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At Dinner With an Undercover Narcotics Detective

awesome post p_d, you tell a great story. also good work in attempting to dispel the stupidly (but i guess, understandable) prejudiced view that some blers have towards the police - like you said, they're just human. some are good, some are bad.
 
What a great thread this is.

Whether good or bad there will be law enforcement personel reading this particular site.

The police are the maintainers of the law. The laws are legislatively enacted by the judiciary and or politicians.

Until the laws are changed then the police are just doing their job.


Be bloody careful.
 
one of my best mates is actually a ex-fed cop, working for many years in the fraud and drug squad.......he grows the best weed I have ever seen outdoors......always happy and cheerful to see me everytime I see him, and always gives me "hard word" to "keep a eye on his daughter (my best mate) and her younger brother"...... everytime I see him I always end up passing out at his place very drunk and stoned.....oh well.... least I got free booze and weed from a ex-fed cop =D nothing beats that, and he told me tonnes of tales while under influnce of weed and grog..... being a cop is a hard job, and told me plenty of great tips from his experiences in the fruad squad ;).... not that I am breaking any laws, just useful handy and tips and loopholes..... its handy to be pals with ex-fed cop.... you could learn a lot and could help you get out of few hassles with "pulling strings" if you lucky enough as he helped me out of trouble with the fellas in blue few times :/ I owe him a lot of favours now :( but he's a top fella. Even I think cops are arseholes but its not their fault, they are just doing their job and I respect them for tonnes of bullshit they have to put up for shitty wages.....
 
Top thread :)

On a school camp, we had a cop come to talk to us about what it's like working on the beat. Naturally, we all took an interest in her gun... She capitulated to our demands, and with an uneasy face took the bullets out of her gun, and passed them around. She put her gun back in the holster, talked for a while, and left. I wonder when she realised that she left a pack of year 8 boys with 6 .38 special hollow point rounds...

Which brings me to a question for those who have knowledge of undercover operations... Are they armed?
 
I could be wrong but I would imagine that in general, most undercovers in clubs wouldn't be wearing guns. There would unlikely be any threat from someone else wearing a gun in a club if security was considered half affective.

Although very unlikely, there no doubt also remains the possibility that if something did go wrong and a wrestle ensued, a gun could end up in the wrong hands or worse.

I would think that having backup in the way of several officers in one bar would be sufficient. Mind you, with the appropriate strategy, an officer could be armed and remain somewhere less conspicuous, while other unarmed crowd roamers could safely zone in on their targets.

I could be missing some important factor such as adequate police protection or something, but I'm inclined to think the danger associated with any sudden crowd panic would be a priority when planning such operations.
 
Also on that point, remember that someone said that undercovers where able to consume drugs while on operation? How trusting could you be to a cop off their faces with a weapon???
 
Everyon'es heard the storied of police dogs been let loose into a huge event arena. Back to p_d's comment of mass crowd panic, has this ever happened to anyone?? What was the reaction>?
 
in the area im at (southeast us) all the undercovers i know (and i know alot as mom is a District Attorney) have their guns inside their waisteband or in their pocket in special holsters. also the whole dogs let into clubs thing.... they arent allowed to just allow the dog to run free inside the club like. that. theyarent even supposed to take the dogs in the club unless they have had reports of drug use in the club before and still they have to okay it with the club managers and i dont know any that would agree to something like that. if they dont agree they have to get a court order and that is alot of trouble.
 
Thanks for the input pilate420 but I'm quite certain as Psychadelic_Paisly
implies, that laws relating to police operations and guns are likely to be very different between our countries.

Although your police are likely to be well armed at any point, it is without doubt that the US Constitution offers more protection to it's people against spontaneous assaults with only a suspicion as the lead.

This is also very relevant to other potential criminal acts, such as offering a testing service at events. As I understand JB's interpretation of the law here, when dealing with any illicit or illegal act, if it's concluded that in all likelihood you would have known an act was being committed then it's as good as a confession. In the states, if you didn't know you can't be held liable...or something along those lines. We have no such protection which means drug testing in Australia potentially carries more trouble, although to date I'm not aware of anyone being prosecuted in Australia.
 
Nowadays policing in the UK is as much to do with public awareness and figures as getting the people who need to be put behind bars.

Although i wasnt at the club, when Gatecrasher got raided a few years ago it was a HUGE operation.

They had spent months in the club looking for the people there week in, week out who were dishing out the disco biscuits. When it actually came down to the night itself, the surrounded a mile and a half area off around the club, and raided it.

They knew exactly who they were after and where they were. The main officer in charge chucked who ever was playing off, got on the mic and told everyone that they if you have 'anything' on you now is the time to dispose of it.

On the way out they searched people who were looking dodgy, but i think they only made a small amount of arrests and confisccated a small amount of drugs. The main dealers were actually security who were dealing from the 'cigarette machine'!

The moral is, undercovers are well planned and expensive operations. They do not target clubbers or even those who deal small amounts to thier mates. But the clubbers who do get caught out so to speak are the ones who stand on the roof tops an shout to everyone thier on drugs, metorphorically speakcing of course ;)
 
yeah, as i said.. why would police in all honesty bust a poor little dude who's got his own little party packet or lending one to a mate?
Its more trouble than it's worth.

But

On the other hand. pretend ur a cop and you've had a REALLY bad day.
 
eek *is a qlder* never knew that, thanx for the info ! i'll pass the message on for sure
 
When someone asks you in a club if you've got any pills to sell, just look at them incredulously and tell them you're off duty but that if you see them ask anyone else tonight you'll bust their shit. That way you can't be busted for dealing to an undercover, and you probably won't be asked again.

BigTrancer ;)
 
While at a club for a mates b/d celebration I bumped into another old friend who dresses very conservatively (polo shirt, tucked in etc.) but is far from straight. My b/d mate signalled my attention, saying in his best pissed voice that he was sure the guy I was talking to was a cop. Unable to reassure him, I went and told the "straight" guy and suggested he come over and meet birthday boy. Being the joker opportunist he is, he held out his hand and greeted b/d boy with the words " Detective Sargent...pleased to meet cha" The look on b/d boy's face was absolutely priceless =D
 
All our vague speculation of "who's the cop?" just leads to massive widespread paranoia. ROFL..
Just dont deal drugs, keep ure use discreet and assume everyone is high ;)
 
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