Boomslang said:
Just quickly let me tell you a bit about the undercovers themselves. About 40% are female. About 30% are Asian. Of the white males, about 40% are pretty solid fellas (as you'd expect a police officer to be) and the rest are fairly thin. Come to think of it there is one who is a touch too solid.
They generally enter the club in groups of couples as paying customers but let me assure you, the club staff know who they are.
I have come to believe that i know alot about Ds (undercover cops) and what Boomslang says here corresponds exactly to my beliefs, some of the things i say here generalised. My experience is with the ones that work raves in NSW and they do not look like cops at all, alot the males are non-white, alot of the girls though seem to be white. One of the ways you can pick em is that they do often go around in inter-racial couples. Another thing is that they dress 'credibly' very clubber like, they don't stand-out because of the way they dress but i've never seen someone i've thought was a D dressed up in kandi or "out landish" raver dress and a side point they are not really ugly.
The biggest give-away is that
they do not use drugs this is something i'm sure of, they can have good excuses for this however which they may 'flag' to the party, i've never seen one pretending to look smashed. As far as behaviour i've seen them chilling in a quite spot, chilling in a spot with a very good vantage point for everything going on around them aswell as somewhat obviously (though again 'giving off signs to the party' that they have reason for this) standing around in the middle casting an eye over whats happening around them. There reactions may give them away, i've seen one go very wide-eyed and fix her gaze on me when i was doing something innocent that looked like i was dealing.
The ones i've come into contact with are far from stupid in the way they act and they way they talk, very natural and friendly, in the story i'll tell below i was very convinced for a fair while they weren't a D. From the convo i had i can tell you they know their facts about drugs such as street-names, other slang, prices, effects etc but if you talk to them you can pick on little hints that they know the facts like they've learnt from them book not picked them up from lots of conversations, phrasing things just a little differently or saying things that normally go unsaid, they also know a bit bout clubbing/raving though the one i talked too made a slip-up revealing they couldn't have done what they claimed (this only slightly raised my suspicion they were a D at the time, i thought they were just confused).
apollo said:
Which brings me to a question for those who have knowledge of undercover operations... Are they armed?
They go in the front, past the metal detectors that are at most parties these days, and i can't see where some the females would hide one in what they were so i'd say not.
Boomslang said:
myself, who was only sorting a few friends out each week also, is looking at 6-60 months.
I'm extremely jaded as far as Ds go to tell my story which goes against the "they're only interested in the big fish thing" people have been saying, i was at party, very off my chops, and i started talking to this chick, we talked for ages bout random stuff in this time she had convincing things to say to gain my trust and implying she was well into the drug scene anyway then from what shes starts saying it sounds like shes in desperate need to for a certain drug so i *stupidly* say i can get it for her and set off for a one my dealers, in the best stroke of luck of my life my dealer didn't have any so i went back to her and its what she said then that i reliased she was D. I was just gunna go to another dealer but quickly made my excuses for why i couldn't help and though its 4am and shes not high yet she suddenly has to go to track it down herself (why ask me if she could get herself in the first place). She had raised some suspicisions during our chat but as i said i was very high and it was only looking back of the whole thing later i reliased i should of known before what she said after i couldn't get on.
The reason for my bitterness is that obviously my judgement was impaired by drugs, from our chat she could clearly tell i wasn't a dealer, when the subject of the deal came up i made it very clear it was a one off, i would need to go to someone who was a dealer get it then come back, wouldn't make a cent of profit, and i was genuinely just trying to help her out but had the deal gone through i would have been completely fucked. Admittedly it was a reasonable size purchase for a party but it wasn't huge, not a supply size quantity or anything and it was for her and her friend's personal use not to on-sell. It's possible i would of just been tagged and used to track down the real dealers but the fact she wanted to do the deal somewhere quite out-the-way where i could of been arrested alot easier rather than where we were which was obviously more convenient and no less risky.
Boomslang said:
i am quite certain that there is only one "squad" in sydney. I wouldn't be surprised if they all came together to work ***** and major raves,
I
always notice people i think are Ds at the big homebush parties thats not to say there aren't Ds at other parties but they may well operate differently.
I'm interested if others can tell me if my beliefs are anywhere close to being on the mark or if they're drug fueled delusions. If i have a point here though it's that you shouldn't help anyone but people you know obtain drugs at parties, the Ds are good, it is their job afterall and it's not really that hard, if you don't know what to look for you'll never spot one, the guys who look very obvious are much more likely to be undercover security, the ones i've spotted aren't even in the same league as the Ds.
Boomslang said:
Obviously they would not send 50 police into a club every week just to bust a couple of dealers. They are there to gather information. If you have ever sold a pill to someone in a (the) major night club in Sydney, there is a good chance you have had your picture taken by these people. They target one section of the night club each week, flood it with undercovers and go from there.
The only thing i question from this post is the size and sweep of the operation at this club-night, theres one dealer who's very very obvious and seems to be there constantly and has been for at least a year and then there's two dealers i know, they haven't gone down and i haven't heard anything about their connections going down, one of the two lived with other dealers in a house that had a meth lab set-up (and appalling security as far as keeping this quiet), it was like 6 months ago he dealt, hes now out of the drug scene completely but the lab still hasn't been shut-down.
^^^ Actually i just had an extremely paranoid thought about this, and was wondering if anyone knew anything about the sniffer dog raid i heard went down at Epping RSL on Wednesday night 3/4 weeks ago???