anythingbutsober
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fair enough! i was super bored & my insomnia kicked in majorly... so i needed something mindless to do to put myself to sleep.
Alcohol Vs. Hard Drugs
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fair enough! i was super bored & my insomnia kicked in majorly... so i needed something mindless to do to put myself to sleep.
PurpleKush1
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You should really stop agruing aboutr something you dont understand. Once a month use of cocaine is as harmful as once a month heavy use of alcohol. Secondly what is the fucking goal to always little quanity of alcohol little quantiity of alcohol? most of the people who drink enough to at least feel an effect. Btw Crack and Coke are the same thing crack is cocaine in its freebase form,thus making it smokeable, and normal coke is hcl form, which makes it injectable and snortable but if you smoke it you destroy most of it properites. ^^from somebody that's addicted to this heroin drug.^^ LOL, this just shows your attitude towards drugs. You should go back to binge drinking in bars insteasd of coming on this forum, arguing about something you know fuck all about xcept what you read in your artickles ( btw did you now that alot of those so called statistics are biased and dont refeclt the reality? i gueess not he) and make yourself look like a total fool. While the article you quoted is somewhat tru, THIS DOES NOT APLLY TO ALL USSERS and thats what you have to understand. I really shouldnt be wasting my time with you but your IM beeter than you i dont do dem drugs they bad Is really pissing me off.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
Are you still posting Elvin?
Didn't we establish that you have no experience in these matters and therefore have no credibility or right to speak about any of this?
You do not know what you're talking about man. Literally almost everything you have said is wrong.
Why are you trying to tell people who have been doing this their entire life anything about this? It's embarrassing.
I could "research" plane engineering all I wanted, read whatever "articles" I could..but If I've never worked a plane, I still wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about.
Anyway, I'm done arguing with you.. it's ridiculous. You're clearly trolling anyway.
Didn't we establish that you have no experience in these matters and therefore have no credibility or right to speak about any of this?
You do not know what you're talking about man. Literally almost everything you have said is wrong.
Why are you trying to tell people who have been doing this their entire life anything about this? It's embarrassing.
I could "research" plane engineering all I wanted, read whatever "articles" I could..but If I've never worked a plane, I still wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about.
Anyway, I'm done arguing with you.. it's ridiculous. You're clearly trolling anyway.
anythingbutsober
Bluelighter
i would never go onto a message board to spew "facts" about fashion or mechanical engineering or stock market investing, because i know next to NOTHING about those subjects.
i don't mean this to be rude, elven warriorr, but you have about as much credibility on here as i would have trying to teach a herd of elephants about elephants. they ARE elephants; they don't need to hear a bunch of false stereotypes or propaganda to know about what they do & who they are.
it'd be better for everyone if you just quit while you're way, way behind.
i don't mean this to be rude, elven warriorr, but you have about as much credibility on here as i would have trying to teach a herd of elephants about elephants. they ARE elephants; they don't need to hear a bunch of false stereotypes or propaganda to know about what they do & who they are.
it'd be better for everyone if you just quit while you're way, way behind.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
Any drug can be used in small doses without becoming "intoxicated", and as far as intoxicating effects, alcohol gets you way more messed up and sloppy then anything else. A moderate dose of heroin for example that doesn't have you nodding out, you still have all your fine motor functions, speech isn't slurred, you can walk straight, vision isn't impaired, etc. Not true for alcohol, and it doesn't even take much...You'd know that if you ever did heroin but you haven't, and don't tell me what some stupid article says written by somebody who also has never done it..
The evidence that refutes the articles you quoted is us, all we've seen and experienced in our entire lives of doing this, the people you are talking to who know it to be false by actually doing this for years and years and years and who have friends who have done it for as long too.
Like I said, in practice, when you've been doing something your whole life and become an expert (as in any field) you just know things. And no amount of reading, especially when it comes to drugs because 90% of info on the net is not true and only written to scare people away from using. Some of it that is true, only happens in incredibly rare occasions, to small amounts of people etc. Again, you would know that if you actually were in this world and not a total laymen reading shit on the internet and thinking that gives you any credibility.
95Land
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I wasn't meaning to criticize you. Just saying I couldn't possibly read through his posts.
Fact of the matter is you probably deserve a award of some kind. Seriously. :D
anythingbutsober
Bluelighter
no worries, i was 100% not offended
also, i like my awards to come in the form of gold stars or written/verbal praise :D
some solid points on all sides being made here! me personally, i love to drink! i've developed a taste for really great craft beers, and i also really enjoy a glass of nice scotch. with that said, i'm well aware of the negative effects alcohol has on the body, and they are many. alcohol makes people act foolish, but the overwhelming majority get that out of their systems by their mid 20's and are able to enjoy it responsibly! as far as the addiction potential is concerned, again it comes down to the person. the potential for a serious physical and mental addiction is without a doubt present, and certain people seem pre-disposed in a big way. still, i believe that compared to opiates, the addiction potential isn't nearly as pronounced.
for me, i see the potential for dependence, so i try and keep it spaced out. by that, i mean that if i consume say 12 drinks per week, i would rather have them all in a night or 2, rather than getting into the habit of needing a few each night to relax after work ect. thats where the addictions seem to take route with alot of the people, and then the amount seems to increase. then 5-10 years down the road, boom, needing to have a pint of popov
or some other cheap plastic bottle in your possession at all times for when you need a nip! thats no way to live!
one of the biggest negatives with regards to booze is the driving impaired. thats a serious problem, but one thats hardly exclusive to alcohol. how many of us have driven or been in the car with people who are deep in the land of nod? the legal/illegal arguments are also valid, but are not IMO the be-all end-all arguments that some seem to harp on. moonshine is illegal, yet the damage it causes is no worse than jack daniels, except for the rare cases of it being poisonous, which is greatly overblown! the bottom line is, that regardless of what substance we are talking about, the majority have the ability to cause harm when misused! it all comes down to the individual, but alcohol should definitely be treated with respect!
for me, i see the potential for dependence, so i try and keep it spaced out. by that, i mean that if i consume say 12 drinks per week, i would rather have them all in a night or 2, rather than getting into the habit of needing a few each night to relax after work ect. thats where the addictions seem to take route with alot of the people, and then the amount seems to increase. then 5-10 years down the road, boom, needing to have a pint of popov
or some other cheap plastic bottle in your possession at all times for when you need a nip! thats no way to live!one of the biggest negatives with regards to booze is the driving impaired. thats a serious problem, but one thats hardly exclusive to alcohol. how many of us have driven or been in the car with people who are deep in the land of nod? the legal/illegal arguments are also valid, but are not IMO the be-all end-all arguments that some seem to harp on. moonshine is illegal, yet the damage it causes is no worse than jack daniels, except for the rare cases of it being poisonous, which is greatly overblown! the bottom line is, that regardless of what substance we are talking about, the majority have the ability to cause harm when misused! it all comes down to the individual, but alcohol should definitely be treated with respect!
PurpleKush1
Bluelighter
^^The truth.Are you still posting Elvin?
Didn't we establish that you have no experience in these matters and therefore have no credibility or right to speak about any of this?
You do not know what you're talking about man. Literally almost everything you have said is wrong.
Why are you trying to tell people who have been doing this their entire life anything about this? It's embarrassing.
I could "research" plane engineering all I wanted, read whatever "articles" I could..but If I've never worked a plane, I still wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about.
Anyway, I'm done arguing with you.. it's ridiculous. You're clearly trolling anyway.
See we dont need evidence elvin because when you do get mashed for years you just KNOW shit,the drug scene and world is something you have to have been part of and lived to understand well, you will never understand it by reading your bullshit articles on the internet. ANd please just quit it with the lacohol argument, a small bump of coke,a few hits of a joint or a low dose of mdma wont get you intoxicated, you will feel light effects and maybe a little euphoria, but you wont be fucked up thats what i mean, thats all but again you wont believe this tahnks to your articles LOL. If you knew some alcoholics honestly you woould shut up about the alcohol you have no idea how much damages it does!
I agree 100 %, i dont get why is he so stuborn when he clearly sees that his facts are bullshit and thats he is talking about something he doesnt understand? I think thats why we get the Moderate Dose of Alcohol response everytime we make a point.
Word. Alcohol gets you fucked up in bad way,sloppy and inadequate, compared to for example opiates. I have no problem being with somebody moderately high or nodding on oppies, but somebody drunk when im not gets on my nerves eventually. And youre going to be alot mor adequate on a moderate dose of oppies then a moderate dose of alcohol (not drunk but not sober).
Bust
Bluelighter
What about Adderall, benzos(low doses), low doses of Ketamine (pain management eg), opiates at doses suitable for self doesnt get you high.. Buprenorphine, Tramadol (if it works at all) Dont have experience about methadone so cant add it to the list but there are plenty of drugs you can take without being intoxicated. I used to down lot of beer but nowadays the first Ale gives me a relaxation, which surpasses the vibes i get off small dose of med tier opiate etc. Sorry if my post if a mess, me too
On topic: Being a nurse I've seen numerous alcoholics, at various stages.. Some are so mess they just shit their pants and sleep all day. Moderation is the key!
PurpleKush1
Bluelighter
You should really learn to stop when its time. You know FUCKALL about drugs and even alcohol for that matter. Have you ever lived with an alcohlic? have you seen alocohol withdrawal - delirium tremens? do ytou have any fucking idea what it is to the family members that live an alcoholic? judgin by your idiotic galmorizing of alcohol, NO you dont. ANd for you information, mr know it all, its very easy to become addicted to alcohol. It starts of psyhcologically and ends with physical dependece. Just as easy as with Heroin or Crystal meth. And if you drink alot the amount of time iit takes to have sever withdrawals from alcohol is yes more then say heroin, but those withdrawals are as sever and incapaciting, worse on some levels like the delirium it induces. ANd for fucks sake meth doesnt have really that much physical dependence, ive done enough to know what im talking about. See ive experienced and tested and lived what the fuck your trying to critisize and talk about, i dont need facts from some bullshit doctor paid to do so. Alcohol is one of the worst drugs that exists. ANd its fucking easy to get addicted to. So stop spewing you bullshit, you havent lived that you dont know what youre talking about go back to your so great sober life we dont need somebody who knows it all and who continues to try and impose his bullshit about a subject he NEVER WILL UNDERSTAND on BL. Drop it and dont come back please.
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Thorns Have Roses
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elvenwarrior said:
Please look up the definition of "addiction," one does not and cannot become instantly addicted. If you had any familiarity with the substances you've mentioned (meth and heroin), you would know that the pattern of behavior that leads to addiction is identical with that of ethanol. Generally speaking, occasional use deteriorates into 24/7 use. And personally, I'm an alcoholic, and have had my experience with both methamphetamine and (intravenous) heroin, but it's only the booze that I've become addicted to. Dependency (i.e. physical addiction) may be hard to develop with ethanol, and I've managed to avoid it (aside from a couple of brief scrapes), but that has made my psychological dependency all the more compelling, because I know I can get away with a psychological addiction without worrying about maintaining my habit. Granted, having anxiety to the point of not functioning in society, I may have a stronger predilection towards GABAergics than other drugs.
treezy z
Bluelighter
on a side note a family member of mine just got pancreatitis from alcohol, she's in the hospital.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
Again, the idea of someone becoming "instantly" addicted to heroin or meth is bullshit and complete propaganda.. something you would know if you had even the slightest bit of experience. What I meant in that post was how long it takes to develop a psychical dependency. And, yes alcohol usually takes longer to develop withdrawals from than other substances, but opiates for example still take weeks and weeks of everyday use in the very beginning before causing psychical dependency. Benzos are the same way. After time, one becomes dependent much faster, and the same holds true for alcohol after repeated psychical addictions.
Also, there is no psychical dependency to meth, so... and like I said, the idea of becoming addicted "instantly" to anything is a plane old scare tactic and not true at all.
The fact you're still trying to debate with us about this is ridiculous. Alcohol kills way more people a year than any other drug. To call it "soft drug" is foolish and shows that you have zero concept of the world you live in and have probably never met anybody addicted to alcohol (which is a lot of people)
Sherminator2
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It took me 7 years of opiate use to finally become addicted to them, so the whole, one time and you're hooked is bullshit. I've also used meth, IV and insufflated cocaine, and numerous other drugs and never been addicted to any of them. I'd say alcohol is more toxic to your body than almost any other drug, and is highly addictive. I would put it just below heroin and meth, and on par with cocaine in terms of being a hard drug (except IV cocaine which would be more on par with meth/H, but I'd say even crack is not any worse than heavy drinking.
Elven Warriorr
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Unless somebody is genetically predisposed to alcoholism (which is basically just the sole exceptions to this), I have never heard of anybody becoming instantly addicted to alcohol, which sometimes happens with heroin and crystal methamphetamines. And besides, nowhere did I state that everybody that tries out heroin becomes a heroin addict instantly after trying out these substances, I simply stated that that can sometimes happen.
Moderate drinking (which is actually nowhere near as healthy as some people may claim that it is), this actually causes way less cancer-related deaths than smoking cigarettes does, and it also doesn't cause any brain damage, as well as the fact that drinking some alcohol is nowhere near as carcinogenic as smoking cigarettes is, despite the fact that it doesn't really have some health benefits, as some uninformed people may state about the moderate consumption of alcoholic beverages. It's actually not the most toxic drug to somebody's body.
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Mr.Scagnattie
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Did you not read any of our posts after you made that stupid claim the first time? NO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. That is a media scare tactic put out there plain and simple. It is psychically impossible.
dankhead88
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I've done meth. Didn't touch it again for a year.
I never got addicted to heroin my first time using it. Didn't use it again until a month later.
I've seen alcohol destroy families. A lot of my friends tell me about their alcoholic fathers and how physically abusive he was, or how a lot of their parents lost jobs or killed themselves because of drinking on a daily bases. My dad and older brother also was an abusive alcoholic. When they're not drinking they're fine, but when they're stressed, they use alcohol as a crutch, and they cannot control their anger when they're on alcohol.
I do admit, I have been a meth addict for 4 months and have been addicted to opiates on and off, but never have I committed any acts of violence, crime, or burglary due to my drug use. I've also been an alcoholic here and there, and I have had angry and almost violent reactions from little things that pisses me off and have had far more close encounters with the law with alcohol compared to drugs.
alcohol kills in the hundreds of thousands
where illegal drugs are probably in the tens if not less thousands.
i've met functional methamphetamine and heroin users. I've met functional addicts. I've met functional alcoholics, I've met wrecks and I've met successful people.
Should alcohol be considered a "hard" drug? I think so. Should it be illegal? No
Ever heard of the Heroin assisted treatment in Switzerland? Switzerland started a treatment for Heroin users, by giving addicts pure heroin on a schedule and surprisingly, it has had a really good success rate for helping addicts maintain a normal life.
I never got addicted to heroin my first time using it. Didn't use it again until a month later.
I've seen alcohol destroy families. A lot of my friends tell me about their alcoholic fathers and how physically abusive he was, or how a lot of their parents lost jobs or killed themselves because of drinking on a daily bases. My dad and older brother also was an abusive alcoholic. When they're not drinking they're fine, but when they're stressed, they use alcohol as a crutch, and they cannot control their anger when they're on alcohol.
I do admit, I have been a meth addict for 4 months and have been addicted to opiates on and off, but never have I committed any acts of violence, crime, or burglary due to my drug use. I've also been an alcoholic here and there, and I have had angry and almost violent reactions from little things that pisses me off and have had far more close encounters with the law with alcohol compared to drugs.
alcohol kills in the hundreds of thousands
where illegal drugs are probably in the tens if not less thousands.
i've met functional methamphetamine and heroin users. I've met functional addicts. I've met functional alcoholics, I've met wrecks and I've met successful people.
Should alcohol be considered a "hard" drug? I think so. Should it be illegal? No
Ever heard of the Heroin assisted treatment in Switzerland? Switzerland started a treatment for Heroin users, by giving addicts pure heroin on a schedule and surprisingly, it has had a really good success rate for helping addicts maintain a normal life.
NerdOnDrugs
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Alcohol is a hard-drug by almost every standard, it's only because humans have been using it for so long that we simply refer to it as "drinking". There are people who literally don't know that alcohol is a drug.
If alcohol had just been discovered recently, our society would treat it just like H or meth.
If alcohol had just been discovered recently, our society would treat it just like H or meth.
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