AusDD Ideas, Opinions, Direction

[Sykik]

"Australian Drug Discussion" Not "Australian Drug Reference". I do feel that has been forgoten some what lately.

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AusDD is being slightly overmodded imho. A friendly reminded to keep things ontopic is often more than required, editing/deletion of posts should be reserved for extreme cases only, afterall everyone has an opinion.

I agree with you. Editing posts should be reserved for extreme cases, would it seem reasonable if a MOD said

"please keep this on topic" then some user ignored it, would it be reasonable to edit it then?

Also L3inad, what is your definition of extreme? and what would you consider off-topic?

 

[Jakeperson]

PD, I have a great respect for your posts and agree that "dicksizing", "safe as fuck" "go hard- take more" have no place in this forum. However as you can see from when I joined the forum I am relatively new. Over the time I have been a member I have learned so much from BL and its members that has been completely HR related. The things I have learnt have kept me safe and stopped me from making mistakes or experimenting with substances that I have no idea about.

Unfortunately the dicksizing attitude is that of the majority of drug users in Australia. Something that BL needs to cater for. You don't wanna be the government that's behind in policy.

All the other area related forums and other forums (which don't seem to be suffering as much) all have plenty of room for social chatter etc where as we do not.

 

[Jabberwocky]

free speech is just that free

no such thing as free speech on BL, baby. this is an international board, we have rules to follow which aren't that hard to comply with. we're not in america either

 

[baby boy]

no such thing as free speech on BL, baby. this is an international board, we have rules to follow which aren't that hard to comply with. we're not in america either

true true but my post broke no rules it was edited by moderators because of there own personal opinion ....
pictures take up too much bandwidth
and that some of my convo was wasteful banta: who are they to deem it wasteful banta ..... that is ridiculous ...... i agree if rules are broken or bent to far then by all means edit it....but if they are not then let it go as that is free speech and without free speech/ even distastful speech sometimes we are no free we a in a dictatorship many bluelighter here know that the aus dd has been going down hill for a long time even moderators here on bl have spoken too me on the sly and said the same....... its needs a freshen up not tighten up

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

true true but my post broke no rules it was edited by moderators because of there own personal opinion ....
pictures take up too much bandwidth
and that some of my convo was wasteful banta: who are they to deem it wasteful banta ..... that is ridiculous ...... i agree if rules are broken or bent to far then by all means edit it....but if they are not then let it go as that is free speech and without free speech/ even distastful speech sometimes we are no free we a in a dictatorship many bluelighter here know that the aus dd has been going down hill for a long time even moderators here on bl have spoken too me on the sly and said the same....... its needs a freshen up not tighten up

Feel free to believe what you want to believe, but could you please put your time spent dissing Aus DD into freshening it up if it means so much to you???

Where's your beneficial posts to help our down hill slide?

It just seems to me as though you have an authority figure complex and bitching in here about a useless post that was deleted within reason doesn't help your case.

People have tried to helpfully point out why that post wasn't suited to the thread and you have taken it as a personal attack which it is not

I'm sure you will also take this as a personal attack because it seems you are too narrow minded to accept responsibility for your actions and follow the simple guidelines laid out by people other than us mods.

Enough of the endless, mindless posting, let's see you step up to the plate and make some interesting, thought provoking posts on drug subjects and help get Aus DD back to where many people say it has fallen from.

The ball is in your court

*awaits another mindless post*8)

 

[hoptis]

Unfortunately the dicksizing attitude is that of the majority of drug users in Australia. Something that BL needs to cater for. You don't wanna be the government that's behind in policy.

All the other area related forums and other forums (which don't seem to be suffering as much) all have plenty of room for social chatter etc where as we do not.

For whatever reason, most of the other forums do not attract the attention of the American or European press the way Aus Drug has had a tendency to with the Australian press in the past.

Before people accuse us of trying to sanitise and censor discussion to appease the powers-that-be or give a "cleaner" appearance; Bluelight is here for drug users, but it's not here to replace the conversations you have with your friends on the phone or over IM.

I don't question for a second the worth of social interaction in this forum and the value of building a real community but if it comes at the cost of undermining our HR message; then we need to ask ourselves what is more important.

 

[Jabberwocky]

For whatever reason, most of the other forums do not attract the attention of the American or European press the way Aus Drug has had a tendency to with the Australian press in the past.

why is this do you know, hop? only really participating in AusDD in the last few months i'm not sure if this has been adressed before so if there's a thread you could point me too that would be good.

is it simply because of our press coverage on drug busts, users, etc.

Before people accuse us of trying to sanitise and censor discussion to appease the powers-that-be or give a "cleaner" appearance; Bluelight is here for drug users, but it's not here to replace the conversations you have with your friends on the phone or over IM.

the bold is quoted for posterity, people, for some reason, have a problem accepting this. we all have our IM programs, plus the Lounge(for social banter) and DC to go buckwild with drug convo.

I don't question for a second the worth of social interaction in this forum and the value of building a real community but if it comes at the cost of undermining our HR message; then we need to ask ourselves what is more important.

i support the choice you guys have made by closing the social - not that i have any weight in the decision. we've done the same in OD.

here's a post explaining why we got rid of it

OD Social - GET OFF MY LAWN

As some of you might have noticed, we have done away with the social. In hindsight, it is something that should have been done a while ago.

Why is it gone?
A couple reasons, with the main one being that it just didn't work out towards making Other Drugs a better forum.

To get a little more detailed:
It became a drain on our moderators; at one point we even assigned specific mods to cover it, as the others wanted nothing to do it with it. Admittedly, that should have tipped us off that it had to go. Our moderators' time is better spent working towards our forum's goal; harm reduction.

Things got out of hand; racist, harassing, rude, and just generally offensive posts were being made.

It was redundant; the Lounge, DC, and the regional forums, among others, all cover discussion that took place in the Social Thread. And they do it better than we ever did.


So, get off my lawn, it's not coming back, and take it to the proper forum.

maybe that will help a few of the regulars in here understand why socials aren't exactly the best threads to have within HR Forums

 

[trippa]

To be honest, (as has been stated previously) unless moderators use a fairly tight rein on a forum, they often disintegrate into mindless petty arguments or bravado , about completely trivial things (no matter how innocuous the banter starts out as) which makes reading a thread for info , HR or simply for education and self improvement, an absolute joke.

These types of threads (not moderators doing their jobs which is to moderate, hence the name) are the exact reason many regular posters will stop posting on a board.

You will also notice it is the same people who tend to over-run a topic with negative, off topic comments time and time again, which kind of gets tedious in itself. I have been a member of countless forums and sites where the conversation goes unfettered for too long and the whole community breaks down with often long standing members stopping there posts because of basically not wanting to have input into the community any more.

Now this forum more then any other needs all of the long standing people with expertise which may be through experiences, knowledge or education and law enforcement to stick around, without them (which are often the moderators themselves and people like PD) this place is useless.

I joined up here purely because of a desire to continue my education into this area. I could have joined countless other forums if I wanted to increase my ego rather then the functioning of my neurons.
If you are clever about it you can also post worthwhile and on-topic posts and relate it back to your own experiences as well (if you feel the need or see it as necessary to backing up your ideas or the topic), this way you get to kill two birds with one stone so to speak.

Sorry for the rambling post hope it makes sense once I have had a coffee and come back and re-read it

 

[hoptis]

why is this do you know, hop? only really participating in AusDD in the last few months i'm not sure if this has been adressed before so if there's a thread you could point me too that would be good.

is it simply because of our press coverage on drug busts, users, etc.

Probably the single biggest factor in this is Enlighten and johnboy's previous work with pill-testing in Australia and his various press engagements during those times including his appearance on the SBS Insight episode. All of this would have served to bring PR and BL to the attention of journalists in Aus.

Beyond that; I'm sure there are many other factors.

Perhaps the relative prevalence of drug use in Australian society is also reflected in our press and many of them stumble across this place while trying to find instructions on how to shaft a pill... stay around for a look and find some good stories amongst our threads.

 

[Jakeperson]

I have been a member of countless forums and sites where the conversation goes unfettered for too long and the whole community breaks down with often long standing members stopping there posts because of basically not wanting to have input into the community any more.

I know myself and others considered this option due to the closing of the social thread.

 

[baby boy]

Feel free to believe what you want to believe, but could you please put your time spent dissing Aus DD into freshening it up if it means so much to you???

Where's your beneficial posts to help our down hill slide?

It just seems to me as though you have an authority figure complex and bitching in here about a useless post that was deleted within reason doesn't help your case.

People have tried to helpfully point out why that post wasn't suited to the thread and you have taken it as a personal attack which it is not

I'm sure you will also take this as a personal attack because it seems you are too narrow minded to accept responsibility for your actions and follow the simple guidelines laid out by people other than us mods.

Enough of the endless, mindless posting, let's see you step up to the plate and make some interesting, thought provoking posts on drug subjects and help get Aus DD back to where many people say it has fallen from.

The ball is in your court

*awaits another mindless post*8)

a classic i love it......

 

[Jabberwocky]

^can you elaborate a little more?

Perhaps the relative prevalence of drug use in Australian society is also reflected in our press and many of them stumble across this place while trying to find instructions on how to shaft a pill... stay around for a look and find some good stories amongst our threads.

well, before i checked mims, i googled for the inactive fillers/binders in the mundipharma mscontins i am prescribed and the first search result lead me straight to my my morphine FAQ in OD:D

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

^can you elaborate a little more?

He's just trolling and got nothing

 

[Sykik]

I know myself and others considered this option due to the closing of the social thread.

Jakeperson, can you elaborate at why you feel so strongly about this?

 

[Jabberwocky]

He's just trolling and got nothing

i figured, it's always nice to call them out though

 

[Tripman]

I only joined BL recently so I guess I haven't seen the downhill slide so much, but I understand what you guys are talking about.

To be perfectly honest when I am in AusDD I usually skim read and only certain posters I find are worth actually reading. The people in this forum need to think carefully before they post. It may well be a place for discussion yes, but there is a time and a place for everything. Off topic posts are a waste of time and can be very annoying when you are personally waiting for a serious reply to a question. I know in the past I have seen serious questions missed when there is a bit of useless banter in a thread that distracts everyone.

As PD stated, telling someone about your love for cocaine when they are asking for help to beat addiction is in no way HR or even helping at all, which essentially is what BL is meant to be all about.

I believe the Mods on here work hard to try and keep this place from degrading too far, but it's all the posters rather than the Mod's that have to take this into their own hands. If we want AusDD to return to it's former glory and see people start posting more then we need to actually post something worthwhile to bring them back again.

Perhaps we need to have some kind of reward system for the posters that actually try and make this site work? I'm not sure how that would work really though...

 

[Jakeperson]

Jakeperson, can you elaborate at why you feel so strongly about this?

To be honest I don't really care any more.


At the time though, it was a month or so of building up connections with every one here and learning to see them as actual people. And having that taken away instantly is like being told you can now only talk to your friends on certain topics.

 

[Sykik]

I see. I never really partook in that thread at the time due to busy IRL stuff at the time. Would it be better if we set up some kind of IRC channel, or created a thread in AusSocial where you guys could chat. Clearly if it was in aussocial you would have to never discuss drugs. Perhapes there are ways of maintaining a social enviroment without jeopardizing BL's (AusDD's) image to the wider (media etc) community.

I'm sorry that you feel that way Jake, hopefully we can come to some common ground where something could exist. My own personal opinon is that some sort of social mechanism associated with AusDD would be a more positive thing, then a negative thing. However the positives are hard to observe (as they are secondary effects i.e a general trend of more posts in HR threads, longer posts, more *community*), while the negatives are blatantly obvious, creating a *dicksizing* I have *x* and can't wait till *y* community, a *how high are you* (like this thread in the Drug Culture forum here at BL How High Are You??) kind of thread. Which has no place in the HR framework we want to portray here at AusDD.

Well that's enough for now, back to work!

 

[Jakeperson]

I think the problem with creating a thread in AusSocial is that most of us wouldn't be able to refrain from throwing in a bit of drug this and drug that.

I agree with that as well. A straight out thread named "How high are you" is just plain stupid.

And IRC channel with certain restrictions etc could be the perfect solution. It would however need to have passwords etc to keep certain people out. Eg. Media.

 

[hyroller]

^^^^ Yeah, but even then, you'd miss the universal conversation/thread that allows everyone to partake, and view previous parts of the discussion...

I'm pretty much past caring, too. Still disappointed. But, it means less time for me to spend on the 'net and be studious I guess, haha