If posts are deleted maybe always PM the user to know its been unapproved. Or else they may "re-offend" by accident thinking their post didnt go through.
I try to send PM’s whenever I unapprove or edit a post, however, this isn’t always possible. I think it’s a fantastic idea if we can somehow automate this system with the integration of a fill in pop up window, or similar, when unapproving or editing a post. I’ll take the issue up with the Admins and see what we can get done as it’s obviously something that would affect operations across the board.
I like the idea of four Australia-centric forums, especially with PIR, I tend to agree with other posters in that altho the current format has had some success, it has lead to the thread having to be very strict on posts, whereas when the PIR were individual there was a lot more input/discussion on the particular pill. I think a lot of people with PIR don't post as they are worried they can't fulfil the criteria of the thread, quite often people are trying to find out about pills that they have only been told about are available, I think for Harm Minimisation there should be a bit of flexibility on PIR when the poster does not have the pill yet, however the policing on this should be "don't tell someone the pill is amazing" as without correct descriptions it could be a different pill, but we do need to be able to assist these people. Let us remember that they are coming to BL for help and assistance and maybe a complete noob and be scared off by heavy policing of posts. It is a big step for some people to post on here, let's not scare them away...
It would also free up Aus DD for the discussions it was meant for.
There are a lot of posters who put up news stories, which is great, but it can push other threads off first page, and lets be honest once it is off front page, you sorta don't go looking for it.
I think the social thread in Aus DD has been succesful and the comments from mods have generally been taken on board by people who post in there.
Anyway that is my two penneth for now!
I’ll stand by the lack of flexibility, and associated requirements, with PIR’s from a purely HR standpoint. The requirement to provide as much detail as possible isn’t in place to be a pain in the arse, rather, it’s to ensure the information provided in response is as accurate as possible. We all know too well how often similar pills can be doing the rounds with only minor physical differences. It’s not too hard to include information including score, bevel, taste, smell and size when requesting information and the only reason someone wouldn't normally have this information is to save themself some coin - which isn’t covered under the HR umbrella. I fully understand where you’re coming from in this regard, however, it needs to be remembered that some members words are taken as gospel by lurkers and newer members alike. It’s only asking for trouble allowing PIR’s without a detailed description IMO.
The separation of News threds and PIR’s from the general discussion seems to be something a lot of members want. Hoptis is already aware of it and I’ll make sure it’s raised as a development concern during the AusDD redevelopment discussions.
The social thread within AusDD has certainly brought about more of a community feel to the forum and I believe it can be an ongoing positive aspect within AusDD. In saying that, however, there are certain guidelines that are specific to that thread and if they’re not ‘memberated’ or adhered to then it will become too much of burden to the forum. The majority of users have taken these on board and I would hate for it to be ruined by a few.
Why not create an archive of the pill information requests that have been tested/confirmed and have the sufficient information in them? Once someone tests them and creates a report, the thread is moved into the archive/subforum?
That way we wouldn't have the chronology problems with the merge, and the front page would still be cleaned up.
I also agree with a different bit for news articles. Maybe an "Drugs in Australian media" sub forum?
The creation of a news sub forum is definitely something to be considered as mentioned above. I guess one of the concerns with the creation of such a sub-forum is how much will it take away from the effectiveness of DiTM. I’ll raise the issue in SnrStaff discussion as well as within the DiTM mod thread.
One of the issues with the ‘PIR’ threads is how do we decide what’s ‘sufficient information’??? The problem still remains that the front page could still be flooded with PIR’s which is obviously going to take away from the rest of the drug discussion and possibly even Pillreports.com. Consideration to include a sub forum for PIR’s only will definitely be considered as part of the forum re-development and could potentially rectify the issues we're currently experiencing.
With pill request threads is it not possible to instead break out each state into a separate sub-forum.
This would keep clutter to a minimum and also encourage people to check/post without having to search for the specific state thread inside AuDD.
The PIR issue is one that’s going to need the most work to find the happy medium that takes into account the wants of the members, the needs of Bluelight and the ongoing success of PillReports.com. I think the best we can hope for at this stage would be the inclusion of a sub forum for PIR’s which would then be guided by very specific and tightened guidelines.
My main concern with a sub forum of this type is how much it will take away from pillreports.com.
I'd like to see a donation fund back, simple as using paypal. So we can get DDL/ecstasydata to test certain pills or capsules that are on the scene. And give the meph gc/ms data to them as they may not have it.
If theres a pill warning for something real dodgey which there is at least once a month we should be firing those off overseas. I was going to donate some funds to BL then but if I cant do it via LR or Credit I'm not going to bother.
Some of the main issues with this situation are the legal implications surrounding the possession and delivery of the pills, as well as the management of such a service. The obvious problems would be who manages the money, who decides what pills get tested and who takes responsibility if legal issues arise out of sending the pills.
This is an issue that will require further discussion due to the serious legal implications the site and site owners could face.
Perhaps we could do with a sticky faq that outlines information about street drugs, their common prices, what to look out for so as to not be hurt or scammed. I mean that sorta falls alongside harm reduction, as im sure alot of users will commonly see this site, and get curious and look to the first place drugs are found, the street - helping these users, i mean the best option is for them to know their dealers - but informing them of what they should be expecting when they're out in the real world, in australia, messing with drugs - could save a life some day.
The no prices rule should have some kind of exceptions (eg; its fine so long as its not a dick-sizing contest)... If you guys want i'll happily write an FAQ on this...
I think this is a fantastic idea and if you’re willing to put something like this together then I’m sure it will be embraced by staff and members alike. Although I don’t agree with pricing issues being included in such a FAQ, it could be vetted by staff prior to its implementation and given a yay or nay. I still fail to see any benefit to prices being included in posts other than for those to dicksize or to find out if someone is getting ripped off or not – either way, it’s not in line with the goals of the site.
One major thing is the explosion of GHB on the "rave" scene in melbourne. More and more people are blowing out because they think they can redose or they don't wait. GHB is a subtle drug, and needs to be when used out in clubs and raves. Leave your 4+ml charges for home afterwards for a few hours sleep after whatever you've taken or rebound.
And if people came to Bluelight there is no GHB information up to date available. In fact I saw not long ago in either the guidelines or a GHB FAQ from 2004, links to people saying yes we normally take GHB 10ml at first, then if its not that strong, 20ml. That's NaGHB or K-GHB, not 1,4b or GBL which is whats on the streets (mostly 1,4b) If people read the information now on here of course they would be dropping.
Sadly G got a bit mainstream probably because of shit drugs/pills. And its only friends that dose the newbies, and if a newbie gets a vial by themselves it normally turns out to chaos unless a knowledgable friend has priven it is PURE and what kind of G it is and told them to work their way up.
Some of the links in that FAQ has probably killed someone.
The updating of the FAQ’s is an ongoing task which is currently being undertaken. My only suggestion would be to report any posts you see which are providing incorrect or misleading information so it can be rectified by the mods of the forum. Failing that, the creation of a new FAQ containing up to date and relevant information is something you could always consider.
I would certainly hope information on this site hasn't resulted in the death of an individual, nor that it occur in the future. This is, however, a timely reminder of why it's so important to realise people less experienced than yourself can always be reading your posts. The inclusion of heroic doses in posts or grandstanding about how much someone can take have the potential to lead to serious injury or death and that's why they're often moderated so heavily.
I don't personally see the need for pricing threads as such, but I think there are contexts where prices are relevant. For example, if one is trying to explain the popularity of a drug like BZP in New Zealand, pricing is a key issue: BZP is (was) much cheaper than any similar drug. So I think it's reasonable to allow discussion of prices in that sort of context. Or maybe when discussing price changes over time and the change in availability and usage of particular drugs. It's not like this stuff is exactly secret: at least here in the UK I can open any newspaper and see articles about the decline in the price of coke, or how much pills cost.
This discussion is permitted, however, I don't believe it needs to be specific down to the dollar and cent. Obviously this discussion can take place through the use of structured sentences like 'half the price of' or 'more expensive than', which circumvents the guidelines, while still providing the necessary information for discussion. These types of discussion are always considered on a case by case basis and are then moderated accordingly.
Hold on. I see nothing wrong with someone expressing their thoughts about the leadership of this forum. You are in a position that is going to be liable to criticism, i would have thought that was well known. I haven't been around long enough to make a judgement call here, but it would seem like a good idea to allow the users to nominate who they would like, and the final decision resting with the Admin team.
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There is never an issue with people expressing their thoughts about the ‘leadership’ of the forum - which has been clearly evident in this thread. Obviously there is a time and place for everything but there have always been processes in place to raise any issues individuals may have with a moderator or the moderation of the forum as a whole. One thing that needs to be considered if people don’t utilise the available options, or attempt to make themselves available for moderating the forum and/or participating in its associated development, is are they concerned about the forward movement of the site or have they got an axe to grind???
The selection process is something that could be looked at but it would need to be done in consultation with all those who apply. There needs to be a certain level of anonymity provided to those who may not want it known that they have applied for a position when they may not get. The process as it stands has members applying for the position, the mods of the forum then discuss the applicant’s application – what they can value add to the forum and the current moderation team - and then the applicant deemed most suitable through a unanimous vote is sent to SnrStaff for final vetting.
A possible change to the process could be to receive applications with moderators deciding who they think is the best candidate, create a poll for public voting and send the chosen candidate name (if public and staff choices were different then it would be names) to SnrStaff for final vetting.
I propose we give the great people of Adelaide their own forum.
I don’t think I need to seriously reply to this one.
Sorry if this idea has already been posted, in a hurry and didn't have time to read it all...
Instead of changing BL to accommodate PIR's, why not change PR to accept reports where the user has not consumed / tested the pill?
This would consolidate all info relating to specific pills on one website, and clean up AusDD's front page.
They could have a separate page for Info Requests and another for Reports. Then if a user consumes or tests, the ability to convert the PIR to a report.
Is this something outside the hands of AusDD? Stupid Idea?
This is definitely something that could be raised in the
Pillreports Discussion as a possible development direction for their site. I’m not involved with their development but I have no doubt they would be interested in any input that could make their site better.
I think the major concern with not providing first hand user reports takes away from the possible assurances - if it's not a dealer report - that the information contained within is as accurate as possible regarding affects of that pill. If it's simply a PIR rhen there is the possibility that any responses are providing information on a similar looking but different pill.
yeah and Blayne asking for drugs via PM.....
stop it, idiot or cop. no one falls for "can you get me 2 x $100 heroin bags"
If this occurs then I implore you to send proof of such behaviour. Dealing or attempting to acquire drugs through Bluelight will not be tolerated and will be dealt with accordingly.
