Wow shocker not 1 concrete example! Thanks for the lesson in nothing. Just as the past 20 pain patient vs. Junkie threads have been this too has gone no where. If you want to be proactive how about approaching a congressman or writing a letter to someone that matters or you can just say something that's been said here 1billion times.
You asked for an example of a drug that was dropped from development by a pharmaceutical because of concern about abuse potential. I gave you that example.
Your counter is that it doesn't matter; we have meds of that class and function already. But that wasn't the point, remember? The point is that pharmaceutical can and do drop development where abuse-potential will have the effects on the FDA, market, and doctors, I indicated. However, to respond to the counter anyway, it would certainly be nice to have more effective sleep aids on the market. For those suffering from severe, chronic pain, it might be nice if a tool could be developed that more effectively subdued the pain without building tolerance. If such a drug had a very high abuse-potential, though, a pharmaceutical will be, at the outset, less willing to invest the dollars to develop. This is just simple economics.
I don't think this problem applies just to pain patients, frankly. Nor do I view this as pain patients "ganging up" on a "junkie."
As far as your last sentence... I'm sorry if the discussion irritates you or makes you uncomfortable. But presumably we can discuss an issue regardless of whether we have ever written a letter to a Congressperson.
Something about children and whatever else? I asked for an example instead I get 3 paragraphs of pure speculation.
I'd like to have a conversation however I want facts that back up the common complaint of its the junkies fault I don't have my meds. Everyone always says it and preaches it like god himself told you that and yet not one stat to back it up. Who's telling you that the doctors? Hmm...
You argued that "America is about money" and that pharmaceuticals will simply produce, and government will simply approve, whatever makes them money. You gave no example. You gave an argument.
I responded by pointing out that self-interest is the key, not simply money, and that self-interest dictates that regulatory agencies use their powers, and attempt to expand them, that self-interest dictates pharmaceuticals avoid drugs with high abuse potential (all else being equal), and that self-interest dictates politicians cry outrage about prescription drug-abuse. If you disagree with that argument, that's fine. If you think pharmaceuticals don't take into account potential lawsuits, difficulty in gaining regulatory approval, probable negative publicity, and warning labels, that's fine.
As far as the effects of public notice of prescription drug abuse on the FDA and pain-relief in particular, and the approval process:
http://www.fda.gov/cder/meeting/opi...yIssuesReviewingApprovingOpioidAnalgesics.pdf
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Thanks, it's good to see a forum like this around to help keep people safe.
One final point:
I think doctor-scamming and prescription drug abuse CONTRIBUTE to the difficulty and expense many of those with genuine need endure to obtain medical relief, and to the reluctance of pharmaceuticals to develop further certain classes of drugs. I don't think those things are the sole cause.
This isn't about blame. But, from my view, I don't think there's any doubt that abuse of prescription meds has serious, negative effects on the ability of those with real need to obtain those meds. We should just be real about the consequences.
Just my two cents.
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