LordOfTabs
Bluelighter
Two words from an ex anxiety patient using alprazolam and klonipin
Rebound anxiety.
Rebound anxiety.
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RCs Clonazolam (Clonitrazolam)
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steewith2ees
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Many of them (including clonitrazolam) were developed by the major pharm companies during the 'lets invent benzos' craze of the 60's & 70's - but with the dearth of products brought to market they were seen as unnecessary additions to a class of drugs that covered most of their therapeutic spectrum and were subsequently shelved for decades until RC chemists rediscovered and re - synthesised them, with the ability to sell them on the open market as, due to their non use in medicine, they are not historically covered by drug or medicinal / food control legislation.
The big exception of course is Etizolam, which is marketed and used as medicine in many countries (it's not a strictly a benzo derivative although it sure appears to behave like one).
The big exception of course is Etizolam, which is marketed and used as medicine in many countries (it's not a strictly a benzo derivative although it sure appears to behave like one).
kleinerkiffer
Bluelight Crew
I don't think that this was meant as sourcing, but sourcing isn't allowed
And etizolam is a Thienodiazepine :D
I am not really into benzos, but find the clonazolam turn to be pretty nice and relaxing. But the next day always is horrible for me, bad mood and I feel shallow and empty. Rebound anxiety I guess. Will probably never take it again.
steewith2ees
Bluelight Crew
Pedantry 101 - We have a new one kk...
its now classed as a thienotriazolodiazepine
Ta Da ! :D
kleinerkiffer
Bluelight Crew
^ Damn!
I guess I'll have to stop being a smart ass if I don't know 100% what I'm talking about
I guess I'll have to stop being a smart ass if I don't know 100% what I'm talking about
I used to be a member here. This is where I was turned on to Kratom back in 2008 but I have not signed in so long that I had to create a new account. I just wanted to
add my 2 cents in. I have a very high tolerance to alcohol and benzos. But I have not drank any alcohol in 6.5 years mainly due to Kratom and the will to want to
stop drinking. But I still have anxiety. I have been on Clonazapam for 5 years about. I average 12 to 16 mg's a day. I know, way to much, but I function
just fine and hold down a very good job. Anyway I was running low on Clonazapam so I got some Clonazolam. I took 2mg at one time and was very
surprised at the strength. I do not want to use this as a replacement for Clonazapam as I fear it would create even more tolerance. I am sure that this warning
has already been expressed but if you have little to no tolerance to benzos be careful because you might end up in a place and have no idea how you got there. I
took 2mg last night and is fine but be careful!
Sorry about the crazy double spacing, it does not look that way before posting!
add my 2 cents in. I have a very high tolerance to alcohol and benzos. But I have not drank any alcohol in 6.5 years mainly due to Kratom and the will to want to
stop drinking. But I still have anxiety. I have been on Clonazapam for 5 years about. I average 12 to 16 mg's a day. I know, way to much, but I function
just fine and hold down a very good job. Anyway I was running low on Clonazapam so I got some Clonazolam. I took 2mg at one time and was very
surprised at the strength. I do not want to use this as a replacement for Clonazapam as I fear it would create even more tolerance. I am sure that this warning
has already been expressed but if you have little to no tolerance to benzos be careful because you might end up in a place and have no idea how you got there. I
took 2mg last night and is fine but be careful!
Sorry about the crazy double spacing, it does not look that way before posting!
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kleinerkiffer
Bluelight Crew
^ we don't use SWIM, please edit your post!
steewith2ees
Bluelight Crew
^ Damn!
I guess I'll have to stop being a smart ass if I don't know 100% what I'm talking about
www.google.com I know it all %)
morphine-dreams
Bluelighter
Uh oh. Chem nerds-does this mean we could theoretically have a thienonitrodiazepine? THAT would be interesting...
THE_REAL_OBLIVION
Bluelight Crew
Define abuse. I use them responsibly, like with my RX. Some of them were invented by the guy who invented Valium, Librium, Lexotan (bromazepam) etc., Flubromazepam, but it never was commercialized, although it's not stronger than Temazepam. They are there for people who need benzos but can't get a script, or people who have scripts but are not adequate so one find themselves in tolerance withdrawal and days on end without benzos which can kill you.
The "epidemic" never happened, and now they're harder to find than when there was 30 UK stores selling them, after the UK decided to ban fucking everything, copied on Ireland's law...well things went pretty on the DL. If you can't agree there is a difference between drug use, when it's not abuse, you're wrong.
BrassEye
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This.
I love the feeling I get from 0.5mg Clonazolam.. it really gives some of the big pharma heavy hitters a run for their money (Flunitrazepam, I'm looking at you)
But god damn the next day is just an automatic write off.. Gritty. As. Fuck.
Great addition for the connoisseur or collector (gotta catch 'em all)
But it's crystal clear to me why this one never made it to the pharmacy shelves.
THE_REAL_OBLIVION
Bluelight Crew
I got more rebound with flubromazolam, big time. With clonazolam I can just take 0.5-1mg a day and be fine, unlike clonazepam, where when I was scripted 4mg a day, waking up was always the most "ugh" of experiences, also I was zombified at that dose.
CoastTwoCoast
Bluelighter
Klonopin is great for anxiety, but it really is a borefest and does make you feel zombified like you said. I have not ordered clonazolam in a very, very long time. That shit makes me act way crazier than I do on Etizolam and it only takes a second. Etizolam is also a slippery slope for me because I tend to overdo it at times, but it's better than nothing and more fun than klonopin.
I notice many southern states are banned from ordering on the site I use. I notice those same southern states usually get banned when it comes to research chems or other things. That fascinates me. Maybe they are ordering out of control in those areas and raising too many flags? It's an epidemic.
THE_REAL_OBLIVION
Bluelight Crew
33rd latitude...
I'm Canadian, I only have to deal with ridiculous collateral damage such as nbome ban (which is good to me) dragging along 2c-x phenethylamines, not because they were targeted, but because the nbombes and nboh's are based on these, like the DOx...DOB and DOM was already illegal, but that didn't prevent bikers from ruining "blotter" popularity in the early '00s with their horrible DOB blotter they sold for 3-4 years, which the police warned against (saying not to do "blotter" as another chemical much more dangerous than LSD was circulating and it was true). The makers of 2c-B which was banned here in 1994, the only 2c-x expressly banned (and our analogue law is much weaker here, they added one benzo from all the RC's and it's Flubromazepam, which explains it was the only stuff I ever had seized, even the second time with a decoy...the sender was flagged for sure) could make DOB easily if they could produce 2c-B which has never left the streets here, people call it Nexus.
But yeah that 33rd degree latitude...seems only bad things happen/are law there with very few exceptions. And no way it's an epidemic, even in Montreal you'd be hard pressed to find someone addicted to benzos, it's just not something people sell or know what they are. People here have a kind of attitude where they never know what meds they take, only that they take them because the doctor scripted them. People sold me 70 Dilaudid brand name 4mg for the price of the biggest bucket of KFC you can get because nobody knows the street prices for those things, well almost nobody does. There's more of an epidemic of people selling particularly Dilaudid to people, who end up frustrated by the price and end up shooting it, which happens even more with our HydromorphContins which are abusable, hard to do safely, sterifilt or micron, but many don't care and use the somewhat safe good filter in the SecuriCups in the injection kits but everytime I did it I felt dirty, and it seems to keep some of it's XR properties for some reason, would make me sleep like a baby, while slamming 8mg Dilaudid would give me the insane rush that gets you opi-crack addicted, while even with the crushed beads to the finest powder..it will hit hard, the rush is lesser, but it will hit hard 10 minutes later when you could surprise yourself projectile-vomiting. That's offtopic but I was making a comparison.
Doctors do not have a DEA preventing them from prescribing what they want, and it's people with legit issues that normally sell the pharms as they make contacts in the waiting room of the pain clinic and a merry-go-round of pills start, that's how I put my hands on 60 or so generic APO-Oxycodone CR 60mg (generic oxycontin like you don't have) which lays in my stash because my suboxone poisoned body (yes poisoned, I'm going back to methadone, after what that shit did to my teeth, suboxone that is, anyone familiar with the Canadian Suboxone Lemon pills will know what I'm talking about, I used to have perfect teeth, had 2 tiny cavities until 2 years into Suboxone where suddenly I had 23 cavities, then now, a year later, I got 12 new ones and my insurance does not cover canal treatments in case they can't do filling of one particular teeth that I will keep, there is no way a dentist is removing a teeth out of my mouth, my fist will punch theirs out if they even propose to do so. I'm not sure I will need a canal treatment but if I do, it's not covered by my insurance and it's something about 800 dollars. I could put it on my credit margin, but no fucking way, I managed to get in the + and I'm not going back into the minus in that account. /rant
I'm Canadian, I only have to deal with ridiculous collateral damage such as nbome ban (which is good to me) dragging along 2c-x phenethylamines, not because they were targeted, but because the nbombes and nboh's are based on these, like the DOx...DOB and DOM was already illegal, but that didn't prevent bikers from ruining "blotter" popularity in the early '00s with their horrible DOB blotter they sold for 3-4 years, which the police warned against (saying not to do "blotter" as another chemical much more dangerous than LSD was circulating and it was true). The makers of 2c-B which was banned here in 1994, the only 2c-x expressly banned (and our analogue law is much weaker here, they added one benzo from all the RC's and it's Flubromazepam, which explains it was the only stuff I ever had seized, even the second time with a decoy...the sender was flagged for sure) could make DOB easily if they could produce 2c-B which has never left the streets here, people call it Nexus.
But yeah that 33rd degree latitude...seems only bad things happen/are law there with very few exceptions. And no way it's an epidemic, even in Montreal you'd be hard pressed to find someone addicted to benzos, it's just not something people sell or know what they are. People here have a kind of attitude where they never know what meds they take, only that they take them because the doctor scripted them. People sold me 70 Dilaudid brand name 4mg for the price of the biggest bucket of KFC you can get because nobody knows the street prices for those things, well almost nobody does. There's more of an epidemic of people selling particularly Dilaudid to people, who end up frustrated by the price and end up shooting it, which happens even more with our HydromorphContins which are abusable, hard to do safely, sterifilt or micron, but many don't care and use the somewhat safe good filter in the SecuriCups in the injection kits but everytime I did it I felt dirty, and it seems to keep some of it's XR properties for some reason, would make me sleep like a baby, while slamming 8mg Dilaudid would give me the insane rush that gets you opi-crack addicted, while even with the crushed beads to the finest powder..it will hit hard, the rush is lesser, but it will hit hard 10 minutes later when you could surprise yourself projectile-vomiting. That's offtopic but I was making a comparison.
Doctors do not have a DEA preventing them from prescribing what they want, and it's people with legit issues that normally sell the pharms as they make contacts in the waiting room of the pain clinic and a merry-go-round of pills start, that's how I put my hands on 60 or so generic APO-Oxycodone CR 60mg (generic oxycontin like you don't have) which lays in my stash because my suboxone poisoned body (yes poisoned, I'm going back to methadone, after what that shit did to my teeth, suboxone that is, anyone familiar with the Canadian Suboxone Lemon pills will know what I'm talking about, I used to have perfect teeth, had 2 tiny cavities until 2 years into Suboxone where suddenly I had 23 cavities, then now, a year later, I got 12 new ones and my insurance does not cover canal treatments in case they can't do filling of one particular teeth that I will keep, there is no way a dentist is removing a teeth out of my mouth, my fist will punch theirs out if they even propose to do so. I'm not sure I will need a canal treatment but if I do, it's not covered by my insurance and it's something about 800 dollars. I could put it on my credit margin, but no fucking way, I managed to get in the + and I'm not going back into the minus in that account. /rant
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CoastTwoCoast
Bluelighter
So you're in Canada? I was just reading about how people are dying big time in Vancouver from Fentanyl overdose. So that is definitely an epidemic there. It's bad news. This is off topic though...
Recommended amount for sleep?
I don't have any benzo tolerance ; previously I would take 1-2mg Etizolam after tripping or other insomnia-inducing chems (eg. DCK). But my fav Etiz vendor does not seem to carry the stuff anymore, and has Clonazolam instead. So I ordered 100mg to give it a try.
I don't have any benzo tolerance ; previously I would take 1-2mg Etizolam after tripping or other insomnia-inducing chems (eg. DCK). But my fav Etiz vendor does not seem to carry the stuff anymore, and has Clonazolam instead. So I ordered 100mg to give it a try.
THE_REAL_OBLIVION
Bluelight Crew
There should be no reason to take more than 1mg. Although, clonazolam takes a bit longer to kick in than other triazolo-benzos, so don't take 1mg and get frustrated because you're not sleeping 10 mins later. Give it 30 min, 0.5-1mg is just fine, although I find it more suitable day-long anxiety/GAD remedy compared to flunitrazolam, flubromazolam and triazolam, which act very fast and are stronger hypnotics. I don't find Etizolam that great, but if it's good quality, I find that subbing 3-4mg gives a really intense anxiety relief/rush similar to a small shot of an opiate even, but it's gone so fast that I don't care for it, it's pretty much like Xanax that way, not very therapeutic, clonazolam is better suited for sleep I'd say, because it lasts a good amount of time, so if you tend to wake up 3 hours after getting to sleep, you'll find it useful. Just don't use it every day, for god's sake, you don't want a benzo addiction/tolerance.
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THE_REAL_OBLIVION
Bluelight Crew
Does anybody starts secreting a lot of throat mucus when using Clonazolam? My best source, I actually had GC/MS'd 4 different stores, from powder, the original gelcaps and now the blotter I obtain, and the blotter is as pure as the powder, 98% for both. So it's pure, but maybe it's the secretion modifications that occur when I also take care my Suboxone which demands suckling on a lemon-lime flavoured very low ph pill for 20 minutes, so would it be both in combo that does this? I always get more throat secretions when taking Clonazolam from the blotter and powder source. The original yellow gelcaps didn't do that, but that could be because I was on methadone then which didn't mess up my teeth and made my mouth so damn dry so my throat goes in overdrive when drinking a Code Red Mountain Dew can or even healthy grenada and berry juice, then I gotta clear my throat and spit it out the transparent/white slightly sticky stuff that originates from my throat, so it's not a cold or anything, taking benadryl with my suboxone usually helps, but I'm prescribed Trimipramine, a TCA antidepressant for sleep and I get a slightly better mood once I wake up which lasts about the whole day until 6-7pm.