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Phenethylamines [25X-NBOMe Subthread] Comparisons & General Discussion

infantannihilator said:
thats insane.

how did he go about titrating up to 10mg?
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really slowly at first, 500 ug at first, then another. Then eventually the entire liquid solution. Once that was done and there were still no effects he started eyeballing the powder and snorting tiny amounts. No effects until a rather largish amount was consumed at once. Pretty sure tolerance played a part too.

Personally I think the problem was something to do with the BBB.
 
I have tried 25I at 1mg and 1.5mgs. I have also tried 25C at 0.5mg, and tonight I will try it at 1mg. I'll be sure to type up some comparisons between the 2 compounds. Tonight will be my first night-trip, so I need to factor this into the experience. The others were outside during the day. One was solo. Tonight will also be solo.
 
I noticed that the big and dandy 25i thread was closed. I recently had my first assay camping with my best friend. Here are my initial impressions, not quite amounting to a trip report:


1. I prepared a solution with ~1/12th polysorbate-20, 1/12 ethanol, and 11/12 water, at 1 mg/ml / 25i. In retrospect, that much polysorbate was overkill, making an outright sudsy solution that also tasted pretty soapy, but that was also quite tolerable.
2. Holding the solution in my mouth for 1/2 an hour led to opulent salivation...gawd, to the point of there being like 10 ml of saliva in my mouth near the end of the requisite half-hour.
3. I went with 1 mg as my attack dose, which...well, it would have sucked if I ended up super-sensitive to the vasoconstriction (I actually experienced none that I could perceive), but I'm in damn good shape from bike-training. It ended up being nearly the perfect level of effects (well, I like to trip moderately).
4. This kicks in a lot more slowly than 25c taken sublingually. With 25c, visuals begin to manifest for me about a forty minutes after administration of the drug (yes, just a tad after I swallow the solution). With the 25i, it took more like 1.25 hours, but there were clear alerts and bodily effects prior to this point.
5. Nasal redosing with two consecutive .5 mg boosters about 1.5 and 2 hours into the experience was pretty effective (with some notable tachyphylaxis). Pain was quite mild and brief...and the soapy drip was minimal.
6. The ratio of mental effects to visuals is a great deal higher with 25i than with 25c. While I find 25c mostly silly, I found the 25i to lead to very hearty fits of laughter and occasional cosmic insights (mostly concerning the fundamental properties of being that condition our place as observers of and in the universe as a total system).
7. The body feel was lighter than with 25c (and WAY lighter than with 2ci)...but somehow more stimulating. My epidermis was often electrified, this electricity often spilling into waves of laughter and visual 'pulses' that were an aspect of 'trailing'.
8. It was really clear-headed (nearly as much as sobriety)...until it came time to decide to do something. At one point, I felt totally collected...but then noticed that I couldn't handle deciding what, exactly, to do first when trying to wash some dishes in a basin (already containing soapy water!).
9. The visuals were really pretty but quite dependent on existing input (of the kind that allows visual-cortical feedback loops, eg speckled dirt and leaves or asphalt). Once night fell, or when I closed my eyes, there were nearly no visuals. However, shining a flashlight at the ground, I was compelled to note, "The patterns were hiding from me the whole time!". Near the peak, if I 'zoned out' staring at something, the patterns from given objects would 'decouple' from those objects, merge with a translucent, spiderwebish membrane of patterns, and sweep around, as a pattern that pervades everything.
10. I'd say that the entire experience lasted about 7 hours, with things getting quite subtle at the 4.5 hour mark. But I also enjoy etizolam near bed time at the end of my psychedelic experiences.

ebola
 
ebola? said:
I noticed that the big and dandy 25i thread was closed. I recently had my first assay camping with my best friend. Here are my initial impressions, not quite amounting to a trip report:


1. I prepared a solution with ~1/12th polysorbate-20, 1/12 ethanol, and 11/12 water, at 1 mg/ml / 25i. In retrospect, that much polysorbate was overkill, making an outright sudsy solution that also tasted pretty soapy, but that was also quite tolerable.
2. Holding the solution in my mouth for 1/2 an hour led to opulent salivation...gawd, to the point of there being like 10 ml of saliva in my mouth near the end of the requisite half-hour.
3. I went with 1 mg as my attack dose, which...well, it would have sucked if I ended up super-sensitive to the vasoconstriction (I actually experienced none that I could perceive), but I'm in damn good shape from bike-training. It ended up being nearly the perfect level of effects (well, I like to trip moderately).
4. This kicks in a lot more slowly than 25c taken sublingually. With 25c, visuals begin to manifest for me about a forty minutes after administration of the drug (yes, just a tad after I swallow the solution). With the 25i, it took more like 1.25 hours, but there were clear alerts and bodily effects prior to this point.
5. Nasal redosing with two consecutive .5 mg boosters about 1.5 and 2 hours into the experience was pretty effective (with some notable tachyphylaxis). Pain was quite mild and brief...and the soapy drip was minimal.
6. The ratio of mental effects to visuals is a great deal higher with 25i than with 25c. While I find 25c mostly silly, I found the 25i to lead to very hearty fits of laughter and occasional cosmic insights (mostly concerning the fundamental properties of being that condition our place as observers of and in the universe as a total system).
7. The body feel was lighter than with 25c (and WAY lighter than with 2ci)...but somehow more stimulating. My epidermis was often electrified, this electricity often spilling into waves of laughter and visual 'pulses' that were an aspect of 'trailing'.
8. It was really clear-headed (nearly as much as sobriety)...until it came time to decide to do something. At one point, I felt totally collected...but then noticed that I couldn't handle deciding what, exactly, to do first when trying to wash some dishes in a basin (already containing soapy water!).
9. The visuals were really pretty but quite dependent on existing input (of the kind that allows visual-cortical feedback loops, eg speckled dirt and leaves or asphalt). Once night fell, or when I closed my eyes, there were nearly no visuals. However, shining a flashlight at the ground, I was compelled to note, "The patterns were hiding from me the whole time!". Near the peak, if I 'zoned out' staring at something, the patterns from given objects would 'decouple' from those objects, merge with a translucent, spiderwebish membrane of patterns, and sweep around, as a pattern that pervades everything.
10. I'd say that the entire experience lasted about 7 hours, with things getting quite subtle at the 4.5 hour mark. But I also enjoy etizolam near bed time at the end of my psychedelic experiences.

ebola
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Interesting that you feel 25I has a lighter body feeling. I felt this in a way, but in a way it also felt more harsh. The memory the nbomes have in my mind is the over-the-top visuals with comparatively low body high compared to other psychedelics I have done. It's like they are in a class of their own, and that's a neutral thing. They are not the greatest psychedelics, but they are really great drugs for visuals.
 
Which gives the least headfuck or most clarity? I want to be able to talk and string sentences together in responce
Have both I & C, this will basically determine between the 2 for first to try tbh
 
I found a dose of at least 1mg of 25I made it very difficult for me to speak fluently. I have only solo tripped with 25C at doses of 0.5mg and 1mg, so I'm afraid I can't comment on conversation abilities, but the head fuck certainly felt less. I personally feel that C would be the better one to try first. I is crazy.
 
bloodshed344 said:
That's cool that you're worried about that more than coma or organ failure or any the other dangerous side effects that could come as a result of this combo. (Synth'noids do this on their own in overdose in very rare cases, nBOMes have also done this if I recall correctly, so don't tell me the risk doesnt increase when they are done at the same time, I highly doubt they don't potentiate each other.)

Remember folks, don't smoke "synth'noids" on an nBOMe unless you're a reckless drug user (as opposed to a recreational one like myself)
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I wouldn't say stay away from synthetic cannabinoids on nbome, just make sure to vape/smoke about half or a quarter of your normal dose. They are very useful on the comedown to extend the duration of the trip. Vaping 500-1000ug (estimated, based on a larger measurement on a milligram scale) amounts of 5-fluoro-UR-144 or JWH-018 every 1-2 hours on the comedown of my NBOMe trips has become a habit of mine, in fact I do it nearly every time. The two drugs synergize very well and the cannabinoid serves to add more visual flavor and mindfuck to the trip. By repeatedly dosing, you can extend the duration of the peak significantly. Of course, cannabis and cannabis concentrates can also serve the same purpose, but I find that synthetic cannabinoids put much less of a strain on my wallet (smoking any material also causes me stomach discomfort). In addition, the vasodilative effects of cannabinoids can relieve a lot of the negative body load you may encounter on 2C-x-NBOMe chemicals.
 
HazelCloud said:
I wouldn't say stay away from synthetic cannabinoids on nbome, just make sure to vape/smoke about half or a quarter of your normal dose. They are very useful on the comedown to extend the duration of the trip. Vaping 500-1000ug (estimated, based on a larger measurement on a milligram scale) amounts of 5-fluoro-UR-144 or JWH-018 every 1-2 hours on the comedown of my NBOMe trips has become a habit of mine, in fact I do it nearly every time. The two drugs synergize very well and the cannabinoid serves to add more visual flavor and mindfuck to the trip. By repeatedly dosing, you can extend the duration of the peak significantly. Of course, cannabis and cannabis concentrates can also serve the same purpose, but I find that synthetic cannabinoids put much less of a strain on my wallet (smoking any material also causes me stomach discomfort). In addition, the vasodilative effects of cannabinoids can relieve a lot of the negative body load you may encounter on 2C-x-NBOMe chemicals.
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The combo isn't that big of a risk if it was titrated up to an active dose with both chemicals and there was a level of experience with both before trying the combo. Most people won't be that prepared. It sounds like you are though. Personally, UR-144 overdose is the scariest thing that's ever happened to me with doing drugs... so 5F-UR-144 is something I won't be trying.
 
bloodshed344 said:
The combo isn't that big of a risk if it was titrated up to an active dose with both chemicals and there was a level of experience with both before trying the combo. Most people won't be that prepared. It sounds like you are though. Personally, UR-144 overdose is the scariest thing that's ever happened to me with doing drugs... so 5F-UR-144 is something I won't be trying.
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Yes, preparation is key when experimenting with psychedelics active in the microgram/milligram range, especially when combining them lol. I have had considerable experience with both compounds as they are my favorite RCs so far. I really enjoy the clarity and positivity of NBOMes and find that it is easy on my ego compared to more "intense" psychs like LSD. This also makes it easier to trip more often, excluding the tolerance factor.

However, I have had my fair share of uncomfortable trips with the two, combined and by themselves. I have never had a 'direct overdose' with either per se, but I have taken slightly too much of both and had bad trips. One trip I remember as being too intense was a 2mg dose of 2C-I-NBOMe. On top of that, I was becoming impatient for the peak to hit and I decided to smoke a small amount ~1-2mg of JWH-18 on the come up (this was several months ago, when I had a low tolerance to synthetics. It was probably around a week after I started use). Needless to say, it was a baaaaad idea. I was quickly catapulted into a very intense peak. When I realized my mistake, anxious thoughts started to overwhelm the trip. I became withdrawn from my friend who was also on the same dose as me at the time. Those were the most intense and complex visuals I have ever had from any hallucinatory substance, but I couldn't enjoy them due to my trip being overwhelmed by anxious thought. I had a bad case of 'the fear' and was slightly delirious. My friend experienced a similar reaction but luckily at around the 3 hour mark we were able to end the loop with some anti-anxiety techniques. So the moral of the story is, never let the compulsion to dose high control you and if you are combining drugs take a lower amount of both!
 
After several experiences with 25[B,C,D,I], I would like to give my opinions on them.

25B: much less body load than 25C and 25I. Visual patterning is very pronounced, but not much morphing. Sounds would make my vision turn different colours, depending on pitch and harmony, but is only really noticeable with long sustained notes. A sweeping filter effect is also noticed with sounds, causing most music to sound not very good. Electronic psychedelic music is great. There is a moderate body high, and touching things feels great.

25C: less body load than 25I, but can still be uncomfortable. Visual patterning is subtle. No morphing. Sounds were mildly distorted with the sweeping filter effect, enough to make most music unenjoyable. Body high is present.

25D: very little body load, even at large doses. Very strong visual patterning, not much morphing. Sounds and colours were heavily distorted, with the same effects mentioned previously. Body high is noticed.

25I: very strong body load on the come up, consisting of body tremors and muscle spasms. After the come up has passed, this turns into an ecstatic body high, unlike any other I've ever had. Visual patterning and morphing is extremely strong, causing one to lose the ability to identify individual objects. Total destruction of normal vision. The sweeping effect is extremely strong, causing music to sound like noise. Listening to ambient surroundings is far more interesting. Thoughts become scrambled, and communication very difficult. At large enough doses, there were periods where I noticed that I hadn't been thinking about anything at all. Ego death. When I was thinking, I had a peculiar feeling of being watched by several "higher beings". I could imagine ideas that were impossible.

Extra notes: 25I has a body load strong enough to put some users off trying it again. 25D requires higher dosing than the other 3. Vasoconstriction is very strong with all 4 drugs, and all 4 gave me diarrhoea (I am particularly prone to both of these side effects). Smoking cannabis completely prevented all of these symptoms, including the muscle tremors on the come-up. It also increased the intensity of patterning, but scrambled my thoughts and communication further. All of these drugs gave great feelings of love towards everyone and everything, and gave genuine insights into understanding oneself and how to improve.
 
Could someone recommend the best Nbome for a veteran psychonaut to me? I've never used one but I've used psychedelic amphetamines, a vary wide variety of 2C-X compounds (40-50 times at last count) and used erolines and tryptamines too many times to count. Until recently I was extremely skeptical of these compounds but suddenly my interest has been increasing and I would love to try at least one of this class.

I will only procure a small amount so price is no issue, I would just like to know what the most visually impressive compound of the series is.
 
entheo said:
Could someone recommend the best Nbome for a veteran psychonaut to me? I've never used one but I've used psychedelic amphetamines, a vary wide variety of 2C-X compounds (40-50 times at last count) and used erolines and tryptamines too many times to count. Until recently I was extremely skeptical of these compounds but suddenly my interest has been increasing and I would love to try at least one of this class.

I will only procure a small amount so price is no issue, I would just like to know what the most visually impressive compound of the series is.
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Try 25 B. One kid did 3 mg's and ended up in hospital with no idea of how he got there. 25c is more euphoric than 25 i while 25 i is more psychedelic. 25 b combines both and is 2-3 x as potent. I'd seriously try 500 ugs as an initial dose of 25b placed into the nasal mucous membrane. To much 25b makes a 2ce OD look mild. I have no idea about the 10 mg 25c NB posted about previously on this thread as that would put most people down. It is possible it was not 100% purity or poor administration technique resulting in low bio availability. Another possibility is subsequent increase dosing level (ie 500 ugs this morning 1 mg tonight, 2 mgs tomorrow) without considering the ridiculous tolerance this substance develops almost instantly. Dosages should be 1-2 weeks apart preferably 2 weeks.

This stuff is NOT LSD. Dosage between fun and bad experience is often a difference of 100 or so ugs. Tolerance however develops rapidly and 25c is a very subtle substance unless you have an initial large dose of say 1.2-2 mg depending on your tolerance to psychedelic PEA's. It is not impossible once tolerance has been developed to consume 4-5 mg over an extended period of time however that is 25c NB not 25b NB. Also the tolerance to the drug lasts for up to 2 weeks and it is recommended experiences be this far apart as re-dosing or dosing an initial higher dose due to tolerance usually do not result in any increase of pleasurable subjective effects but instead increase the risk of negative effects being experienced.

Also co-administration of other psychedelic substances may result in an extreme experience. I dosed 20 mg TMA 2 followed by approximately 1.2 mg 25c NB. Individually neither are particularly massive dosages but the OEV's were some of the most insane of my life. I also felt like my heart was going to explode, my body dripped with sweat and I feared I may have gone a bit to far and possibly OD myself to the point of no return. I did however return and chalked that combo up as a no go zone. Weird thing is even with tolerance or an approximate dose of a previously enjoyable experience things may turn sour. The only drug that I have experienced as crazy a negative effect was bromodragonfly although that was more psychological both in terms of I experienced mild drug induced psychosis (I was still sort of in touch with reality) and the effect lasting well over 24 hours (probably 30 odd). NB OD's tend to be more of a physical ordeal as I'm sure bromo would also be if dosed at the 4-10 mg range in fact bromo at that dose level would probably be lethal.

Anyway do an low level trial to get a feel before going all out on a heroic level. 1.2 mg -2 mg of 25 i or 25c would be fine but 25b I would recommend 500 ug's as a starting dose. Unlike a number of posters I really don't rate 25i NB very highly probably because it the NB I've used the most often. 25c and sheets of 25 tabs can be consumed within a week if your fiending. 25b is the one I enjoy the most but also have a healthy respect for. I'm unsure of the dosage levels David the Chansey used but his description of 25i's side effects is what I experience from 25b even at 500 ug doses. I have found weed to do very little for excessive dosages of NB indeed the cardiac stimulation cannabis causes combined with NB's cardiac stimulation and at times extreme vasoconstriction makes the consumption of weed or synthetic noids undesirable especially at high dosages of NB's. I prefer to have a benzo at hand if things go pear shaped they are much safer and clinically indicated for the emergency treatment of stimulant OD's. MDPV and 25i don't mix well either.
 
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Place the blotter inside your nostril on the mucous membrane and let it sit there. Much easier than shoving it up you bum IMO.
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Neither of these routes will work very well with blotter unless you add additional solvent.

ebola
 
Regarding plugging or insufflating from blotter: Just soak it it a little water for a while and plug that. You could also cut up the blotter and drop it in about 20 insulin units of water inside a syringe with the needle yanked out, again let it soak for a bit, and liquid insufflate that. Be careful because both of these routes are far more effective than sublingual. I'd do half the amount of blotters it takes to trip sublingually at most.
 
entheo said:
^ why are you dicksizing dude? I have 150+ trips under my belt, including 70mg T2 up the nose on top of 1mg LSD, 65mg 4-AcO-DMT, 16 grams of mushrooms on top of 35mg vaporized 4-HO-MET, 5mg DOB when I was 15 etc and I never freaked.
I just wanted some advice, spare me your condecinsion, please.
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Entheo cool 150+ trips. I'm not dick sizing NB's are really weird. One day a NB trip could be great next day same dose same blotter just feel fucking sick. The TMA 2 and 25c experience was a bad thing an ordeal. I have no idea why this combo did what it did at those low doses but it did and the strange thing was my 25c NB tolerance was high. I'm serious people have lost their shit 100 x more on NB vs LSD because the drug is unpredictable. LSD you know the dose range and the effects at that dose are reasonably similar each time. NB doesn't seem to be like LSD.

I mean LSD you can do 5 tabs reportedly dosed at 150 ug but realistically more like 100-125 (transport, storage, time) unless it's fresh laid blotter strait out the lab, and be at a familiar level. NB you can take a dose and then do the rough equivalent dose (any drug laid on blotter is an approximate) and the effects could be really nasty. None of the 2cx (except maybe 20+ mg's of 2cp which I'm sure you can handle) substances are as vasoconstrictive. I'm not lecturing I am just advising caution. BTW you tried bromo? If so how did you find it? If your good with 2 mg or more bromo go hard on the 25x NB's. Do 5 mg 25b NB if you can handle that much bromo.

As for your combo cool 70mg T2 up the nose on top of 1mg LSD, 65mg 4-AcO-DMT, 16 grams of mushrooms on top of 35mg vaporized 4-HO-MET, 5mg DOB when I was 15. Could you walk? I'd imagine it'd be a pretty flat on your back watching the world morph kind of experience? Did you do them all at once? That is really crazy! What were the visuals like? Why did you bother doing 4 aco dmt when you'd already consumed mushrooms, why not just more mushrooms? How was your heart? Did you sweat much? Did it teach you a great deal about who you are as a person or was it more let's take all this and see what happens. It'd be interesting to know.

I'm also amazed you keep record of your trips! 150 + is quite a few. I recall getting a few sheets of 100 tabs a sheet that is pretty fun and I'd imagine you get your LSD in bulk like that? It's just not cost effective to be getting 5-10 trip strips each time you trip, plus you get the cool print as well. All that at 15 your crazy, the closest I've come at the age of 15 was to eat a meager 14 grams of mushrooms, smoke a bunch of pot and sit round a mates inhaling nitrous from a 20 litre canister through a Hudson mask. Almost forgot we were drinking beer and rum as well so I had a good puke 4 hours in.
 
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