Phenethylamines [25X-NBOMe Subthread] Comparisons & General Discussion

[Jesusgreen]

So who wants to talk NBOME's im way excited, gonna try 1500ug 25i mixed with 600ug 25b soon. Any thoughts?

Way too high. 1mg of 25I-NBOMe on its own is quite strong. 1.5mg is MUCH MUCH stronger. 600ug of 25B-NBOMe should also produce strong effects, combining high doses of both is a recipe for disaster.

It's especially worth remembering that when combining psychedelics you shouldn't just take your normal doses of each substance and add them together, but should reduce your dose of each drug as the drugs greatly potentiate each other. Even taking just half your usual dosage of each substance can often be significantly stronger than your normal dosage of either substance alone sometimes.

Have you tried each substance on its own? If not I'd do so first.

Once you have I'd try something more like 500ug 25I-NBOMe + 300ug 25B-NBOMe (buccally) if you want to mix them and are looking for a fairly strong experience

 

[ahkwa]

Yes. That's a very high dose for a first experience. NBOMe's can get out of hand pretty quickly.

Maybe try half that dose of 25i without the 25b to start with. Alternatively, try just the 600μg of 25b.

I decided to take 1mg 25i and 650ug 25b, but prior to that I took 3 blotters of unknown potency (i staggered my doses to be safe) which to now i assumed were 500ug. But that last trip with the I and the B was a very heavy trip and i did not like the mixture. Just the other day i decided to try just the 25i and i took a 2mg dose. Yes it being my third trip with this substance and having a somewhat lingering tolerance to the substance i did my research. And by far that was the best trip i have ever had in my entire life, and ive taken: lsd(4 times all different doses unknown but somewhat high), several dxm trips, mushrooms(3.5g-4g about 10 times) lsa a few times, dramamine(eww) and thats it i think. Im not trying to write a trip report or anything. I was not planning to take them that night. I was debating all day and my friend just popped over and the irony of it made my decision. I just took them at night in a great environment kind of just made myself forgot i took them, and all of a sudden on tumblr all the words started dripping off the screen and my laptop started melting. Has to have been the coolest thing i have ever seen.
****note I am not condoning anyone to ever take a dose like that. Like everyone else i suggest less than 1000ug like 600-750. Not like i was trying to take a heroic dose or be stupid, just psychedelics work a bit weaker on me and i knew after tripping a few times that dose wouldnt kill me, just the worse that would happen would me a bad trip. Anyways thanks for looking out though guys, I did a hell of a lot of research I just wanted a heavy trip being an experienced psychonaut and all :3

 

[ahkwa]

Well since I am convinced most of the acid around here is not actually LSD, I dosed two tabs of bitterness two night ago and posted a report. I assembled a dose response chart.

Anecdotal comparatives would be helpful in potentially identifying the particular substance.
TOTAL DURATION- 18 hours. Notable lingering after effects once awoken the following day. I was tense, paranoid, and exhausted. I slept a lot.

WOAAAH thats a long trip, how many hits of "lsd" was it? lol seriously im a con, kind of a fuck to people who deserve it. But I dont see how ANYONE could sell an NBOMe as lsd -_- I fucking love NBOMe's almost a bit more than lsd. and some people say its the "new" lsd (asshole dealers claiming it to be lsd aside) but I could never do that, it seems almost sinful to do such a thing. Even if i was at the lowest of low junkin for some opes and had some NBOMe on blotter and people were willing to trade some dilaudid 8s for lsd and lsd only i couldnt even do it. -_- people these days confusing the RC scene with the traditional drug scene is going to ruin it all together.

 

[LiquidNebula]

What is the NBOMe with the lower treshold dose ?

 

[Anon0631]

With the lowest dose you mean? Probably 25c

 

[Anon610]

I have 25I-NBOMe and I'm just wondering if holding the blotter for 15 minutes under my tongue will suffice?
Its annoying and I know swallowing it doesn't work haha.

 

[Sepher]

If it's HPBCD complexed, 20 minutes. If not, 40. Buccal's easier than sub-lingual, doesn't tend to produce as much spit which you need to keep pouched without swallowing the 20 mins too. Up under the top lip, next to the molars when I tend to put mine, very effective.

 

[thizzkid]

Exotic nBomes (25N-nBome, 25F-nBome, 25E-nBome, mescaline nbome, etc.)

Hey there bluelight, gotta question involving some of the more obscure nBomes (NOT 25-B, I, C or D). If youre reading this and recognize "nBome" then youre probably pretty well acquainted with the drug culture and are already aware of what the nBome family is, but if not, a quick google search will clear it right up. Now onto the question. I have been experimenting with the various nBomes that have been becoming more and more popular, namely 25i and 25c nBome. However, I've recently come into reach of getting a few nBomes I'd never heard of, though have theorized exist, due to the fact that each of their 2c-x counterparts is possible to create. I'm speaking of 25N and 25F-nBome. Upon searching quickly, there was very little info on 25F and virtually zero information on 25N aside from a description-less picture of a structure found in isomerdesign.com. In regards to the potency of 25F, I imagine it will be one of the more potent, halogenated nBomes due to the trend that mirrors the 2c-x family where 2c's tend to get more potent with heavier halogens, the nBomes seem to be opposite. This is all theoretical though, as both of these substances are very hard to find anything on. If there is anyone out there who has come across, tried, or even just has chemical knowledge of these substances, please pitch in your knowledge. The nBomes have treated me well so far and if the 25F and 25N are similar enough I can only assume they would be just as entertaining in their own right. Again all theoretical which is why I need you =). If you have a trip report of either PLEASE tell us. Also, information on other obscure nBomes is welcome as well, for instance: 25E or mescaline nBome, however, the main focus is 25F and 25N. Anything would be massively helpful to me, and I'm sure a few other curious psychonauts out there. Alright lets see what ppl say! Thanks to all!
Cheers

 

[sekio]

25e-nbome has been trialed before, it is apparently active but slightly less potent than 25d. (500-1000ug?)
mescaline nbome was apparently garbage and needed doses of many mg's for any effect so was thrown out.

I think 25N has been made and distributed. Not sure about 25F. (What about 25H-NBOMe? Or this strange 24-NBOMe? (2,4-dimethoxy-pea-NBOMe))

 

[Sippin_LSD]

Nobody mentioned 25G?

Quite long lasting but very enjoyable.

I've heard from a friend 25F is very weak, just like its counterpart 2C-F.

 

[Solipsis]

25G has its own thread too. It's a shame we don't have more information about these exotic ones but creating extra threads and mixing up topics will not generate new information like actual first hand experience / reports do.

It would be premature to close this now, but it seems that we need to just be patient and see who will sacrifice themself as guinea pig. Or a user like Erny might have things to say about the less common ones.

For future reference regarding these small and fragile threads: please limit the posting if you have nothing relevant to share, imagine the disappointment of people checking such threads later for actual info.

I echo something from the OP: anyone who has experience with things like 25F, please write a report or say something about it so that it can be put in a new thread.

Personally I have samples of 25E and 25N but for the time being I have little interest in trying them. I don't particularly trust NBOMe compounds, but if I do decide to proceed with more trials it will first be with something like 25I.

 

[Anon0631]

I have tasted 25n twice. Once buccal at 500μg and once orally at 1mg. The buccal administration caused a +/++ with little to differentiate it other than nice body rushes. The 1mg oral trial provided 8 hours of mild stimulation preventing sleep and presenting no psychedelia. The body rushes were present to an extent. This was more than expected.

The compound is bright yellow and seems a little more soluble than most NBOMe's. It's quite possible that a buccal dose of 750μg will produce effects unique from the others. I would say this is one worth pursuing further.

Solipsis: Could this be merged with the NBOMe comparisons thread maybe?

 

[Solipsis]

I would if it actually contributed valuable and relevant information to the effect of that thread's topic. If you wish to compare NBOMe compounds just do it there, if you have info on something like 25N for example, that has its own thread, too. This one is mostly redundant but to preserve the call for reports / data on things like 25F I will merge it with the general NBOMe discussion thread.

Oops, seems like those topics are shoved into one thread. My bad.

 

[Anon0631]

I believe that a member called reformer assyed 25f at 250μg and 500μg with only threshold effects.

 

[Anon0631]

Yes

 

[Redbong]

Are the differences between different 2c-x-nbome as big as they are with regular 2c-x?

Huge differences. In dose and effects. Do your research!

 

[hippox]

Personally I have samples of 25E and 25N but for the time being I have little interest in trying them. I don't particularly trust NBOMe compounds, but if I do decide to proceed with more trials it will first be with something like 25I.

Hellou, I'm sorry to ask, but why dont u trust the nbome's? Is it because they are untested enought over the years? I'd like to add, that I've tried 25c nmbome for at least 20 times and know some people who did the same, but dont know anyone with any side effects or bad short term effects. Just concluding on the short term effects, I'd say they're safer than most of 'old' drugs. Maybe we have a decent source, or just arent exaggerating with use (two weeks max, maybe sometimes more).

 

[Solipsis]

Don't be sorry to ask questions

I don't really trust them because:

- I had two experiences with 25X-NBOMe compounds namely the 25C and 25D, at low doses (around 300 ug) and got extremely cold feet with the 25D that prevented me from relaxing and enjoying the effects. I was not really worried but it preoccupied me. Generally I found the effects of both interesting and worthwhile but vasoconstriction puts me off and I would want to go higher to experience the trip better and that might not be possible if this keeps happening to my feet.
- Some people are tolerant of much higher doses than others, sensitive people can suffer dangerous complications if they take too much. DOX compounds for example which can also be dangerous, are also potent, but they don't seem as unpredictable and getting a dose absorbed reliably is not such a hassle with them.
Some people experience little or no side effects while others get weird stuff like sweating buckets, overheating or fluctuation body temperature, jitters, and I'm sure I read of quite a few more that make me wonder what is up with that (though involvement of serotonin mediated brain functions seems somewhat evident)... and I don't appreciate not understanding that better.
- A number of them are full agonists at the 5-HT2A receptor. While I don't avoid all full agonists like the plague in practice (I have taken AM-2201 now and then, but discontinued), I'd like to use them as little as possible. Just like with cannabinoids full agonists appear to be able to cause long-term effects much more quickly than partial agonists. For cannabinoids this means it seems easier to get tolerance and withdrawals with relatively less use. Now some threads are popping up with people getting tolerance and even withdrawal symptoms with these serotonergics the latter of which is quite unheard of with this class of drugs.

IMO clearly the ultra potent nature of these compounds make their potential consequences more severe, at least there are indications for this. History of use is so short that there can be problems with NBOMe's that we have yet to fully realize.
I don't mean to make premature claims and I don't want to get the whole forum in an uproar because of my own concerns based on speculation, but deciding for myself I find all of this pretty disturbing.

I might sample NBOMe compounds again with apprehension, probably 25I which sounds like one of the most popular ones, to see if I keep having the vasoconstriction effects or if there are signs that it is mostly messing with bodily sensations... and I will not take them intranasally again, maybe that helps too.

 

[hippox]

Thank you for your kind reply Solipsis, you truly are a good moderator Aha, so mainly your scepticism derives from bad own experience. Its understandable, that unknown long term effects provide more uncertainty about this compounds and I am taking your concerns on note. Is a 25 C nbome a full agonist as well? This is a new information and I inform myself about the processes in the brain even more.

I'd like to add that we get 25 C nbome in drops, dissolved in an unknown mixture, but the drops not too potent, so it is more safe in sense of overdoing them. The drops are applied dropped into the nose. The substance produces a great feeling of relaxation and really enpowers ones consciousness awareness along with really beautiful visuals. A buddy of mine once saw a birth of universe.. More importantly, after effects were that we kinda appreciated life and to do-good in life in the next days, or even months after use (study more, take care for health, relationships, have clean app., etc,..). It certainly produces deep spiritual experiences at bigger doses, not as at shrooms, where u are a part of a big universe, but like, that u are an important part of whole being, universal intelligent energy who is individual and a part of common good as well. Metaphysics full-on for sure. ^^

I certainly hope, that we have a safe chem here, time will prove whats right, I respect ur wisdom on this topic, will be cautious myself and will report any new findings. Thanks again for the answer!

 

[Anon0631]

While I have never really suffered notable vasoconstriction from an NBOMe, I would caution against 25i on the grounds that it is very speedy. Is there a correlation between stimulation and vasoconstriction for you?

25b is a good balance between the psychedelic ideation of 25i and the relaxed nature of 25c