helium-4
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Yeah, tap water has a bunch of chemicals in it which can potentially be harmful to the chemical compound (not particular sure on if this is 100% true with the 2c-e molecule specifically, but there is no point risking it).
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☛ Official ☚ [2C-E Subthread] 2C-E Storage and Solubility
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Any experience with food coloring agents in the solutions? I am thinking it would be smart to color the solutions as well as labeling to ensure that nothing bad comes out of having a clear solution lying around similar to what erowid says to do about ghb solutions.
I think 1/8 cup = 6.25 mg dose would be best for those who are put off by this whole situation of making solutions.
This is a simple dilution of the goods in the solution that should be pretty accurate. This should mean that you can go to the store, by a set of labelled measuring cups, and make your solution with essentially no problems. The dilution size of 30 ml solvent to 6.25 mg goods makes this pretty easy to do and feel safe dosing.
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Should go something like this:
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2 cups worth of solvent (check past pages)
100 mg worth of goodies
2 cups = 480-500 ml
480/2=240(1cup)/8= 1/8 cup = 6.25 mg/30 ml per dose
500/2=250/8= 31.25 ml = 6 mg/30 ml dose
Stupid measuring systems are the only drawback in this method, but they aren't much of a hinder.
Following either type of set gets you in a nice measurable dose range, IMO. I don't see any need to put much more or less of the goods in solution, this is fairly reasonable unless you want to be extra safe and only put 50 mg in the solution to get you within a 3 mg per 30 mg range. The benefits of this method are that you can feel safer while still using a shittier scale.
I would suggest that the younger crowd at least dilutes the solutions considerably for many obvious reasons. I also think coloring agents would help deter some from mistaking it for water. End post.
I think 1/8 cup = 6.25 mg dose would be best for those who are put off by this whole situation of making solutions.
This is a simple dilution of the goods in the solution that should be pretty accurate. This should mean that you can go to the store, by a set of labelled measuring cups, and make your solution with essentially no problems. The dilution size of 30 ml solvent to 6.25 mg goods makes this pretty easy to do and feel safe dosing.
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Should go something like this:
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2 cups worth of solvent (check past pages)
100 mg worth of goodies
2 cups = 480-500 ml
480/2=240(1cup)/8= 1/8 cup = 6.25 mg/30 ml per dose
500/2=250/8= 31.25 ml = 6 mg/30 ml dose
Stupid measuring systems are the only drawback in this method, but they aren't much of a hinder.
Following either type of set gets you in a nice measurable dose range, IMO. I don't see any need to put much more or less of the goods in solution, this is fairly reasonable unless you want to be extra safe and only put 50 mg in the solution to get you within a 3 mg per 30 mg range. The benefits of this method are that you can feel safer while still using a shittier scale.
I would suggest that the younger crowd at least dilutes the solutions considerably for many obvious reasons. I also think coloring agents would help deter some from mistaking it for water. End post.
Yes, I've dyed my solutions in various colors.
My suggestion is that you use much smaller volumes of solvent. The idea of a concentrated solution might sound dangerous but on the other hand, is the chance that someone is going to chug a small vial of blue liquid smaller than when it is sitting in a sports drink bottle or something?
The upside to a large volume could be that the vile taste should make someone sneeze what they are accidentally drinking, so there should be a smaller amount ingested before the sneezing.
A downside is that having larger bottles sit around isn't very practical.
I say make a little vial, dye the solution blue (this combination would make it look like a chemical poison already wouldn't you agree?) Then to be sure print a label stating the contents and that it is dangerous and tape it on there extra well.
Storing in a fridge is normally the way to go, but only if everyone with access to that fridge
understands the contents and hazards.
My suggestion is that you use much smaller volumes of solvent. The idea of a concentrated solution might sound dangerous but on the other hand, is the chance that someone is going to chug a small vial of blue liquid smaller than when it is sitting in a sports drink bottle or something?
The upside to a large volume could be that the vile taste should make someone sneeze what they are accidentally drinking, so there should be a smaller amount ingested before the sneezing.
A downside is that having larger bottles sit around isn't very practical.
I say make a little vial, dye the solution blue (this combination would make it look like a chemical poison already wouldn't you agree?) Then to be sure print a label stating the contents and that it is dangerous and tape it on there extra well.
Storing in a fridge is normally the way to go, but only if everyone with access to that fridge
understands the contents and hazards.
I was trying to speak to the younger ones who will inevitably find their way towards this type of thing. I have no reason to do this myself, .001 mg scale and .1 ml pipettes give all kinds of fun and less dilution is good enough for me however many can only get a .01 scale for cheap.
The best suggestion would be to not do it at a younger age I guess, but even in a dorm type situation, this would ensure the best safety for those who have others around their stuff too often. This could also be divided again to ensure further safety. Split the volume of solution you made into two bottles, 50 mg in a bottle is a pretty comfortable level to have around compared to a much more concentrated one.
As I said before, this is just in the effort for the younger ones. They would have better luck with this advice than eyeballing it or making a concentrated solution and not understanding its concentration. The best bet would be to wait though.
The best suggestion would be to not do it at a younger age I guess, but even in a dorm type situation, this would ensure the best safety for those who have others around their stuff too often. This could also be divided again to ensure further safety. Split the volume of solution you made into two bottles, 50 mg in a bottle is a pretty comfortable level to have around compared to a much more concentrated one.
As I said before, this is just in the effort for the younger ones. They would have better luck with this advice than eyeballing it or making a concentrated solution and not understanding its concentration. The best bet would be to wait though.
Hello,
everyone is always talking about making a concentrated solution of 2C-E with water and alcohol to get like 10-30mg / ml of the resulting liquid. But what I want to do is make a non-concentrated one, and mixing mg's of 2C-E into 4x as many ml's of distilled water, so like 250mg's of 2C-E into 1000ml of distilled water, resulting in 10mg's of 2C-E per 40ml of water. Is this in any way a BAD idea? Some of my friends are worried about solubility. Is there anything worth mentioning about this? I'm also worried that this might not work, because everyone wants a concentrated solution. Is it because my method would be untrustable? Or is everyone here simply good at chemistry and prefer the more professional methods?
Please help! Thank you!
everyone is always talking about making a concentrated solution of 2C-E with water and alcohol to get like 10-30mg / ml of the resulting liquid. But what I want to do is make a non-concentrated one, and mixing mg's of 2C-E into 4x as many ml's of distilled water, so like 250mg's of 2C-E into 1000ml of distilled water, resulting in 10mg's of 2C-E per 40ml of water. Is this in any way a BAD idea? Some of my friends are worried about solubility. Is there anything worth mentioning about this? I'm also worried that this might not work, because everyone wants a concentrated solution. Is it because my method would be untrustable? Or is everyone here simply good at chemistry and prefer the more professional methods?
Please help! Thank you!
rocknroll702
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sweet how long does 2c-e last is it a smart drug like 2c-d?
rocknroll702
Bluelighter
hmm ive heard from everyone thats done 2c-x that 2c-i and 2c-b were the most desirable.
how would you compare it to 2c-i and 2c-b?
how would you compare it to 2c-i and 2c-b?
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Thorns Have Roses
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Why don't you read about them in the appropriate threads or ask in the appropriate threads. Let's stick to talk about the solubility and storage of 2c-e in this one.
You may want to look here (in addition to their specific B&D threads):
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/454213-The-Main-2C-X-Comparison-Thread
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/276927-What-s-your-favorite-2C-X
You may want to look here (in addition to their specific B&D threads):
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/454213-The-Main-2C-X-Comparison-Thread
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/276927-What-s-your-favorite-2C-X
HofmannBlotter
Bluelighter
Hello!
Sorry being annoying, but I know someone who have some 2C-E in dry form (powder) since 2007 (5 Yo). He's going to trade some with some stuff of me. I was wondering if he's going to rip me off? He said the 2C-E was stored in proper conditions. Should I expect degradation of the chemical ?
I don't remember well, but I read somewhere that PEA (2C-X) can last many many years (more than a lifetime) in dry powder, is that true ??
Sorry being annoying, but I know someone who have some 2C-E in dry form (powder) since 2007 (5 Yo). He's going to trade some with some stuff of me. I was wondering if he's going to rip me off? He said the 2C-E was stored in proper conditions. Should I expect degradation of the chemical ?
I don't remember well, but I read somewhere that PEA (2C-X) can last many many years (more than a lifetime) in dry powder, is that true ??
delta_9
Bluelighter
Indeed you should.(I have no way of knowing by how much however) This way you wont be surpirsed or dissapointed. Either way you are taking a leap of faith here. Just keep this in mind and dose accordingly. Maybe start with a dose that is just at threshold level and see if you feel anything?
It is, however the way in which these compounds are stored makes all the difference. The main culprits here are of course heat, light, moisture, and air. If a compound is kept free from these it will extend its shelf life manyfold.
Don't be silly, this is why we're here.
HofmannBlotter
Bluelighter
Thanks for your answer, he said he kept his 2C-E in a mettalic box with some dessicant. Should be fine no ?
delta_9
Bluelighter
Should be
I have 118 mg that I want to dissolve into water and then dose using a syringe, but I'm not sure how much water to dissolve it in? I'd like each does to be *about* 10 mg, if it's off a little bit that's all right. I was thinking 100mg in 100mL = 10mg per every 10mL so 118mg in 100mL would equal 11.8mg per every 10mg, but I don't think this is accurate. Help a bitch out?
twelvesevndi
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liquid measurement is perfectly accurate
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/286239-The-Big-amp-Dandy-Liquid-Measurement-thread
and you seem to have the ratios worked out correctly. you could use 118 mL if you want all of your 2C-E in a 1 mg / mL solution.
good luck. remember to stir and shake for a long time. 2C-E is always difficult to get into solution for me.
Mandelbrot
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If you're worrying whether your material will dissolve properly, buy a cheap ultrasonic cleaner. The type used for cleaning jewellery at home. Let your vessel, containing both the solvent and the material, stand in it for a a few minutes. This works for volumes <250 ml. If you don't make it super-saturated, that should put it into solution permanently.
Swedish Penguin
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Does anyone have suggestions for finding out the concentration of a solution of 2c-e in alcohol/h2o? It was previously at a concentration of 1ml = 2mgs but some evaporated/leaked out and I have no idea how much is in there.
Im sure someone has been in this situation before. Obviously easiest solution is to just try a very small dose and slowly work my way up over a number of doses to get some sort of idea as to the strength. Other ideas such as evaporating the liquid somehow, either in a large dish or using heat. Thanks.
Im sure someone has been in this situation before. Obviously easiest solution is to just try a very small dose and slowly work my way up over a number of doses to get some sort of idea as to the strength. Other ideas such as evaporating the liquid somehow, either in a large dish or using heat. Thanks.
sn23
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First of all, transfer the liquid into a well closing container 
. Depending on how much solution you have, evaporation looks like the easiest to me. Take a vial that can hold a reasonable amount of liquid (say 10-15 ml), weigh it a few times and calculate the mean value. Then add 10-15 ml of your solution and try to be as precise as possible. Take a syringe for that because you can read them to a accuracy of 0.5 ml usually. Now let the alcohol/water evaporate (speeding the process up with a fan or an oven at ca. 50-70 °C is possible) until the vial + residue have constant weight. Make sure you weigh, when the vial has room temperature. Calculate the mean value again and subtract the mean value of the empty vial. Divide this by the amount of liquid you evaporated and you have your concentration in mg/ml.
It is not important how much liquid you use, as long as you know the amount, and aim for a weight difference that is reasonable with regard to the accuracy of your scales. 10-15 ml should yield about 20-30 mg in this case (a tad higher, if some of the solvent evaporated, as you're suspecting).
If this way is not feasible you could still evaporate all of the solution and weigh the total amount of residue. Or just transfer all of it into a well closing container (preventing further evaporation, leakage) and titrate up starting with a reasonably safe amount (depending on how much you think has evaporated plus a generous safety margin).
Good luck
. Depending on how much solution you have, evaporation looks like the easiest to me. Take a vial that can hold a reasonable amount of liquid (say 10-15 ml), weigh it a few times and calculate the mean value. Then add 10-15 ml of your solution and try to be as precise as possible. Take a syringe for that because you can read them to a accuracy of 0.5 ml usually. Now let the alcohol/water evaporate (speeding the process up with a fan or an oven at ca. 50-70 °C is possible) until the vial + residue have constant weight. Make sure you weigh, when the vial has room temperature. Calculate the mean value again and subtract the mean value of the empty vial. Divide this by the amount of liquid you evaporated and you have your concentration in mg/ml.It is not important how much liquid you use, as long as you know the amount, and aim for a weight difference that is reasonable with regard to the accuracy of your scales. 10-15 ml should yield about 20-30 mg in this case (a tad higher, if some of the solvent evaporated, as you're suspecting).
If this way is not feasible you could still evaporate all of the solution and weigh the total amount of residue. Or just transfer all of it into a well closing container (preventing further evaporation, leakage) and titrate up starting with a reasonably safe amount (depending on how much you think has evaporated plus a generous safety margin).
Good luck