Alcohol Vs. Hard Drugs

[PurpleKush1]

No, I have not. Which is a very good thing. Doing drugs is a very dangerous and stupid behaviors to do, which is why I never have and I never will try out any sorts of drugs whatsoever.

Well sorry to burst your bubble but not everybody likes living sober. And how can you fucking say that? you are implying lol most of bluelight behaves stupidly? While there are users that take their use to extreme amounts that can be dangerous, you shouldnt generalize like that. There are plenty of occasional users that get high from time to time and dont do anything stupid. ANd even those of us who abuse the hell out of substances, doesnt make us stupid. Some of the most smart people i have met IRL are also some of the biggest drug users ive witnessed. Finally, like xxxyyy said, somebody who has never tried any mind altering sbustance talking facts about them is like a virgin talking facts about sex.

I've heard of moderate drinking, or occasional drinking, but I've never heard of an "moderate" or an "occasional" meth user. Unless you're genetically predisposed to these sorts of things, somebody only becomes an alcoholic if they keep drinking large amounts of alcohol over some long periods of time. It's possible to drink alcohol in some safe ways that would not result in somebody becoming an alcoholic. Some, actually many, people that use alcohol, use it very moderately, without becoming negatively affected by it, either through addictions or intoxication.
It's literally impossible for somebody to use crystal meth without becoming intoxicated, and almost everybody who uses it gets addicted to it just about the first time that they try it.

Again, youre in the wrong. I know people who use meth once a month, others who use cocaine a few times every year. I even know weekend cocaine users that never use on the week itself. WHihile it does take alot of self control,its definitly possible. Its just that being alcoholic is scoially acceptable compared to being a tweaker. And also, the you try it once and become instantly addicted is BULLSHIT. Some people try it and like it but become addicted progessively, not going on an endless binge instantly,some dont like it,etc. THe you get addicted from the first time is big time media bullshit. It depends for every indivudal,but no drug can cause instant physical depence.. You should get your facts from a better source then D.A.R.E.

Well, I absolutely agree with you. Our society is filled with biases as well as hypocrisy towards drugs. Alcohol is viewed as socially acceptable and "cool", whereas marijuana, which is a way less dangerous drug than alcohol is, is stigmatized as "doing drugs".

But I don't really understand what you mean by "government drug propaganda". While the government certainly does throw out a lot of exaggerated anti marijuana propaganda, are you implying that the government also has a lot of pro-alcohol propaganda? How exactly is my information biased at all? My intentions is not to be biased.

Its ok to get drunk like a fish every weekend, but its ILLEGAL and dangerous to smoke a spliff to relax after work. That is what the governement makes you believe to discourage non drug educated people from doing other things. You have less chance to die from a pill of Mdma( i think one user in a 100 000,im not sure though), a line of speed, some mushrooms (you cant overdose on them, but you can get stuck in loops in your head and have a panic attack), than a night of drinking. The drugs that kill the most are alcohol and cigarettes. Im guilty of both but i accept they are more dangerous than a good part of the illegal ones. I seriously suggest you get some sticky green and smoke one up, that is you dont have any anxiety disorder(pop a benzo before if you do) or schizophrenia or other mental conditions that go well together with weed. Take a few hits, sit back,relax and come tell me drugs are stupid, i chose weed because im sure you would go in a fit if i said something else. Im sure you wont do it because you believe too much in propaganda though. Have a good day.

 

[PurpleKush1]

No, I have not. Which is a very good thing. Doing drugs is a very dangerous and stupid behaviors to do, which is why I never have and I never will try out any sorts of drugs whatsoever.

Well sorry to burst your bubble but not everybody likes living sober. And how can you fucking say that? you are implying lol most of bluelight behaves stupidly? While there are users that take their use to extreme amounts that can be dangerous, you shouldnt generalize like that. There are plenty of occasional users that get high from time to time and dont do anything stupid. ANd even those of us who abuse the hell out of substances, doesnt make us stupid. Some of the most smart people i have met are also some of the biggest drug users ive witnessed. Finally, like xxxyyy said, somebody who has never tried any mind altering sbustance talking facts about them is like a virgin talking facts about sex.

I've heard of moderate drinking, or occasional drinking, but I've never heard of an "moderate" or an "occasional" meth user. Unless you're genetically predisposed to these sorts of things, somebody only becomes an alcoholic if they keep drinking large amounts of alcohol over some long periods of time. It's possible to drink alcohol in some safe ways that would not result in somebody becoming an alcoholic. Some, actually many, people that use alcohol, use it very moderately, without becoming negatively affected by it, either through addictions or intoxication.
It's literally impossible for somebody to use crystal meth without becoming intoxicated, and almost everybody who uses it gets addicted to it just about the first time that they try it.

Again, youre in the wrong. I know people who use meth once a month, others who use cocaine a few times every year. I even know weekend cocaine users that never use on the week itself. WHihile it does take alot of self control,its definitly possible. Its just that being alcoholic is scoially acceptable compared to being a tweaker. And also, the you try it once and become instantly addicted is BULLSHIT. Some people try it and like it but become addicted progessively, not going on an endless binge instantly,some dont like it,etc. THe you get addicted from the first time is big time media bullshit. It depends for every indivudal,but no drug can cause instant physical depence.. You should get your facts from a better source then D.A.R.E.

Well, I absolutely agree with you. Our society is filled with biases as well as hypocrisy towards drugs. Alcohol is viewed as socially acceptable and "cool", whereas marijuana, which is a way less dangerous drug than alcohol is, is stigmatized as "doing drugs".

But I don't really understand what you mean by "government drug propaganda". While the government certainly does throw out a lot of exaggerated anti marijuana propaganda, are you implying that the government also has a lot of pro-alcohol propaganda? How exactly is my information biased at all? My intentions is not to be biased.

Its ok to get drunk like a fish every weekend, but its ILLEGAL and dangerous to smoke a spliff to relax after work. That is what the governement makes you believe to discourage non drug educated people from doing other things. You have less chance to die from a pill of Mdma( i think one user in a 100 000,im not sure though), a line of speed, some mushrooms (you cant overdose on them, but you can get stuck in loops in your head and have a panic attack), than a night of drinking. The drugs that kill the most are alcohol and cigarettes. Im guilty of both but i accept they are more dangerous than a good part of the illegal ones. I seriously suggest you get some sticky green and smoke one up, that is you dont have any anxiety disorder(pop a benzo before if you do) or schizophrenia or other mental conditions that dont go together with weed. Take a few hits, sit back,relax and come tell me drugs are stupid, i chose weed because im sure you would go in a fit if i said something else. Im sure you wont do it because you believe too much in propaganda though. Have a good day.

 

[weekend addiction]

As somebody reading this thread high on both alcohol and hard drugs, TLDR.

 

[PurpleKush1]

Well, that's totally not true. Heroin can give people some pretty severe brain damages.

Also, there's one key difference. Alcohol can be used in moderation and without addiction, but that same statement cannot be stated about heroin, which is a far more addictive drug than alcohol ever is.

LOOOOL dude are you serious? if you want to argue about something you no nothing about just at least do some research? heroin has almost to not all any neurotoxcity, which means it doesnt damage youre brain. Drugs like Meth and your BELOVEd alcohol do a s a matter of fact. On the other hand heroin IS very addictive, but the dope sickness (withdrawal) is on par with deliruim tremens (alcohol wd). They are both addictive and up there with benzodiadepines. In my first post i abstained from sounding rude but someone arguing about something they know NOTHING about except the facts they probably got from wikipedia and dailyfail really grinds my gears.

Well, nope. Those drugs are far too addictive and dangerous and addictive to be legal substances, IMHO. If I was going to illegalize alcohol and legalize one currently illegal drug, which drug would I legalize? It would probably be cannabis.

Yes,yes we all know how Acid and mushrooms can cause overdoses easily and are very addictive. Everybody who does LSD once finishes by taking i t everyday for months and thinking he is a glass of orange juice. Seriously though ketamine, LSD,Shrooms, and dexamp as long as youre not stupid are not dangerous at all. Ket and dexamp can cause addiction but it all comes to your control of your self. Now heroin is another story, but you should understand that if heroin was legalised it would mean less overdoses and deaths. WHy? because you would know the purity of it and the oh i got this bag last time most be the same shit leading to the user shootign upthe same dose he did with the last batch and OD'ing because the new one is of a better quality wouldnt happen. SO yes, it should actually be legalised. And like others said, it is way less destructive to your body than alcohol. And to the damage to brain, it is none when compared to alcohol who literally eats your brain. I have alot more phsycial issues now that i drink then i did when i used stimulants,weed,dissociatives etc.

 

[95Land]

No, I have not. Which is a very good thing. Doing drugs is a very dangerous and stupid behaviors to do, which is why I never have and I never will try out any sorts of drugs whatsoever.

If you've never done drugs, don't plan to do drugs, and think drugs and drug users are stupid, why have you posted 95 times on a site like BL?
I would recommend- http://www.knittingparadise.com/

 

[Elven Warriorr]

again, you're not really arguing with anything that I actually said. I never said that alcohol was a "hard" drug nor a "soft" one. IME cannabis alters my perception more when I am nontolerant than alcohol, but alcohol has always felt more euphoric to me and many others. nowadays, alcohol alters my consciousness 10x as much as cannabis, which I smoke perpetually.

but just for the sake of argument, I'd say that the degree of euphoria doesn't really determine whether a drug should be considered "hard", but rather the degree of mental clarity and functionality that one can typically maintain while on the drug, as well as the physical/mental harm it can cause a user in moderately high doses.

Alcohol is more euphoric than smoking cannabis is? That's totally false, and here's why. If alcohol is just so euphoric, why don't people ever state that they "get high" from drinking some alcohol? Nope, when some people are drunk, they just get so angry and nasty and violent, as well as depressed. I have never seen a super happy drunk person. Most people that get drunk don't get "high" and happy, like somebody that's smoking marijuana.

Also, how exactly does being drunk alter somebody's state of consciousness? Is it similar to what smoking marijuana does? Smoking marijuana has some very mild psychedelic and hallucinogenic effects. Is being drunk any similar to that?

 

[20max10]

Propaganda is a powerful tool
Kim Jong Il managed to convince the population of North Korea that he was the worlds best golf player. Compared to that convincing people a certain drug is less dangerous than others is a cakewalk

 

[Tryptamino]

Alcohol is more euphoric than smoking cannabis is? That's totally false, and here's why. If alcohol is just so euphoric, why don't people ever state that they "get high" from drinking some alcohol? Nope, when some people are drunk, they just get so angry and nasty and violent, as well as depressed. I have never seen a super happy drunk person. Most people that get drunk don't get "high" and happy, like somebody that's smoking marijuana.

Also, how exactly does being drunk alter somebody's state of consciousness? Is it similar to what smoking marijuana does? Smoking marijuana has some very mild psychedelic and hallucinogenic effects. Is being drunk any similar to that?

being drunk is more similar to amphetamines mixed with benzos IME. I get a gnarly rush after doing a good 4 consecutive shots of some nice hard liquor. And I dont get psychedelic effects from it, but some powerful dissociation.

Also, Ive never been anything other than a happy drunk, never gotten violent or depressed while under alcohol's influence.

And people dont say they're "high" on alcohol because the slang "drunk" is more ingrained in our cultural history, as is the notion that drugs and alcohol are different.

 

[Seyer]

Stop feeding the troll.

 

[anythingbutsober]

Alcohol is more euphoric than smoking cannabis is? That's totally false, and here's why. If alcohol is just so euphoric, why don't people ever state that they "get high" from drinking some alcohol? Nope, when some people are drunk, they just get so angry and nasty and violent, as well as depressed. I have never seen a super happy drunk person. Most people that get drunk don't get "high" and happy, like somebody that's smoking marijuana.

high & drunk are subjective terms just used to differentiate culturally between drugs & alcohol effects. just different words that mean essentially the same thing--not being sober.

also, i get super happy drunk almost every time i drink, so perhaps a fact-check is needed on your above statement.

 

[95Land]

What troll would have 95 posts and not have been run out already?

 

[anythingbutsober]

his 95 posts are nearly all identical.

 

[Elven Warriorr]

Well sorry to burst your bubble but not everybody likes living sober. And how can you fucking say that? you are implying lol most of bluelight behaves stupidly? While there are users that take their use to extreme amounts that can be dangerous, you shouldnt generalize like that. There are plenty of occasional users that get high from time to time and dont do anything stupid. ANd even those of us who abuse the hell out of substances, doesnt make us stupid. Some of the most smart people i have met are also some of the biggest drug users ive witnessed. Finally, like xxxyyy said, somebody who has never tried any mind altering sbustance talking facts about them is like a virgin talking facts about sex.

Again, youre in the wrong. I know people who use meth once a month, others who use cocaine a few times every year. I even know weekend cocaine users that never use on the week itself. WHihile it does take alot of self control,its definitly possible. Its just that being alcoholic is scoially acceptable compared to being a tweaker. And also, the you try it once and become instantly addicted is BULLSHIT. Some people try it and like it but become addicted progessively, not going on an endless binge instantly,some dont like it,etc. THe you get addicted from the first time is big time media bullshit. It depends for every indivudal,but no drug can cause instant physical depence.. You should get your facts from a better source then D.A.R.E.

Its ok to get drunk like a fish every weekend, but its ILLEGAL and dangerous to smoke a spliff to relax after work. That is what the governement makes you believe to discourage non drug educated people from doing other things. You have less chance to die from a pill of Mdma( i think one user in a 100 000,im not sure though), a line of speed, some mushrooms (you cant overdose on them, but you can get stuck in loops in your head and have a panic attack), than a night of drinking. The drugs that kill the most are alcohol and cigarettes. Im guilty of both but i accept they are more dangerous than a good part of the illegal ones. I seriously suggest you get some sticky green and smoke one up, that is you dont have any anxiety disorder(pop a benzo before if you do) or schizophrenia or other mental conditions that dont go together with weed. Take a few hits, sit back,relax and come tell me drugs are stupid, i chose weed because im sure you would go in a fit if i said something else. Im sure you wont do it because you believe too much in propaganda though. Have a good day.

Well, here's some big differences between alcohol and crystal meth.

A person can drink some alcohol in moderation over a long period of time, and not get brain damage, whereas even in moderation, crystal meth is a cause of brain damage. You can only get some brain damage from alcohol if you drink lots and lots of alcohol heavily and abuse the hell out of it.

And even though alcohol does cause some pretty horrible brain damages, that takes a very long time to develop. With crystal meth, the brain damage happens at much faster rates. Crystal meth takes as low as six months to cause brain damage, whereas that may take some years with even the heavy consumption of alcohol.

 

[Elven Warriorr]

Alcohol fucks up literally every part of your body. I have seen some long time alcoholics that literally like 20 years older than they are.. skin is a mess, there organs are shot, all these health issues.. Compared to long term H addiction, speaking of the psychical tole only, it's a huge difference. Most long time H addicts I know actually look much younger than they are. It's much easier on the body, organs, and skin than booze is. And any H addicts I've seen that do have that nasty look to them, were also alcoholics.

Alcoholism is one of the most harmful ways that some drugs can harm somebody's body. However, there's no reason to try and minimize the dangers of the usage of heroin. Heroin also causes some brain damage too, just like alcoholism does. Some heroin addicts look younger than they are yes, but they also look very sick and pale. Heroin is not easy on somebody's skin and face at all; heroin addicts look sickly and pale. At least moderate drinking, while it's most certainly not as healthy as some people claim that it is (as it still causes some cancers also), does not damage somebody's skin and face, and that does not cause brain damages.

 

[PurpleKush1]

Well, that's totally not true. Heroin can give people some pretty severe brain damages.

Also, there's one key difference. Alcohol can be used in moderation and without addiction, but that same statement cannot be stated about heroin, which is a far more addictive drug than alcohol ever is.

Well, here's some big differences between alcohol and crystal meth.

A person can drink some alcohol in moderation over a long period of time, and not get brain damage, whereas even in moderation, crystal meth is a cause of brain damage. You can only get some brain damage from alcohol if you drink lots and lots of alcohol heavily and abuse the hell out of it.

And even though alcohol does cause some pretty horrible brain damages, that takes a very long time to develop. With crystal meth, the brain damage happens at much faster rates. Crystal meth takes as low as six months to cause brain damage, whereas that may take some years with even the heavy consumption of alcohol.

And telle me please,where do you get your facts? anti-drug websites? Dam you dont cease to amaze me. Binge drink every weekend fro a year and you will definitly notice changes and lol, brain damge. Secondlhy you cant compare alcohol or meth. At all. Alc is a depressant,and meth is a stimulant,completly opposite. It DOES not take that long to develop brain damage from alcohol. Crystal on the other hand will not really damage you in the same way alcohol does if you dont abuse it, thats the real problem because the hardest is not get abuse it. By that i mean not staying up for a week until you are seeing shadow people and other paranoia induced shit. You right that it is damaging, but the people i know who use it rarely you would NEVER guess that they even us it.

Also good job on ignoring almost all my post, because you know im right and the only thing you responded to was what you thought you could try to contradict with your sorry ass arguments. I know im losign my time anyways arguing with somebody who knows ALL about drugs whitout even trying one haha. I think this isnt the right forum for you.

 

[Morphling]

Heroin will only cause brain damage if you nod out too much or overdose and deprive your brain of oxygen. Alcohol can kill you really easy, as well. You keep mentioning 'moderate use' of alcohol and then compare it to excessive abuse of whatever drug, and the comparison really isn't relevant when you try to compare things like that. A lot of people use drugs in moderation and have few side effects.

Shit, I've been doing drugs for 20 years, still look 18, and my IQ has never dropped since it was tested the first time in high school.

 

[PurpleKush1]

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Alcoholism is one of the most harmful ways that some drugs can harm somebody's body. However, there's no reason to try and minimize the dangers of the usage of heroin. Heroin also causes some brain damage too, just like alcoholism does. Some heroin addicts look younger than they are yes, but they also look very sick and pale. Heroin is not easy on somebody's skin and face at all; heroin addicts look sickly and pale. At least moderate drinking, while it's most certainly not as healthy as some people claim that it is (as it still causes some cancers also), does not damage somebody's skin and face, and that does not cause brain damages.

Dude really you are either a troll or you are trying to piss off everybody here get this in your head HEROIN DOES NOT CAUSE NEUROTOXICITY, AKA BRAIN DAMAGE, stop believing everything you see on D.A.R.E, you make yourself sound foolish.. Second, youre generaluizing is CHILDISH and sick. Not every H users are sicky and pale,there are some you wouldnt even know they use. You know NOTHING about heroin, i suggest you stop talking about it. `` does not damage somebody's skin and face, and that does not cause brain damages. `` so youre implying that when a drug damages somebody skin and face, the result is brain damage? i dont even....

 

[95Land]

his 95 posts are nearly all identical.

OK. I'll take your word for it cause I'm not reading through that shit.

 

[treezy z]

^tobacco withdrawals are just as bad as stimulant withdrawals. i feel like murdering someone or banging my head into a wall when i don't have nicotine.

 

[anythingbutsober]

i actually read that the relapse rate for tobacco is higher than any other drug. which didn't surprise me, because i tried to quit half a dozen times before it stuck. my fiance finally basically all but forced me to, although i'm glad he did.