine’s Abuse Potential
Although codeine is considered a 'weak' opioid with limitations to it's use, there is potential for addiction. Media stories prior to the rescheduling of codeine highlighted that there were addicts swallowing the tablets whole to obtain the codeine, and in in the process causing liver, kidney and gastrointestinal damage amongst other problems. Whilst a CWE avoids these issues, it can lead to an increase in use and tolerance. Users should keep in mind that codeine can be habit forming, and that constant use with abrupt cessation can lead to minor to moderate withdrawal symptoms.

Health Problems
There are a variety of health problems that are associated with codeine product use and abuse, either caused by the combination ingredients or by the codeine itself.

Paracetamol: This is a potentially deadly substance to overdose on. Normally, paracetamol is metabolized by the liver into harmless by-products; however, when too much paracetamol is consumed the liver is forced to resort to a metabolic pathway that produces the toxic metabolite n-acetyl-p-benzoquinoneimine (NAPQI). When paracetamol is consumed in usual doses, a small amount of NAPQI is normally produced and then conjugated by the liver rendering it harmless. When large amounts of paracetamol are taken, or if a large amount is taken over a period of time, the liver is overloaded and produces more and more NAPQI which it is then unable to conjugate. If not treated in time this can lead to liver damage, multiple organ failure and death.
According to the Medical Journal of Australia's 'Guidelines for the management of paracetamol poisoning in Australia and New Zealand', a dose of paracetamol that 'may be associated with hepatic injury' includes 200mg/kg or 10 grams (whichever is less) over a period of less then 8 hours, or if used chronically, as low as 100mg/kg or 4 grams a day (whichever is less) in patients with risk factors such as heavy alcohol use, dehydration, fasting or co-ingestion of enzyme inducing substances.
It is highly recommended that people using paracetamol or doing a CWE on codeine-paracetamol products keep N-acetylcysteine, an antidote, on hand in case of overdose. Although this is no replacement for medical assistance, it can help your liver to conjugate the NAPQI by acting as a precursor for the conjugant glutathione, and keeping it on hand may very well save you in the case of an accidental overdose.
IMPORTANT: IF YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE TAKEN AN OVERDOSE OF PARACETAMOL, YOU SHOULD URGENTLY SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE AND TREATMENT. THERE IS AN ANTIDOTE AVAILABLE, HOWEVER OFTEN TIMES SYMPTOMS OF AN OVERDOSE DO NOT PRESENT FOR UP TO SEVERAL DAYS DURING WHICH TIME SEVERE LIVER DAMAGE CAN OCCUR.

Ibuprofen: Ibuprofen is somewhat less toxic in an overdose and studies have shown that life threatening complications from an overdose of it are relatively rare12⁠. Symptoms of an ibuprofen overdose include stomach ulcers, nausea, headaches, dizziness, drowsiness, tinnitus, bleeding in the gastrointestinal tract, seizures, hypotension, tachycardia, liver dysfunction, kidney failure, respiratory depression and cardiac arrest13⁠. Long term use of ibuprofen has been associated with stomach ulcers which can bleed and rupture, diarrhea or constipation, priapism, hypertension and hearing loss.
A severe overdose can be life threatening or at the very least cause a good deal of damage to your body, so if you suspect you may have overdosed on ibuprofen it is important to seek medical attention.

Aspirin: Aspirin in combination with codeine is relatively rare in Australia; it can sometimes be found in prescription medications or OTC. Although aspirin can be removed via a CWE, there have been reports of effervescent tablets which will disperse into solution and are not suitable for a CWE.
An aspirin overdose can cause nausea, abdominal pain, tinnitus, hyperventilation, metabolic acidosis, low potassium and glucose levels, neurological effects such as hallucinations and agitation, pulmonary and cerebral edema and seizures. A dose greater then 150mg/kg of body weight can produce toxic effects, and long term use has been associated with tinnitus and stomach ulcers14⁠.
A suspected overdose should, of course, warrant medical attention.

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If anyone thinks there is new important information that should be added to the first post, please post it in here for discussion. :)

Enjoy!
 
First.

Also, for the sake of making my post relevant; has anybody tried marijuana with codeine? I tried it today and they went together really well - it was as though it made the codeine last longer.
 
^Yes, they seem to synergize into an almost completely different high if I time the peaks together. That's why I prefer smoking a good 2-3 hours after dosing to bring back the dreamy slowness of everything.
 
bro i dont take my codeine until i get my buds haha , its like a must have for me , adds to the euphoria 10 fold , the sedation 10 fold , the nod , obviously depending on ur buds , this time i had about 4-5 1.5 standard drink glasses of rum before i dosed 400mg of codeine , after dosing DXM about an hour and a half before (took me ages to dose) then another 2 or so drinks after and i been nodding like crazy for so damn long lol . gonna smoke some more cones soon and nod for a while .
 
You didnt wait to finalize my experiment from the other thread so here is my last post.

Its good to see you being very cautious however I'm a very scientific guy and prefer research done on things. We have discussed the T-shirt process thoroughly and in the next few days I will be doing a bit of research and calculations. Its really important which I havnt seen anyone mention is that one needs to use WARM water to dissolve the pills then GRADUALLY cooling the solution down until it is very cold.

Ibuprofen is a white powder with a melting point of 74-77° C and is very slightly soluble in water (< 1 mg/mL) and readily soluble in most organic solvents. Now I use 3ml for every pill usually which is roughly about 90ml of water. The solubility is 1mg for every ml of water making the maximum amount of ibuprofen in the water 90mg which will be deducted from the end result once I have established the exact weight of the filtered ibuprofen and other inactives such a fillers and starch etc etc.

Filtration using a very fine tight knit/woven T-shirt
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Completion of the filtration leaving behind Ibuprofen and other inactives
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In the beginning before the filtration it contained 6000mg Ibuprofen - 90mg (that dissolved) = 5910mg. A panafen plus pill weighs 667mg. So 667mg - 12.8mg (codeine) - 200mg (ibuprofen) = 454.2mg of other inactives x 30 pills =
13 626mg + ibuprofen= 19626mg.Now bear in mind that ibuprofen very very slightly soluble in water so basically no issues there like I mentioned earlier the solution contains roughly 90mg of ibuprofen. So after keeping the filtered contents I will dry it out and see exactly how much the weight will be.

Another thing to note, Im not exactly sure how soluble all the other ingredients are but I imagine a fair few of them are pretty water soluble too. Which would also bring down the target. When I have a bit more spare time I will conduct another experiment where I will evaporate the solution and see how much Ibuprofen + inactives are left, and can incorporate those figures into teh calculations as well.

Lets just say I evaporated my solution (its a bit cloudy but not because of the ibuprofen itself after filtration) id imagine I wouldnt end up with more than half gram of solids (which I have tried long time ago) and lets just assume that all of it was ibuprofen thats about 2.5 pills. There are ibuprofen pills out there that contain 800mg each and 2.5 pills of P+ would be the appx recommended dosage.


Outcome:

30 pills x 667mg each = 20 010mg. Now 20 010mg - 30 pills x 12.8mg = 384mg. We subtract the codeine from the pill mass, 20 010mg - 384mg (codeine) - 90mg (ibuprofen that was water soluble) = 19 532mg.

After the pill mass was dried thoroughly this was the outcome
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19 300mg of junk has been removed. 19 532mg - 19 300 = 232mg (Now this could be either 100% ibuprofen, codeine (I really hope not but I suppose its better loosing that then ibuprofen into the solution) or fillers and inactives. Either way 232mg will not cause serious harm. These calculations are not 100% accurate as there are a few other factors involved. Method was done with a T-Shirt.

Time to drink my CWE, cheers :)
 
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Nice results, Sustanon. It's good to have valid evidence that our codeine solutions aren't just ticking time bombs for our livers.
 
To everyone that uses DXM with their Codeine where did you first hear about using the two in combination? Do you ever use Codeine without the DXM or are they always used together?

I am just curious as to whether the codeine thread has influenced this pattern of poly drug use.
 
I have made a CWE crystal clear, cloud 9 in to time :) I am taking my highest dose ever being 500mg, I am used to 400mg, what increments do you guys raise your dose by, and do you adjust doses of things you use to potentiate when trying a new dose? (in my case Valium) I prefer to use a non sedating antihistamine in combination with 15mg Valium because I take Valium daily anyway and it doesn't make me feel so tired that I get distracted by the codeine, kind of like how some people say drinking clouds the opiate high, different strokes...

I have been meaning to try potentiating it with DXM but just haven't gotten around to it, funny considering how often I do codeine. Its becoming an addiction, but that's another story for another day.

Sustanon, kudos for that post, very detailed, only thing that worries me is people using something that's not a very fine tight knit, weather it be because they get careless or just don't know just how tightly knitted/woven it has to be, but it is always good to see someone posting experiments verifying the safety of doing a CWE with different methods :)
 
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To everyone that uses DXM with their Codeine where did you first hear about using the two in combination? Do you ever use Codeine without the DXM or are they always used together?

I am just curious as to whether the codeine thread has influenced this pattern of poly drug use.

I'm not sure it qualifies as poly-drug use, since the dose of DXM taken to potentiate codeine doesn't have any dissociative effect.

And Brenno, I'd absolutely try combining it with DXM ASAP, it really does make a much better experience.
 
DXM
do you guys prepare the stuff in anyway before drinking it because I have never been able to take enough to get an effect due to all the sorbitol or what ever catch they added to it?
 
When I used DXM as a potentiator I bought the Sorbitol brand as well. I'm quite sure 2* regular dose will not hurt you at all.
 
i use DXM as a potentiator whenever i have it , i dose 30-60mg DXM 45-60 mins before dosing 400-600mg codeine and its pretty good , then i smoke weed after and its fucking awsome . hopefully getting valium soon , how soon before dosing do u dose the valium and whats a decent dose for someone with no benzo tolerance ? 10mg ?
 
To everyone that uses DXM with their Codeine where did you first hear about using the two in combination? Do you ever use Codeine without the DXM or are they always used together?

I am just curious as to whether the codeine thread has influenced this pattern of poly drug use.

Its definitely influenced this pattern. I heard about it from a well trusted long term Bluelight member. 90% of the time id use it with a CWE. It potentiates it so much and its awesome if your tolerance is through the roof. The only problem is that after a while you become tolerant to the DXM as well and you cant increase the dosage for that otherwise it over rides the effects of the codeine.
 
Honestly, I don't see what's so big about this DXM potentiating the codeine. When I tested the DXM as a potentiator it was similar to a placebo effect.
 
yeah it doesnt have a massive impact on the high , but it definetly makes me feel more sedated and i nod harder too .
 
Honestly, I don't see what's so big about this DXM potentiating the codeine. When I tested the DXM as a potentiator it was similar to a placebo effect.

I don't really notice any potentiation, I've just found a little DXM (like two to three times the regular dose) about 30 minutes beforehand makes the codeine 'smoother' - without it I get a bit of stomach discomfort (not nausea, just a heaviness in the stomach) that can be distracting.

To be honest I'm not even sure by what mechanism the DXM helps to reduce any stomach tension, but I've tried CWEs with and without enough times to know it's not just in my imagination.
 
I think how useful DXM is is, like the high from codeine itself, very dependent on the individual's metabolism. I know I ignored it for ages because I thought it was just some placebo, finally someone (sust I think) talked me into it, and man, it was like a whole other drug. At that stage my tolerance was so high codeine wasn't good for much more than preventing W/D's, and maybe a bit of pain relief, but with DXM suddenly I was catching a buzz again, a fairly decent one too.
 
long time lurker, first time caller... oh the embarrassment.

ANYWAYS... to input, DXM has the potential to be great mixer with codeine, sure, why not? However... I thought the main point of taking it an hour or so before dosing was to ALLEVIATE THAT GOD DAMN TOLERANCE!!! or am I missing the point?!
if you are taking DXM for the sole purpose of enhancing your 'nod', my honest suggestion is to dabble in other niceties (key word: dabble)... everyone has their own, so find yours =). i love nicotine and a few cold beers after my dose, some people like smoking bud... but cough syrup as a boost? come on..
 
I think how useful DXM is is, like the high from codeine itself, very dependent on the individual's metabolism. I know I ignored it for ages because I thought it was just some placebo, finally someone (sust I think) talked me into it, and man, it was like a whole other drug. At that stage my tolerance was so high codeine wasn't good for much more than preventing W/D's, and maybe a bit of pain relief, but with DXM suddenly I was catching a buzz again, a fairly decent one too.

Yeah it mostly works when you have a ridiculous tolerance, this way you can enjoy it (atleast for a while anyway) Ive tried it without DXM few times lately and wasnt no where near as good as when combined with DXM.
 
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