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At Dinner With an Undercover Narcotics Detective

coppers are not all bad..

..i recently had an unfortunate run in with the boys in blue.I was caught with a decent number of dope plants by accident (cant give to much info away but i am one unlucky bugger!!). I just basically said..wll boys you got me ..i smoke and grow mull..i'll show you it all..lets get this over with....blah..blah blah.

They were cool as...didn't open a cupboard or anything...didn't seach the house apart from what i showed them:D ..left me a few oz's to smoke and were very respectful. Basically they didn't want to bust me but they had a probationer with them so no rules could be bent.They wrote me a great report which the judge took into account as well. I was polite to them..and they were very polite as well. The situation could have been a lot worse had i not played it cool with them. If you are an arsehole to them THEY WILL FUCK YOU OVER...and if you treat them with respect (they are after all just doing their job and like it or not we need cops,besides they dont write the laws they just enforce them) they will hopefully do the same back.

Peace

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Yeah cops have a job to do, but fuck so many of them are dodgy fuckers.

anyone who knows the Manly shit of around 2001? can agree

i was on holiday and the whole station was going down for corruption, not a cop or 2 but the majority.........
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heres a short story........

close relative of mine was under investiagtion..............
they didnt just bust in and search.. he was under investigation till crop was ready.

now this was some primo smoke........ some off the hook shit....
now this person got raided when shit was bagged up etc etc etc.....

enough to goto jail for a while even in Sth Australia.

rocks up to court on the set day.

He is walking out of there within 5 minutes because all the evidence has dissapeared.

fucking selfish coppers/SOMEONE took the lot it was that good, they didn't even leave a crumb.


Moral of the Story: if your gonna do something illegal make sure your product is as good as ANYTHING going around, theres a chance SOMEONE can't help themselves.

peace

:D
 
^^^^^^
There are some dodgy cops around but in the end i think you'd prefer them to be that way. As I'm sure your relative would agree.

Cops don't make the laws, they just impose them. So when people have drugs on them their breaking the law, and the police have the right to arrests them. Instead, if they they take your drugs and your charge is lessened, or in this case ablolished, you end up much better off.
 
I think for the most part, cops do their jobs. you have your bad eggs in every industry, they are just ones in positions of power.. so i guess they get more focus.
noone raves on about corporate criminals.

i guess if i was in control i'd send more police to catch junkies and murders and stuff like that, leave us to have our innocent fun.

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Bill Hicks (Human Traffic) - "I must admit, I've take drugs, and what can I say? I had a good time. Didn't kill nobody, didn't rob nobody, didn't beat nobody. Didn't lose, um, one fuckin job. I laughed my ass off."
 
dexter_stayne said:


i guess if i was in control i'd send more police to catch junkies and murders and stuff like that, leave us to have our innocent fun.
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Why ??

Because junkies take drugs ??
 
obviosuly junkies take drugts, but i think that the defination of junkies varies with different sort of people. the general public would consider most of us who have the occassionaly puff, or even dropp e's or rack some speed now and then junkies. to me a junkie is someone who places the importance of obtaining and administering drugs above everything else, and is mentally, physcially and financially destitute because of it.

although this is sort of off topic i think most people in this thread have taken the point of view that the issue of personal drug use is misunderstood and mistreated by the government and authorities. the fact of the matter is that it has to be true . read the other threads around here, talk to a local police office a community worker and there is not one or a set of plans in place that will solve, or either control the drug issue that this country faces.

we either need to re-adjust our values as a society, and therefore the laws. but thats going to take time. drugs and drug use is not only about the guys like us who use it...''responsibly''. It involves the much larger percentage of people who have essentially flawed values, such as crime, poverty and so forth.

ive just realised i have no idea what the fuck im talking about.

what i want to say is that the cops got to do the job - the line between drug use and abuse will never be black and white. its a huge grey area, and i dont think our legal system can cope with this grey area. yeah.
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..left me a few oz's to smoke and were very respectful. Basically they didn't want to bust me but they had a probationer with them so no rules could be bent.


This sounds like a contradiction; leaving a few oz's for you to smoke is bending the rules.

There are dodgy cops, just as there are dodgy retailers, and food shop vendors. Certainly doesn't mean all are dodgy.
 
At Dinner With An Undercover Narcotics Detective (Part 2)

I had a few speeding fines and went to my friend's house once again to find out the ins and outs of the law.

Once I ratted out of him a super new way to appeal written fines, I asked him about the rules of entrapment. I guess I was inspired by the thread based on this common misconception.

When I asked him, he just gave a haughty laugh. Entrapment albeit doesn't occur very often. It is, as was described in some of the later posts, a law created to protect the side offenders of serious crimes, who committed them under circumstances which they would rather not, save for police coaxing or deliberate force.
(eg - being made to.)

He gave an example of a family friend who he well knew was into the heroin scene, mostly just end using, but was capable of distribution. She was at that time trying to quit as it was causing serious financial and family problems.
Knowing this, he approached her for information, informed her of the entrapment law, hence ensured her safety from prosecution and was able to gain important information that later lead to a small interception of heroin (2001). In his presence, she acquired an illegal drug and had posession of it, which was a serious crime, but under the entrapment rule, was safe.

"Are you a cop?" is stupid. Just another urban myth to make users feel safe.
 
Dexter_stayne: Thanks for your story. I have merged this thread into your existing thread of the same title; this post does not require a new thread of its own since it relates to the prior topic of entrapment.

Moreover, I would request this thread stay on-topic to the current forum, and that all off-topic discussion is conducted in the appropriate forums (i.e., we are here to discuss drugs and drug-related issues, to which this thread is linked by a discussion of undercover narcotics detectives).

BigTrancer :)
 
HAHAHA sonic_reality, "no i am not a cop"
- i must be telling the truth.. rofl.. its against the law for me to lie about such matters.

no, just a really good friend I've known for years. We pick each others brains, his on the legal/criminal profession and me on my healthcare/medical knowledge.

his stories are amazing... the only thing limiting me from posting them all is my somewhat limited memory.. hahah.. damn u drugs.
 
Got a short story about wan experience i had at a big doof..
Twas with a couple of friends when suddenly a guy with a back-pack on came up to my friend with an arm-band(containing medic spray) and just took a wiff out of it...
Then after he took a great big wiff he continued to ask me and my friends , what it was ? and what does it do?
All my friends were fried so we told him..
Then thinking WTF..Such a funny thing he continues to hang around us...A friend then asks if he is on anything...
He replies NO.. And then continues conversation asks if we can get a hold of any pills...
The guy said he was from Melb and he was at a Perth doof..
Was very funnyy...We begun to get suss...And slowly walked away from him...Saying at first we could get him pills...Too saying 'Sorry mate'..
Anways it was totally spun out...
From start to end..Beginning with him taking a big sniff of the medic to asking us for 1 pill...
Were we too fried? OR Was this guy the dumbest person alive...OR more so the dumbest undercover cop...
Anways Party Safe....And be careful who u talk to!! Especially when ur fried off ur tits
 
paranoia... rofl.
but when you are scoring yourself, look at it from the other perspective, how dumb, ignorant and eager can u look?
 
bad coppers

Having being busted once by an undercover, I noticed she could/would not pull out any money. I kept pestering her for the money, she pulled out a badge instead. Needless to say, I swallowed my whole stash. I found out they often pity the end user of a drug, seeing them as a victim of an evil system.

An old and thankfully past associate of mine used to BUY Heroin regularly from Drug Squad detectives in Melbourne when street supplies were low.

A former seargent in inner city Melbourne used to confiscate Heroin found on street dealers to give to his son (fact, not hearsay). Needless to say, hes now unemployed.

My point? Police are humans and the odd cop takes or is involved in a drug lifestyle in private. They are normally the ones that steal money from your wallet after taking you into the station; the ones that beat the shit out of you despite you being the nicest person on earth to them. But you also get the ones that are in touch with reality, and can see the situation for what it is: User/Dealer to support a habit. Either way, DEALING drugs is a risky business. You assume the risks merely by being a drug dealer, and cant complain that you come across a crooked cop.

Hence, im now an occasional popper, nothing more.
 
Some cops are alright, some cops are corrupt fuckers, some cops are dumb morons, some undercover cops are obvious, some cops are assholes and some cops do their job well.....

Most the cops i've run into are assholes!!!

*Gives the finger to all the cops on BL*
 
Why give the finger to police reading BL...? Maybe if people were a bit less reactionary, there might be a chance of any police sticking around and actually learning something here. I suspect that police training probably supplies about as much drug education as most other vocational training - i.e., very little to none. I see no reason that police couldn't gain just as much drug education from Bluelight as anyone else.

BigTrancer :)
 
I couldn't count the number of times I've been at a party where everything is going on, only to look up and see cops in the room. On one occasion at home, I was mixing when someone on my left passed me a J. I inhaled deeply and passed it back before for turning my head 180 degrees and blowing smoke straight into the face of a policeman. He'd been banging on the door for ages but no-one heard because of the music level.

In all of these occasions the party could have been busted but never was. Police have always arrived in response to noise complaints and that's it. We always try to accommodate their wishes, whether we think they are in the right or not, knowing that it's pretty stupid to do otherwise.

On the night of the smoke blowing incident I must have looked pretty freaked out as the officer kept reassuring me that they did not want to ruin the party and that if they did have to return, rest assure it would only be for noise. As they walked off down the drive, one came back and said he couldn't even hear it at the road so we could turn it up a bit. I chuckled knowing the guy who complained lives up the hill further and that the music is always much louder at his place than down on our road front =D

Other times the police have actually been asked to come back when they finish work and on a couple of occasions they have come back to party 8(

At one party, the hosts had spent a week decorating the whole house. It was like walking into another world. When the police came they were very polite and as we'd heard one of them was into dance music the hostess invited them back after work. As they walked in carrying their single sixpack between 3, one turned to my girl who greeted them and said "tell everyone not to worry about ...(making a smoking gesture)...as we are off duty now"... They stayed an over an hour chatting amongst a very bent crowd. I spent quite some time talking with them (off my chops) and found they were fine, just ordinary blokes. An older chick at the party (always forward thinking) grabbed the cop who liked dancing and whipped him onto the dance podium, but not before removing his shirt. It made a great photo ;)


The bottom line is cops are human. While some obviously go for the job because of some boffhead or prejudised attitude, I believe most have a more reasonable approach. The entry requirements these days at least require a reasonable education. Over the years I've met several cops who use or have used drugs. Obviously they usually have issues with the law and for some this has meant leaving the force. But like it has aways been, off duty cops go to clubs, pubs etc and don't necessarily follow the stereotype of the "Police Club Barfly: Undercovers have been around since I remember, but that never stopped us having a good time. In fact at times their presence often provided the best entertainment ;)

I would see being a Policeman/ Detective as shit job for me, but the idea of working in forensics is appealing in many ways. However, I would have great difficulty in being integral to something as life affecting as a drug conviction. Perhaps this dilemma would dissipate in time but I have my doubts. I guess there are many people who otherwise would be cops if it weren't for unfair drug laws or other victimless crime issues.
 
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Yeah, I had a good conversation with a cop once too..... she was hairy, had no clothes on apart from a studded leash, but boy could she sniff. :D
 
Hear Hear!!

^^^^ A big fuck-yeah p_d, I couldn't agree more.

Police are just like everyone else: Treat them with the respect that you would expect to be treated with, and you can't go too far wrong. That might make me sound naive, but I really believe that "What goes around comes around".

I was once pulled over in my crappy old car by a police officer at 3:30am on a Saturday morning. That night I was Designated Dave and I'd already done 3 trips from the pub back to uni, and the police has noticed my car going back and froth and thought something was a bit suss. So I'm pulled over with myself and 5 other (Blind Drunk) people in my 5 seat car, the officer walks up to my window, points the torch in my face and asks "How many people are in this car sir?" I look up at him like a rabbit in the headlights and stammer "Ummm, too many?"

So he piles us all out, me shitting myself and my 5 passengers all giggling very loudly. The conversation went a bit like this:

Him: "Is there anything in this car that shouldn't be in there?" (There wasn't)
Me: *Confused pause... then realise that he must think I've got drugs or something in the car* "No sir, of course not"
Him: "Mind if I take a look anyway?"
Me: "Of course not"
(He whips out his torch again and looks in the boot, on the floor etc.)
Him: "So why did you have too many people in your car?"
Me: "Well, I'm Designated Driver tonight and I've already done 3 trips out to uni, and I was just about to do my last run with 4 people in my car when my mate here (Point to drunkest of the lot) told me he was going to drive home. I thought it was alot better to overload my car than to let him drive."
Him: "Ok, that's fair enough, but it doesn't make it any less illegal. We've got your rego details now, and just know that we'll be keeping an eye out for your car. I'm going to let you off with a warning."
Me: "Thankyou very much"

At this point, his female partner who had been wandering around my car, looking at the tires etc, and also looking at my license pipes up...

Her: "Hey, this licence expired 3 days ago."
Me: *Slapping my head* "Dammit, I knew there was something Mum kept telling me to do this week!!"
Him: "Sorry mate, I can let you off for the seatbelt infringement, but I'm going to have to give you a ticket for that."
Me: "Do you know how much will be?" (Knowing that it'll be heaps)
Him: *Looking through little black book* "No, sorry. But if you leave me you mobile number I'll ring when I do the ticket up, because I guess you'll have to start saving as soon as you can, yeah?"
Me: *Watching about 2 months youth allowance disappear in front of my eyes* "Yeah, that's right."

So anyway they call a taxi because none of us can drive my car back (I've got a dud licence, everyone else is blind), and the next day I go into the RTA and renew my licence and wait for "The Phonecall".

A couple of days later he rings me and says "Mate, I looked up the fine for your licence and its going to be $330." I groan. He says "I think that's pretty steep considering you were only expired by 3 days. If you come into the station tomorrow and show me that you've renewed you licence, I'l let it slide."

So that's my story (more of an essay really!) about how I got off about 500 dollars worth of fines. Like I say, a little respect goes a long way.

Thank you for your time! ;)

Kid_Cisco
 
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