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Stimulants Amphetamine - The Drug You Learn to Hate

It started out as a smooth enjoyable drug. Both recreational and for my ADHD. Not anymore. Just side effects. I have a bit of Vyvanse in a drawer somewhere but I can't use it for work anymore and I can't get a buzz anymore. Fucking tolerance.That's where abuse gets you with any drug. But amphetamine is surprisingly unforgiving in this regard.
 
Meth is serious business. I don't get so tense and 'worked up' over adderall or vyvanse, and those 3 together are all the stims I've used and enjoyed. Can't stand ritalin.

First time I did meth was a 48-hour binge. I definitely overdid it for the first time, but luckily my body/mind is so sensitive to when I have 'over-done' things that I let myself crash and sleep it off.

Sleeping brings so much comfort from the paranoia and negative body load effects of stims. I also ate constantly (as possible) and drank enough water for 10 people in those 48 hours. All that said, I still have a distaste in general for meth. I was getting clear crystal, sure, but its just so intense that I think its best to let some things go. I sincerely hope I can steer clear of it when I know what is best for me. :)

Ironically, nomatter what ROA I use to ingest meth, it's body-load effects pale in comparison to any amount of heroin I snort/smoke. But that doesn't make it better. Meth IS tricky, though! There is a depraved cycle that I've witnessed and very minimally experienced with its usage. One positive aspect of meth for me, nomatter how minute it may seem, is that it clears my sinuses up completely. Something I don't get to experience too often mainly because of an unhealthy h habit that has gone on too long.

I'm fucking tired of drugs, can anyone tell? lol. This is a great and informative thread though, thank you I wish our OP would come back and make a comment or two, nothing since his first post???
 
one of my good friends has been on ADD medication for many years starting at around age 5. Hes been taking 54mg concerta daily for at least 10 years. I can see the stage 6 completely, and he seems to me to be in his own world at times he says things "man, if anyone messes with my children and my wife, ill hurt them" . to which we reply "you dont have a wife or children pat.." "I know man Im just saying" he does this all the time and he has severe OCD about things. that shit is bad news, I know concerta isn't straight up amphetamines, but every time I experimented with any kind of ADD medication I used to pee so much, couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, you know the symptoms completely hell for me. I can only imagine what that does to a young kid's brain giving them this powerful stimulant.
 
Been off meth for 10+ years. Was on it for 10+ years. Been everywhere it takes you and dug my way out of that hole somehow over the past decade.

long story short. Had injury was given vikiden and it didn't take long till I wanted more. I was doing 180 mg a day oxy. went QT. That lasted 3 months. Now back on the opies I've been given some adderall that is working very well to ween me off the oxy.

In your opinion is adderall speed? It's been a while for me but the come down and the paranoia is there just like speed, the only thing missing is the tweaky movements I would get on speed. I was doing a lot of speed.

So do you think adderall is the same? Is there any dependance to worry about with it? Somehow over the years I've learned to hate meth and I still do, I dislike the adderall effect but it's helping me not do that much oxy. Is this worth it or should I try something else to stop the oxy?

Thanx.
 
In your opinion is adderall speed? It's been a while for me but the come down and the paranoia is there just like speed, the only thing missing is the tweaky movements I would get on speed. I was doing a lot of speed.

Literally speaking, adderall is almost exactly speed. "Street" speed is 50-50 dextro-levo amphetamine. Adderall is 75-25 dextro-levo. That is of course disregarding any cuts/impurities. The lower levo content is the reason adderall is less tweaky, and lack of levoamphetamine is the reason dexedrine is less tweaky still.
 
It started out as a smooth enjoyable drug. Both recreational and for my ADHD. Not anymore. Just side effects. I have a bit of Vyvanse in a drawer somewhere but I can't use it for work anymore and I can't get a buzz anymore. Fucking tolerance.That's where abuse gets you with any drug. But amphetamine is surprisingly unforgiving in this regard.

You probably need Parkinson medication, dopamine agonists. You have to understand what the drug does. Dexedrine is like a cap that prevents dopamine molecules from returning to the cells causing them to accumulate outside the cells. Since you mention you only get side effects it probably means you have very few dopamine, both inside the cells and outside the cells so using the dexedrine trick to squeeze the cells dry doesn't work in your case. You're depleting your cells which cause the side effects and the few dopamine that accumulates outside the cells is a poor substitute for a buzz.

Parkinson agonists actually provide a dopamine equivalent that are known to increase the risk for gamble addiction and compulsive behavior. It might be the missing piece of the puzzle for you. In my case, the initial buzz is tremendous even after 7 years. You see, Dexedrine is for people who got cells bursting with dopamine so that the inhibition allows them to squeeze the cells to obtain the buzz without side effects. If your dopamine cells are depleted, Dexedrine is useless, it is not a dopamine agonist.
 
Reason why I hate threads like this is because it brings up "masturbating will make you grow hair in your palm" type of argument. Enhancing harm reduction at the cost of truth is something I am against. I know that lying to people is the best option to keep them safe, our government does it but I'm not the government.

Here's the thing. The OP posted a scenario that occurs with a majority of amphetamine users. Many people have gotten high on amphetamines for 50+ years before without issues. I myself experience unaltered euphoria after 7 years of daily use, the euphoria is very similar to how it was in the beginning and I developed no tolerance. However, most users do, so what the topic tells you is, if you go down this road, you might end up in step 8 but what it fails to mention and I find it unfair, is that you might get high all your life and never even reach stage 2 if your lucky, and by lucky I mean within 10% of the population.

For the remaining 90%, trying to be those 10% will end in disaster or death. I myself know my limits, I am not good at consuming alcohol, fine, it makes me sick I try something else, no problem. If amphetamines don't work for you, why push it? Forget it...you shouldn't experience those stages ever.
 
For example, the stage 1 description is wrong:

Stage 1 of Amphetamine Use - During this stage, amphetamine will be at its hedonic peak; the pleasure of taking amphetamine will not get any higher from this point on. The most notable feelings are a "lovey" feeling, powerful euphoria, increased motivation, deep philosophical thinking, strong feelings of "lust", etc.

Length of phase: 1-3 days with binge usage; 5-10 days with daily usage; About 5-15 uses total if used sparingly with atleast several days inbetween doses.

Characteristic Effects of this Stage:
- Powerful euphoria
- Empathy and socialability
- Overwhelming amount of increased motivation

It's wrong because I have taken amphetamines for 7 years and what he calls the peak occurred to me somewhere during the 4th year and lately I have experienced effects that seem to rival that too. 1-3 days...5-10...5-15...I'm sorry, that is wrong. The fact that I experienced things different'y invalidates it, it only takes one person and I'm sure there's tons others.

If one person can do it, you say "you may go in stage 8 but KSA from bluelight, hes in stage 1 after 7 years". Ok? Inform people properly lol
 
Never used plain amphetamine but I can attest to this. The fluoroamphetamines seem to produce similar effects, almost becoming dysphoric after prolonged use. However, much of the original "Stage 1" euphoria and empathy can be regained by a few days abstinence.

It's very easy to take too little or too much and get in a bad headspace. Dosing is key when using amphetamines of any kind regularly. Little periods of abstinence help too--even if it's just 2 days. It's really hard to abstain when your brain is used to that extra kick though.
 
Ive been to stage 8, I snorted some really strong stuff one night and just started stuttering badly for a short time, I still stutter sometimes years later which I never did before but its minor.

I was also psychotic and had cognitive impairment.
I remember towards the end of my use, getting out of a car to goto the club off my head and as I stepped out I heard a group of people talk amongst themselves and for some reason I turned to them and said something that I thought had to do with their conversation but probably didnt, it was very brief then I just stormed off. it was weird, sorta like a schizophrenic thing to do.

I would say stage 8 mimics the acute stage of schizophrenia minus the vision problems(unable to judge distances etc).
 
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Happens to anyone

edit nevermind, i realize this was about addictive use mainly, I was going to point out that this doesn't happen to people who legitamely need it for adhd and people who only take it in the prescribed amount, then I reread your opening paragraph and realized you covered that

I'm on "Stage 5 of Amphetamine Use, The Procrastination". Everyday, since August, I say to myself that I will never use it again. The tricky thing is that the other day the addiction convices yourself to take it again, and the effects are always terrible. I always fail. I created this post as a promisse to myself never use it again. Today was the last.

This happens to anyone, including ADHD or others who use it therapeutically. I used it daily for ADHD for 14 months and never abused. The highest dose I used was 50mg Vyvanse. Now I'm on 30mg. No dose gives benefits. I tried micro-doses 5mg and the highest was 90mg Vyvanse and none produced benefits. I chased the dragon, tried some days off to low tolerance and nothing. Now I call Vyvanse the Anhedonia Pill, everytime I take it I get depression, apathy, anhedonia, lazyness, sleepiness. No will to work or study, motivation for nothing, even sex. It fucked with my desire to exercise, work out. It turnes me into a antisocial and paranoic person. When I'm off it I'm much better. The herbs catuaba and muira puama was a godsend to convice me to stop amphetamine use.
 
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I'm on "Stage 5 of Amphetamine Use, The Procrastination". Everyday, since August, I say to myself that I will never use it again. The tricky thing is that the other day the addiction convices yourself to take it again, and the effects are always terrible. I always fail. I created this post as a promisse to myself never use it again. Today was the last.

This stage is so powerful that I continued to use Vyvanse everyday since my last post (and promisse). It's so mighty because everyday I say to myself to never more use it, but than I fail and I see I'm addicted to a drug that only gives me side effects.

I'm glad my last pill was today and to get a refill I need to make a appointment with my doctor, therefore, I'm forced to be at least 10 days without this shit drug. No! It's not a dosage problem, I tried all kinds of dosing scheme. All I want is freedom from this addiction that only makes me depressed, paranoid and anhedonic. At least, during my one year treatment, it produced some neuroplasticity that, without the drug, I'm much more focused, motivated, social and happy.
 
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Really liked that OP! Went very similar for me. I stopped a few months after "psychosis" though. Was easy as hell to kick imho, easier than caffeine. Was on it for 27 months daily use. Took 24 months for me to become psychotic. They say I'm bipolar 1.

EDIT: It was so easy to quit due to it being so obviously BAD FOR ME.
 
Let me just say, in reference to the permanence of these effects we will eventually suffer, if we dont already: I was born with a congenital neural tube defect of my spinal cord. After multiple surgeries throughout my childhood, they finally got the tether under control, but most of my lwer body muscles were severaly affected, and for most of 2nd and 3rd grade, I was wheelchair bound. I was told I would be in that chair indefiitely, that my condition would deterioate until i could no longer walk and became a paraplegic. Well, fast forward over 10 years later, and I'm not only walking, I'm actively pursuing PT to further improve my muscular fucntion. In a part of my leg that had long been assumed totally nerve-dead, we recently discovered a tendon that can still be moved voluntarily. There is no limit for me in this. It will take lots of time and work, but as time goes on, medical science improves, and more hopes appear. The point of this is: In medicine, look at nothing as permanent except death. The human spirit is an incredible force, and we are proving doctors wrong about what we "cant ever do again", and what "can never heal or be fixed". Dont give up hope! There is ALWAYS a chance. We can prove doctors wrong and do amazing things we never thought we'd be able to. I'm living proof.

Excellent post. I agree.
 
You probably need Parkinson medication, dopamine agonists. You have to understand what the drug does. Dexedrine is like a cap that prevents dopamine molecules from returning to the cells causing them to accumulate outside the cells. Since you mention you only get side effects it probably means you have very few dopamine, both inside the cells and outside the cells so using the dexedrine trick to squeeze the cells dry doesn't work in your case. You're depleting your cells which cause the side effects and the few dopamine that accumulates outside the cells is a poor substitute for a buzz.

Parkinson agonists actually provide a dopamine equivalent that are known to increase the risk for gamble addiction and compulsive behavior. It might be the missing piece of the puzzle for you. In my case, the initial buzz is tremendous even after 7 years. You see, Dexedrine is for people who got cells bursting with dopamine so that the inhibition allows them to squeeze the cells to obtain the buzz without side effects. If your dopamine cells are depleted, Dexedrine is useless, it is not a dopamine agonist.

*faps*

That was an excellent read.
 
You probably need Parkinson medication, dopamine agonists. You have to understand what the drug does. Dexedrine is like a cap that prevents dopamine molecules from returning to the cells causing them to accumulate outside the cells. Since you mention you only get side effects it probably means you have very few dopamine, both inside the cells and outside the cells so using the dexedrine trick to squeeze the cells dry doesn't work in your case. You're depleting your cells which cause the side effects and the few dopamine that accumulates outside the cells is a poor substitute for a buzz.

Parkinson agonists actually provide a dopamine equivalent that are known to increase the risk for gamble addiction and compulsive behavior. It might be the missing piece of the puzzle for you. In my case, the initial buzz is tremendous even after 7 years. You see, Dexedrine is for people who got cells bursting with dopamine so that the inhibition allows them to squeeze the cells to obtain the buzz without side effects. If your dopamine cells are depleted, Dexedrine is useless, it is not a dopamine agonist.
Please don't talk pharmacology if you do not know the first thing about it, man. The rest of you, don't listen to a word of what this guy just said lol.
 
It's the one drug I do, regret doing afterwards and then do again despite my inner hatred of what I know is to come.
 
Please don't talk pharmacology if you do not know the first thing about it, man. The rest of you, don't listen to a word of what this guy just said lol.

Could you at least back up your claims?
I'm just an drug enthusiast with casual experience of a handful of drugs and have only taken Amphetamines once but I would really appreciate if you could offer me a greater understanding as to why what he said was wrong.
I'd be open to anyone offering me an explaination.
 
Wow. I accidently stumbled on this site today, trying to find a way to get the XR out of my Adderall XR.

Im 46 and was diagnosed with ADD around 5 years ago. It was so severe I could not concentrate enough to read more than a paragraph or regularly climax while having sex. Even quit school in the 9th grade. I thought it was just the way I was.

So after a couple years of trial and error, I ended up on 75mg Vyvanse followed up with two 10mg adderall a day and I was cured, basically.

It was truly a miracle. Over the years I was promoted several times at my job, took on volunteer efforts in the community, and finish almost every time when having sex!!

Over the past year or so my Dr stopped prescribing the regular Adderall and the Vyvanse alone would not do it. Ive tried everything scrambling to find something strong enough to work. Latest attempt was 20mg Adderall XR 2x day.

The Dr refuses to prescribe any of the "fast acting" meds due to their potential for abuse, but by reading this thread it doesn't matter anyway.

Now, with the effects in retreat, I find myself way over my head. I am having more and more trouble communicating to large groups or even finding the motivation to put the presentations together. The only reason I have this job in the first place is because of the meds, and we have become dependent on the extra income it provides.

So looks like it is “Just the way I am” An illusion is not a cure…… Unless it is everlasting.
 
Could you at least back up your claims?
I'm just an drug enthusiast with casual experience of a handful of drugs and have only taken Amphetamines once but I would really appreciate if you could offer me a greater understanding as to why what he said was wrong.
I'd be open to anyone offering me an explaination.
Sorry I must've been a bit grumpy when I wrote that. Well, it's true that amphetamine causes more dopamine to accumulate in synaptic clefts. Concluding someone does not produce enough dopamine because amphetamine doesn't hit him as hard as he would like, is a very daring assumption. Amphetamine pharmacology is very complex and there could be dozens of reasons why it would affect two people differently. While there is some mb parkinson medication that acts as a direct dopamine agonist, there is lots of (more clinically relevant) parkinson medication that acts through different mechanisms and recommending someone on bluelight to abuse "parkinson medication" is a very bad idea to say the least.
Ironically, while looking to find a review about amphetamine's mechanisms of action for you, I stumbled across a study that observed greater dopamine release after amphetamine administration in pathological gamblers than in healthy subjects. :D Unfortunately, I strongly doubt people looking for more bang for their buck are interested in the obsessive compulsive aspects of the drug. ;)

Anyway, you would be best off to find a review about the drug's effects on http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed if you are eager to understand it better. Once you have found one, you can message me and I'll try to get the full article for you.

Wow. I accidently stumbled on this site today, trying to find a way to get the XR out of my Adderall XR.

Im 46 and was diagnosed with ADD around 5 years ago. It was so severe I could not concentrate enough to read more than a paragraph or regularly climax while having sex. Even quit school in the 9th grade. I thought it was just the way I was.

So after a couple years of trial and error, I ended up on 75mg Vyvanse followed up with two 10mg adderall a day and I was cured, basically.

It was truly a miracle. Over the years I was promoted several times at my job, took on volunteer efforts in the community, and finish almost every time when having sex!!

Over the past year or so my Dr stopped prescribing the regular Adderall and the Vyvanse alone would not do it. Ive tried everything scrambling to find something strong enough to work. Latest attempt was 20mg Adderall XR 2x day.

The Dr refuses to prescribe any of the "fast acting" meds due to their potential for abuse, but by reading this thread it doesn't matter anyway.

Now, with the effects in retreat, I find myself way over my head. I am having more and more trouble communicating to large groups or even finding the motivation to put the presentations together. The only reason I have this job in the first place is because of the meds, and we have become dependent on the extra income it provides.

So looks like it is “Just the way I am” An illusion is not a cure…… Unless it is everlasting.
Find another psychiatrist, man. There is a big difference between having genuine ADD and taking your amphetamine as prescribed and abusing the shit out of the drug like me and most other posters in this thread have done. You can be fine taking amphetamine for decades.
 
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