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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

do you think ppl who try heroin once and then use it again dont have the same mentality as you?

A decent proportion of people who chip with h get a habit

its not really glamourous lifestyle to risk falling into

if you have so much mental fortitude, kick back with a joint once a week instead of one of the most addictive and expensive opiates known to man

i have tried h a few times and was fantasising about the high for months after...

Dont compare alcohol to heroin, h is a lot more addictive

imo u should avoid hard opiates


this. I was the same as you, cocky and ignorant as f lmfao. Dude please. Please. I beg you not to continue 'testing waters'. Unless you're ok with misery for the rest of your life.. Coming from someone on day 19 of no methadone..
 
I chipped for ~3 years before getting addicted for 8 years.
It is a risky practice, because you never know when life will get so painful, stressful, traumatic, boring [etc ad infinitum] that your resolve will falter, you'll get too much comfort from using that you'll let it become every day. Or you'll chase the rush down into some dark places that you never would have dreamt of in your "chipping" days.

No matter how gradually or suddenly you go from "chipping" to "physically dependant" - and whether you let it happen carelessly or knowingly surrender to addiction - It is always a risk.
Some people with really stable lives and intense determination may stand a better chance of not getting in too deep.
Chipping is a risky practice.
So is using opiates. You know this.
Anything is possible - but the anecdotal evidence alone is kind of pessimistic on this one. Probably the only people I've known to do it are ex-addicts - do they count, or are they excluded for having been (presumably) failed chippers to begin with?
If at first you don't succeed...
 
Moving this to the Should I Try Heroin? Mega. We've had tons of threads exactly like this, and the responses and conclusions are always the same, yet people still keep coming and posting these ridiculous "Can I use heroin and not become addicted?" threads, hoping we're going to be like, "Oh yeah totally. You'll be the complete minority and be totally fine!"


I just started this thread because everyone else in real life was telling me I'll become a full-blown junkie, which pisses me off. Before H, I was chipping on oxy for about a year and a half... never became addicted.


Wow a whole year and a half!? Damn. You clearly have this whole addiction thing totally beat then! Please tell us all your secret. And also.. the fact that you've now moved on to heroin... yeah, you totally didn't get addicted..

Unbelievable. I wish you the best of luck, man. You're gonna need it.
 
Wow a whole year and a half!? Damn. You clearly have this whole addiction thing totally beat then! Please tell us all your secret. And also.. the fact that you've now moved on to heroin... yeah, you totally didn't get addicted..

Unbelievable. I wish you the best of luck, man. You're gonna need it.
I didn't "graduate" to heroin. In my opinion, and from what I've read, oxy is just as addictive as heroin, and I kept that under control. I'm rude and don't know how to speak to people with respect
 
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Relax, man. I'm sorry I'm not telling you what you want to here, but you are fooling yourself, everyone knows it but you. I've seen your exact situation 1000 times.

Be careful. I hope you change your mind because if not, you're gonna be in for a lot of pain and misery.
 
So I've done H a few times now. Now, everyone I talk to says I'll be a full-blown addict within 6 months. I told my psychologist about my occasional heroin use and he basically said that it's near impossible NOT to become an addict because the drug is so addictive. I've assured him and others that it won't happen to me. He says that's what everyone says when they first start out. I believe, however, that I have the WILLPOWER to keep my use of H only every now and then.

I think people who become addicts just don't have the same mental fortitude as me. I always get my priorities right; I pay my pills on time, spend money on healthy food, and never skimp on such things to buy a hit of H. I pretty much only ever buy it when I have spare cash on me and just feel like kicking back on Friday night at the end of the working week to unwind. I'm no different to others who have a few beers after a week's worth of work. Do most of these people become alcoholics? Fuck no. So why would it be any different for H? Again, I have strong willpower, and don't spend my money on H when I need that money for other things.

Full blown addiction can take many years to develop. I've met plenty of rising stars who eventually gave in after many years or even decades of toying with this and that. I'm talking cream of the crop motherfuckers who always seemed to have their shit together.

The way you feel right this second is not necessarily how you'll feel in the future. Changes in finances, relationships, health, employment, etc can have huge effects on your mentality and swing the balance in either direction. Even being successful at life does it to some people.

Maybe/maybe not in your case. But why fuck around?
 
I chipped for ~3 years before getting addicted for 8 years.
It is a risky practice, because you never know when life will get so painful, stressful, traumatic, boring [etc ad infinitum] that your resolve will falter, you'll get too much comfort from using that you'll let it become every day. Or you'll chase the rush down into some dark places that you never would have dreamt of in your "chipping" days.

No matter how gradually or suddenly you go from "chipping" to "physically dependant" - and whether you let it happen carelessly or knowingly surrender to addiction - It is always a risk.
Some people with really stable lives and intense determination may stand a better chance of not getting in too deep.
Chipping is a risky practice.
So is using opiates. You know this.
Anything is possible - but the anecdotal evidence alone is kind of pessimistic on this one. Probably the only people I've known to do it are ex-addicts - do they count, or are they excluded for having been (presumably) failed chippers to begin with?
If at first you don't succeed...

Good post.

Yes, anything is possible... but the question is, is it likely? No. It's not. I wish it was.. hah. I loved shooting dope. But the fact of the matter is that the chances of being able to "chip" for any even semi-long period of time, are incredibly slim. I've been doing this for a very long time, many other BL'ers have been doing it for a long time, and the people we've come across or heard of who could use H casually like that, can be counted on one hand out of the thousands of users we've met.

So, if you think you're gonna be different, that you have some kind of amazing will power that millions of other people didn't have, go for it. Good luck. But, don't come back here pissed off and wish people would have warned you not to start with H, when years later you're life is destroyed and you're withdrawing so hard you can't get out of bed.
 
The fuck is a heroin chipper??? Lol

Don't use needles, kids. As long as you don't use needles and try to stay away from dirty shit, and know your fucking limits most importantly. And keep tolerance low...and skip days. And you'll be OK.

And opiates by themselves have never helped much with my creativity.. (as a guitar player) Really not even as much as good weed. Ok maybe once or twice..but that's out of hundreds and hundreds of go's at it. Not heroin..not that I discrimanite, i'd probably at least try the stuff, I've just never come across it...probably a blessing in disguise!
 
Artistically speaking or not, NYET!
Speaking form 1st and 2nd hand experience its one of my great regrets. If I had stuck to pharmaceuticals I wouldn't have fucked my life up as bad for instance with an alcoholic just because you can get wine or beer at a much cheaper price than the store (half to quarter price) doesn't mean its a good idea for everybody for me it was like living with a ticking time bomb, for others not so bad, still tough.

Nothing good can come there is a honey moon for 1-2 months and after that is a strict necessary need that you dont even enjoy anymore, similar to smoking cigarettes when drinking/social as opposed to smoking 2-3 packs a day.

If you do start and you will since you are already posting on this site, DO NOT INJECT, people say its a waste but those people are junkies that shoot. A needle addiction is different than a heroin addiction, people who inject aren't addicted to the morphine high composed of nodding out, rather they are addicted to the ritual of the needle and most of all the 3-4 minutes that consist of the rush. After the rush for needle users its all chase the only thing STOPPING them is the nod!! Normal addicts that dont inject are addicted to the 'shitty' part which is the nodding euphoric high (not the clear headed insanse rush).

I have smoked east coast heroin for 1 year give or take 2 months constantly, my habbit was 1 gram a day and 100mg was all I needed at first to be high from day to night all day.

Snort before you smoke!

If you shoot heroin your not looking for an opiate high your looking for a junky rush!

p.s. With any MOA if you dont get psysically addicted doesnt mean your ok, you are def psychologically addicted and you will realize when you take a break you will have NO ENEGERY and no drive for anything to the point of sleeping b/c of boredom
 
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IV'd dilaudid is even worse than heroin.

Granted, I never had any heroin, live too far from a city over 500 000 people to get some, even when I lived in Montreal it was impossible to find in the streets in the usual places...only cocaine and weed were available.

Dilaudid is worse according to people who did a lot of both IV. It's the crack of opiates, dat rush which nothing even slightly touches is such a tease, because you'll be high for maybe 10 minutes afterwards and will shoot up until all your pills are gone in one night (well, depends, with brand name 8's and 4's, I would go up to 32mg or so then take my benzos, some promethazine OTC pills and go to sleep and ALWAYS save me a pill or two for the next morning, it's always possible to endure the next day if you at least have something in the morning. The short duration of dillies also make the withdrawal BRUTAL but short...I kicked it CT many times...I deeply regret going to the methadone ORT (now on subs), especially since 3 days before I went, I went to see my GP and pretended to be in a brutal bronchitis (i get one every autumn usually so it wasn't a problem) and he scripted me 30 5mg Hycodans for cough, along with atarax 50mg for secretions in the back of the throat (I actually had a beginning of something) and some Cefzil. My usual autumn recipe for bad bronchitis/pneumonia when they happened. I could have weened myself with the Hycodans. In fact, I think I had partially done so and went to the methadone clinic just so i'd get a free opiate everyday without hassle....ugh.
 
So I've done H a few times now. Now, everyone I talk to says I'll be a full-blown addict within 6 months. I told my psychologist about my occasional heroin use and he basically said that it's near impossible NOT to become an addict because the drug is so addictive. I've assured him and others that it won't happen to me. He says that's what everyone says when they first start out. I believe, however, that I have the WILLPOWER to keep my use of H only every now and then.

I think people who become addicts just don't have the same mental fortitude as me. I always get my priorities right; I pay my pills on time, spend money on healthy food, and never skimp on such things to buy a hit of H. I pretty much only ever buy it when I have spare cash on me and just feel like kicking back on Friday night at the end of the working week to unwind. I'm no different to others who have a few beers after a week's worth of work. Do most of these people become alcoholics? Fuck no. So why would it be any different for H? Again, I have strong willpower, and don't spend my money on H when I need that money for other things.

You sound a lot like me (and most other addicts throughout history), like 5 or so years ago.
Nobody can tell you that you're going to become addicted in a few months though. It can be weeks, months, or years from now, or never!

do you think ppl who try heroin once and then use it again dont have the same mentality as you?

a decent proportion of people who chip with H get a habit

its not really glamourous lifestyle to risk falling into

if you have so much mental fortitude, kick back with a joint once a week instead of one of the most addictive and expensive opiates known to man

i have tried H a few times and was fantasising about the high for months after...

dont compare alcohol to heroin, h is a lot more addictive

imo u should avoid hard opiates

I agree with all of what you said.
First, I can't smoke weed. It's not euphoric and gives me panic attacks. The fact that I've been chipping on H for a good three months now demonstrates that I can keep it under control. I've also used oxy in the past, and like H, I never developed a habit. I know these substances are highly addictive which is why I use them sparingly. It just pisses me off that everyone thinks that in six months time I'll be sucking other dudes' dicks to get money for a bundle. Bullshit.

Nobody can tell you if you are going to become addicted or not. However, I will say that 3 months is nothing in terms of keeping it under control. I probably don't know anybody that got strung out that quickly after picking up the drug, so don't think that 3 months of controlled use is any great feat. I'm not saying that to try and put you down or say you'll become an addict, I'm just trying to put it into perspective. It took me 7 years to get a proper heroin habit, so I know first hand about feeling like I've got in under control, like I'm not like everybody else who gets addicted, etc... Be aware and be careful.

Something like 10% of people who try heroin get addicted to it, though I'm not sure what the stats are regarding chippers who become addicts.

I chipped for almost two years before it started getting out of hand, then I went to rehab for a while & I've been chipping again for about a year now. It's certainly possible but it's not likely.

BTW don't delude yourself into thinking that because you've kept it up for a whopping 3 months, you're invincible. That's absurd. You have almost no experience with the drug IMO.

See my final part of this post which addresses this.

True. Yet I've met people who've become hooked after using for only a month. Also, I've been chipping on oxy for about a year and a half before trying H. Never got addicted to that, either. And oxy can be just as addictive. So what does that tell you?

Perhaps. I find working out in the gym provides a great release. However, it is, of course, a different feeling to H.

I too don't understand how you're saying that you never got addicted to oxy but then started using heroin. You don't have to be physically dependent on the drug in order to be addicted to it. Even when I was just using on the weekends I still considered myself addicted. Hell, even when I was just using a few times a year I still considered myself an addict, as I would regularly think about my next high, even if it was months away. If a person uses once a week but spends the 6 days in between counting down the days to the next high then that's being an addict. If you are planning out the frequency in which you use, then that's a sign of addiction. Someone who is not addicted just takes it when they come across it or friends offer it to them, and they don't really think about it in between uses. Once you start justifying and rationalizing then that's when the problems start.

I chipped for ~3 years before getting addicted for 8 years.
It is a risky practice, because you never know when life will get so painful, stressful, traumatic, boring [etc ad infinitum] that your resolve will falter, you'll get too much comfort from using that you'll let it become every day. Or you'll chase the rush down into some dark places that you never would have dreamt of in your "chipping" days.

No matter how gradually or suddenly you go from "chipping" to "physically dependant" - and whether you let it happen carelessly or knowingly surrender to addiction - It is always a risk.
Some people with really stable lives and intense determination may stand a better chance of not getting in too deep.
Chipping is a risky practice.
So is using opiates. You know this.
Anything is possible - but the anecdotal evidence alone is kind of pessimistic on this one. Probably the only people I've known to do it are ex-addicts - do they count, or are they excluded for having been (presumably) failed chippers to begin with?
If at first you don't succeed...

Full blown addiction can take many years to develop. I've met plenty of rising stars who eventually gave in after many years or even decades of toying with this and that. I'm talking cream of the crop motherfuckers who always seemed to have their shit together.

The way you feel right this second is not necessarily how you'll feel in the future. Changes in finances, relationships, health, employment, etc can have huge effects on your mentality and swing the balance in either direction. Even being successful at life does it to some people.

Maybe/maybe not in your case. But why fuck around?

I was using 'on-again-off-again' for years before becoming addicted. I was using pills on the weekend for about 2 years before I switched to heroin due to my oxy dealer switching from selling 40 and 80mg OxyContin pills to selling heroin, and it took me a few times of him saying "I don't have any oxys now, but you can get a bag of dope from me and it will be like 60mg of oxy at a fraction of the price" for me to decide to try it. After a few months of that I ended up in an outpatient drug rehab for treatment court due to a possession and sale charge of oxycodone, and so for the almost 2 years of treatment court I stopped using, aside from getting high 5 or fewer days during those two years.

After completing treatment court I went away to college, and aside from using vicodin 3 times in the 3 years away, and getting 4 or 5 orders of poppy pods which I drank with a group of friends in the dorms, I didn't touch anything else while I was away at school. I did however use when I was home for the summer and winter breaks, but while being home for those 2 month increments I didn't always use, and never used enough to develop physical dependency. For the 3 winter breaks I used during 2 of them, and one of those 2 times it was only 3 or 4 times that I got high, and then the other time it was more like 10-15 times in those 2 months. During the summer breaks I used more, but never more than 3 days in a given week, and the first month or so of summer break I was using even less than that. So it's safe to say that from 2004-2011 I was a 'chipper' but then once I crossed the line I became more addicted.

I graduated from college in 2011 and was now back home where I had access to all opiate painkillers as well as heroin. That summer I tried Opana for the first time, and then oxy, and then I was right back on the H train. At first I was still chipping, but after being home for a few months and not being able to find a good job, things seemed more hopeless so I started using heavier. After going on a few job interviews and not getting those jobs which were great jobs that were in the field that I went to college for, it just gutted me and made me use more. The rest as they say is history, and although I've been working at dead-end jobs to pay the bills, not having a career after college makes me feel lower than my friends that got good jobs after they graduated, but heroin makes me feel higher than them if only for a few hours at a time, and that's been my downfall with heroin.

So there's my example of how you can never predict how your drug use will end up even if it's under control now and you think that it will never get worse. I made it through college and got a degree that is difficult to obtain, all while keeping my use to a minimum. But then after graduating and things just continued not going my way I dealt with them in a way that was already familiar to me; opiates...
 
this is a great thread bro, i saw this question posed not long ago on another forum, i tried to talk him out of it but who knows, this is a great idea! i wish i had access to this info in the early 90's when i first got strung, i totally thought it was chic and cool, although i really liked to do drugs of other kinds already(mostly iv meth)so it wasnt very hard to just throw some dope in the spoon instead of speed, i must say however, i curse the decision to do it that first time because i loved it, so i kept copping and the next thing i knew i was strung out to the tune of $100 a day, which eventually became $150 then$200 a day until i was a flat out street junky with no scruples in regaurd to how i came up with the money, to those of us who know this hell, the answer is no dont even try it cuz you will get a taste for it!
 
Great thread. I had always been fascinated by heroin - the highs and the lows of it.

I have tried it once. I railed about 1/4th of a "bump" and all I did was puke, it was miserable. Needless to say - I will never be touching it again. Probably a good thing as I enjoy a seldom low dose of hydro.
 
Heroin will have the opposite affect on your creativity. No debate about it. It will suck your energy and all your creative juices.

I have always wanted to do Heroin, but the fact that its illegal has stopped me. I have a job that requires a clean criminal record and as such I was just too afraid to go and buy some, just in case I got seen by a police officer. That, and where I live, the drugs are overpriced and crap quality. If anyone knows where I mean: my closest area to find drugs is Camden in North London.

However, recently I've been contemplating it more and more. My reasoning is because I want to reawaken my creativity. I used to write...a LOT. Since I was like 7 years old I had an amazing imagination. However, as I went though the schooling system, my curiosity became aimed at the sciences, and as a result I feel like I've list the creative edge I once had. I try to write now, but nothing comes out. My thoughts are really not the same anymore, and I'm stuck in a world of order and routine.

Do I still want to try heroin? Yes. Will I actually be trying heroin? Unlikely. The post by one member kace (?) yesterday about what happened to her after trying heroin, was horrifying to read. I also read another bluelighter write out in steps how one eventually becomes a junkie, saying thats the inevitable end to trying it. That was powerful.
 
It IS addictive. I did it this morning so I could get out of bed. And I want to save the rest so I can get up every morning til I go to pain management. But I've been thinking about it all day. Ecstasy makes you feel great, but it's so intense that sometimes by the end you're relieved it's over, the clenching teeth and all. But heroin...it's the best feeling I've ever had. Unfortunately for me.

You never did come back and let us all know how you are doing after your scare the other day with heroin and all..please let us know how you are and how things are playing out with you if you will..and that you are ok. ;)
 
If you do start and you will since you are already posting on this site, DO NOT INJECT, people say its a waste but those people are junkies that shoot. A needle addiction is different than a heroin addiction, people who inject aren't addicted to the morphine high composed of nodding out, rather they are addicted to the ritual of the needle and most of all the 3-4 minutes that consist of the rush. After the rush for needle users its all chase the only thing STOPPING them is the nod!! Normal addicts that dont inject are addicted to the 'shitty' part which is the nodding euphoric high (not the clear headed insanse rush).

If you shoot heroin your not looking for an opiate high your looking for a junky rush!


I disagree with most of what you are saying here and this is absolutely just not true of most people who inject. Yes, most do end up with a preoccupation with injecting in addition to the addiction of heroin but what you are saying is simply just not the case!
 
i cant IV myself. IV can only be done in hospitals with special equipment for me, as my veins dont show after being 2 hours in scalding hot water, doing 25 pushups after that, then doing all the exercises neccssary - all i end up is a lor of veins that are poked through and another reason to kill this body that cant even fucking get the relief others get via IV. I hate my body more than myself, I think, even.
So, even if I was VERY rich, I could NEVER IV heroin or weed or meth or whatever (i put weed in there just to show that i know what sarcasm is and life is throwing it at me EVERY SINGLE DAY). i can only smoke, sniff or .. plug, but i have NO idea how to do that and i suffer from awful stomach also (go to toilet sometimes once a week) so i dont think plugging is for...people like me.

so there, be born a retard without veins and you have NO WAY TO EVER ABUSE IV drugs. great. NOT.

i wanted to try it last night myself for the very first time and wasn't even able to fill the syringe???sorry but what the f*** have i been doing wrong?the liquid just wouldn't get inside..am i retarded? :(
 
I just want to make a comment here:

Whether or not you decide to try heroin, having a trusted friend there to watch you is the most important thing you can possibly do! Not some random person you just met, a friend! We're not advising people not to mess with this stuff because we like to lecture people...I'm one of the most radical advocates for personal freedom you'll ever meet, but this drug will kill you! Maybe not the first time, maybe not the 1723rd time, but fuck up once with a strong batch when you're alone, and you're gone forever! So, enjoy your life, and live how you wanna live, but always respect what heroin is capable of doing to even longtime users...have someone there! That's all....
 
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