Botanical and Herbal board?

[egor]

Yeah, definitely do NOT call it "natural highs"...

I'd definitely frequent it. Natural medicine/herbalism has always been an interest of mine, and it overlaps with my interest of intoxicating/psychoactive plants

Edit:
HOWEVER

We'd have to be very careful with the title and definition of what would be included in the forum discussion. For example, think about this question:

Think about all the psychoactive plants out there... would such a forum include all of the plants, or would they be under another forum????
(Clearly cannabis has its own forum already, so it wouldn't be here, right? What about poppies?)
-Morning glory seeds
-HBWR
-Cacti
-Salvia
-Kratom
-Mushrooms (psylocibe and amanita)
-Kratom
-Syrian Rue
-Mimosa hostilis
-Psychotria viridis
-Ephedra Sinica (but not ephedrine or meth, which is made from it)
-Coca (not cocaine, but just the plant)???
-passionflower (what about it as an MAOI for ayahuasca?)
-kava kava (but not extracts?)
-valerian
-nutmeg
-betel nut
-yohimbe
etc.
the list can go on and on.... just go look at erowid's "plants" section.... yikes.

After listing these out and thinking about it, we'd have to have it on NON-combinations/NON-extractions... otherwise cocaine and ayahuasca would be in the forum as well....

Now i'm not sure such a forum would be well-advised.

Leave things like yopo, HBWR/MGS/Rivea, tricho cacti, psilocybin, amanitas, hostilis, chacruna and caapi vine in PD. Psychedelic plants should stay in PD. ITs the plethora of other plants that dont fit another forum we need a place for... Extracts should not be a problem it they are not the all too common "multiple plant blends"

 

[Sentience]

It's a nice idea but a forum dedicated solely to plants probably wouldn't get enough traffic/interest to warrant it's existance.

Threads relating to plants and herbs used for medical/health/lifestyle purposes can be directed to Healthy Living. Threads relating to plants used for recreational substance purposes may belong in Cannabis Discussion or Psychedelic Drugs etc.

Is this still your opinion after looking at the data?

If not a new board, is there any opposition to expanding PD to include non psychedelic ethobotanicals?


Herbs like Kratom and Khat really have nothing to do with healthy living, but its the psychedelic kids who are more familiar with them than the OD crowd.

 

[swilow]

^Just remember that the data represents a fraction of bluelights registered users. 48 people wanting the forum is a grain of sand trying to become a beach....or something less ambiguous and actually makes sense...:D

 

[helium-4]

Kratom should be in OD. there are already many threads if you search on kratom. Maybe you should take it up with the mods of OD to make a large "big and dandy" type thread in OD for kratom (opioid) and khat (methcathinone). Though I don't see how khat would get much traffic anyway as khat isn't that big in the united states. I don't think you even seem much methcathinone around unless you are talking about it being passed off as some sort of speed.

I honestly just don't think there are enough people to actually contribute to enough threads with new information and personal experience to keep a subforum for botanicals and herbs going. If you included cacti, MGS, mushrooms, etc. in the board then sure you'd get a lot more people contributing information, but since we already have a board dedicated for pyschedelics which include alot of these bontanicals, herbs, fungi, etc. that would be a bad idea.

 

[Sentience]

I think it might be a slower board than OD or PD, but I dont imagine that it would negatively impact those boards in any way.

Kratom is one of the few that I think belongs in OD since others use it for Opioate withdrawal.


If nothing else, how about at least giving us a little tag in OD like Opiates, Meth, coke, Benzos, ect, get?

I think that those topics would get more traffic if it was easier to search for them by category as they are easily drown out in the over abundance of narcotic and stim threads. I believe these topics would get 5x as much traffic if they had their own board or were more searchable, and would get a lot more just by merging with PD.

 

[swilow]

^Can you explain what you mean by "merging with PD"...?

 

[Sentience]

Allowing some plants which are not technically psychedelic to be posted in PD instead of OD.

Someone could make the argument that its easier to search if the posts were in OD (I disagree due to volume posted there), but I think the threads would get more/better answers in PD due to cross interest.

If you go to the ethnobotanical websites, they sell a lot of OTC psychedelics AND ethonobotanicals. people who are into PD are more likely to be aware of these plants than people who are buying chems off the street.

I am thinking about how to get more and better responses to the threads initially for the purpose of harm reduction, rather than making it easier to search/categorize threads which never got the proper relies after the fact.

I think its just as easy to search an entire site for threads (We dont have the best search engine here) so I think the first priority should be getting good replies from people who have experience and the neat categories should be secondary.

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

So? How about it? Is there going to be an ethnobotany forum?

 

[swilow]

To Sentience: ^Well, we have large discussions on nootropics....so PD is not solely about psychedelics in that instance.

How about something like this:

Stimulating Botanicals Thread

Sedative Botanicals Thread

Deleriant/Dissociative Thread

Dream Inducing Botanicals Thread

Healthy Herb Thread

Assorted Extracts Thread

I see no reason why they can't be made in PD; the focus should be on psycho- and physioactivity though, not growing though (I know your not about growing Sentience...)

Problem I've seen with these sorta botanical threads is that they often seem to degenerate into smply lists- which are worth very little.

I don't think we need a thread devoted to every-plant though...

edit: Teo, be patient man. Seriously, you need to just take a backstep forr a moment and we'll see what happens. Check the Support Forum and have your say there for now

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

It's make so much more sense to just put those in the ethnobotany forum!

I'll mod it, come on!

 

[Sentience]

I agree. This isnt a botany or gardening forum. This is harm reduction.

This would be just for psychoactive plants, but include the stimulants and sedatives and deleriants, ect. While I think a new forum would be cool, I would be happy enough if I could post them in PD.


Not that I have given up on the ethnobotany forum.

 

[swilow]

It's make so much more sense to just put those in the ethnobotany forum!

I'll mod it, come on!

1. No-one except admin can create new forums, and they do not do that just because. Their needs to be a reason. At the moment, there really isn't.

2. The mods will most likely be more seasoned BLers

3. Instead of just harping on about the same thing, Teo, try and give some reasons why, from your Bluelighting experience, there needs to be this whole new forum. So far, it seems (to my cynical eye) that you just wanna be a mod of your own forum. It just doesn't work like that...

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

I am mod of my own forum.

*that contains sources so no linkies and the like please*

That is MY forum.

I just want to spread the word about ethnobotanicals and I'd do a good job.

I'm also a mod of the psychoactive science forum over at Sauciness.org...

 

[Propyl Power]

Even if we did create a new botanical forum, I agree with swilow in that it should be modded by a long-time Bluelight member, who understands how and what makes Bluelight tick.

I'm totally with you in your love for the plants, Teotzlcoatl, in fact I am very much more into the plant-spirit approach rather than the reductionist it's-all-just-chemicals strain of thought that often seems to be dominant at Bluelight, but you do sort of come across as a little kid jumping up and down saying "come on gimme come on gimme gimme gimme!"

Spend some time here, and if people see that you're committed to improving and contributing to Bluelight as a whole, rather than immediately claiming your own forum fiefdom, then maybe your ideas will be accepted with less guardedness and skepticism

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

Spend some time here, and if people see that you're committed to improving and contributing to Bluelight as a whole, rather than immediately claiming your own forum fiefdom, then maybe your ideas will be accepted with less guardedness and skepticism

I have 30,000 + posts on tons of different ethnobotanical websites.

If you don't think I'm dedicated... your crazy.

 

[swilow]

I have 30,000 + posts on tons of different ethnobotanical websites.

If you don't think I'm dedicated... your crazy.

Your too pushy. No-one cares if you have seventy zillion posts on other forums mate You've been on Bluelight less then a month, and already want to change the strructure as well as be in charge. Excuse me, but I find it arrogant and egoic.

Also- the website re: salvia ain't gonna work. I hate to be cynical, but to me it appears you are looking for customers.

 

[B9]

Man the temptation to be naughty runs strong through me sometimes - however

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

Excuse me, but I find it arrogant and egoic.

O I am.

 

[swilow]

^??

 

[Solipsis]

:'(