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Botanical and Herbal board?

Should Bluelight have a dedicated Ethnobotany Discussion forum?

  • Yes, and I would frequent such a forum

    Votes: 57 55.9%

  • Yes, but I probably wouldn't browse it much

    Votes: 14 13.7%

  • No, I don't think it would get much interest

    Votes: 26 25.5%

  • I don't mind/I don't know

    Votes: 5 4.9%
  • Total voters
    102
I actually think the sub categories arent a bad idea.

Having one for PEA's, Trypts, Dissociatives, and ethno's. But the ethno's that would be most popular are things like salvia, cacti, ayahuasca and LSA seeds.
If other ethno's are asked about they usually dont get much answers here.
They just sink to the bottom and disappear into oblivion.
 
Delsyd said:
I actually think the sub categories arent a bad idea.

Having one for PEA's, Trypts, Dissociatives, and ethno's. But the ethno's that would be most popular are things like salvia, cacti, ayahuasca and LSA seeds.
If other ethno's are asked about they usually dont get much answers here.
They just sink to the bottom and disappear into oblivion.
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That's why we need a botanicals forum. There's a lot more than the common psychedelic plants out there. I want to be able to discuss Picralima nitida use with people, on Bluelight, but I'm forced to go to other ethnobotanical-specific forums.
 
Y'all set up an ethnobotany forum and I'd be a mod if you want.

I already run a forum of my own.

I can set up a thread for each genus (just like y'all like it).

What do ya say?
 
Seems like a good idea. Even if it doesn't get as much traffic as the other forums it will have its select group who frequent it. What are the downsides?
 
Ya i figured if a mod linked to another forum it must not be against the rules... tho I do remember something....

I can't wait to see the Ethnobotany forum!

What will you call it?

The Ethnobotanical Garden? Or just simply "Ethnobotany"?

If it were me I'd have-

1) Psychedelics and Entheogens- all types of psychedelic drugs

2) Ethnobotany- All other types of plants and plant-drugs, remember, an ethnobotanical is ANY plant people use!
 
i voted no, but not for lack of interest as i would browse it myself if it was created, it just doesn't seem necessary to seperate psychedelics into "natural" and "unnatural" and i have a feeling a lot of people would post mushroom threads in the "chemical" forum which would have to be moved.

also, to give an example, a DMT thread would not fit into either, as there is synthetic DMT as well as natural DMT. so would there be a "natural DMT" and a "synthetic DMT megathread," one in each forum?

that said, i am not against the split, it wouldn't be a bad thing IMO, so if a majority wants it definetly go for it.
 
^This hypothetical board will most likely not cover psychedelic ethnobotanicals. I'm thinking things like mulungu, the non-psychedelic salvia species, calamus, various pedicularis species, picrilima nitida, the lotuses; ie things that are definitely active but not in a psychedelic fashion.
 
Yea, it would just be confusing and counter productive if you put naturally growing psychs such as Cacti and mushrooms in that forum.
 
If it's about growing cacti or whatever put it in the ethnobotany forum, if it's about getting high on mescaline then put it in the psychedelic forum.
 
I dont think it would be the end of the world if there were 2 places that are equally legitimate for a narrow range of posts to belong. Currently the alternative is that there is no good place for a narrow range of posts to belong.

I dont know how code savvy your desingers are, but I have a solution to the dual topic thingy. Kind of like how OD has its list of categories, we could have a list of categories for the botanicals as well, and if you select the 'Psychedelic' category it will create a duplicate link on the psychedelics board....I dont know if anyone is code savvy enough to do that, but its an idea.

Otherwise we could just make it say that it either pertains to non psychedelic plants OR we could split Psychedelics into chemical and non-chemical, which could be problematic for DMT and others which come in both natural and synthetic variants.....Sounded good at first, but that is a valid criticism.


We have options though. Logistically I dont think its the end of the world.


If we get it I would like to throw my name in for mod. I would really brush up on the rules and improve my performance if elected.
 
I think the best option was already discussed; that is, there should be an Ethnobotanical forum created for discussion of all things plant that AREN'T psychedelic or cannabinoid.

I hope that Cannabis Discussion continues to be a place to discuss all cannabinoids, and not just cannabis, too.
 
I don't like the idea of creating new substance forums that try to classify the same substances in an incompatible way. There's already an appropriate forum to discuss any specific psychoactive herb (or even non-psychoactive herbs, e.g. healthy living for various herbal health/nutrition supplements). Growing techniques and various broader botany topics already have megathreads.

Maybe I'm missing the point. What sorts of discussions would best be facilitated by having one unified place to discuss herbs? I think the 'don't divide up existing discussions' argument is pretty good as to why simply moving the discussions about various psychoactive herbs to one central board would be bad. If I want to discuss the psychedelic properties of a given herb, it's clear currently that this belongs in PD, and this probably facilitates more meaningful discussion of those effects. Splitting that discussion between two forums doesn't make much sense to me - it creates confusion, makes info harder to find, dilutes the valuable discussion that does occur, etc. I don't see the topics related to growing, harvesting, etc. of herbs as high traffic enough to warrant more than the existing megathreads, and in terms of psychoactive effects it makes a lot more sense to me to organise focus forums by effect rather than whether the active ingredient is consumed directly from plant material or is purified/synthesised/whatever.
 
I am still against this idea myself- I really don't see how discussing grow techniques has much to do with harm reduction. I do see the place for ethnobotanical forums; just not here.

I tend to think that PD is a solid forum with great posters and moderators, and I think any attempt to split it up will fail. How can you honestly talk about growing cactii without talking about eating it? Whats the actual point? The information exists out there already....I personally think that the forums are already comprehensive enough. If there was a huge amount of botanical threads, then it would make sense, but there just isn't that many, at least for the several years that I modded PD.

I also feel that the whole semantiic debate of "natural and synthetic" will be a major deterrant to cohesive discussion. I voted no, and maintain that stance

Teotx, why do you want this? I don't wanna curb your enthusiasm, but I don't see why you feel like you need to sign up to Bluelight, advocate all this change, with your self as pseudo-mod, unless you have a motive. Now, it may very vvell simply be that you dig plants (pun not really intended :D), but, as has been said- sit back for a while and just watch how PD works, and Bluelight as a whole, and then get back to this topic.

On a personal level, I find the idea of "ethno"botany to be somewhat colonial- you know, I have wattle (acaciia) species all around me- ain't nothing ethno bout them. They grew here long before I, and they will contnue long after I. They are trees/plants that grow in a certain region, but I really don't see how the morning glories whch are endemic here warrant any more then harm reduction based advice...
 
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