The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 5th Dose (you took too much, seriously)
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Nah anxiety is good. If you never feel anxious and insecure, you'll never be able to accurately judge and deal with the difficult situations you get into during life. Overconfidence is as much of a flaw as underconfidence.
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^these words are truth bullets.
^this :D
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Lol just put some Mortal kombat music on... will set you right up haha
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I don't exactly agree with this... maybe its just the wording... but I feel that anxiety and insecurity are counterproductive in dealing with difficult situations... just as much as overconfidence is counterproductive...
I feel like anxiety and insecurity as well as overconfidence, are the result of misunderstanding...
What I feel dissociatives provide is a different perspective on things and allow the user to become more aware of the big picture and how things interact and affect other things... thus giving a greater level of understanding which results in being more confident in dealing with situations...
A knowledge is power sort of thing...
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Misplaced anxiety and insecurity may be the result of misunderstanding (hence underconfidence), but anxiety and insecurity are two very primal emotions designed to make us aware of potential threats in our environment. If a stranger asked you to get in their car, you would naturally feel anxious and insecure (on top of suspicious and apprehensive etc). It would be counter-productive to not have this reaction. These emotions could potentially save our life...They aren't usually examples of flaws in character.
the toad
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I still don't really agree... I feel like a person with anxiety and/or insecurity would be more likely to get in the car just because they were told... where as a confident secure individual would simply examine the situation calmly and make a much better decision...
Conversely I feel an overconfident person may just jump in that car thinking I can handle whatever may happen...
Conversely I feel an overconfident person may just jump in that car thinking I can handle whatever may happen...
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It's all about balance I guess. Too much or too little either way and our decisions are flawed, irrespective of the outcome. I feel as though MXE has just as much power to topple that balance as it has to enforce it. Therapeutic use may work wonders whilst recreational use could leave many unassuming people unhinged.
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the toad
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^ exactly
I don't agree with that at all. There's a difference between being anxious and being weak-minded. You are confusing the two. It's been theorized that the evolutionary function of dreams is to help condition humans to deal with the stresses (such as the dangers of predators present at the dawn of man) of their everyday live and help them better prepare for it. After all, don't your dreams often involve everyday people, objects, situations mixed with commons fears as well as desires. Stress and anxiety has a function.
For example: Ever try to go detox? Ever go to a sauna for that purpose? There's a sauna in my gym and after using it I always feel great, even when I abruptly stopping smoking high-grade weed and start experience mild withdrawal. My body no longer feels the physical tension associated with withdrawal because it's being conditioned to deal with stress in a mentally relaxing manner. A sauna is stressful on the body but it's a controlled stress that helps condition the mind and body to handle stress. This is especially effective by alternating between sauna and freezing shower. Not trying to be a schill for the spa industry, though
Plain old exercise and physical activity also serve this purpose. Just something to think about.
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the toad
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Anxiety due to withdrawal symptoms isn't "real" its caused by a precieved chemical imbalance in the brain... and going to a sauna to alleviate anxiety isn't exactly an option in most cases...
In a real world situation I feel that confidence and understanding is the key to avoiding anxiety and insecurity...
I've been on both ends of the spectrum at different points in my life and neither were conducive to good decision making...
For the past few years however I have learned to look at things from a neutral place and decide with confidence the best course of action...
And now I never feel insecurity or anxiety... but I also am not overconfident or foolish in my decision making... I just look at the possibilities and decide calmly and rationally which path to utilize...
I'm not saying anyone is wrong or even that I'm right.... this is just how I feel and it works very well for me
In a real world situation I feel that confidence and understanding is the key to avoiding anxiety and insecurity...
I've been on both ends of the spectrum at different points in my life and neither were conducive to good decision making...
For the past few years however I have learned to look at things from a neutral place and decide with confidence the best course of action...
And now I never feel insecurity or anxiety... but I also am not overconfident or foolish in my decision making... I just look at the possibilities and decide calmly and rationally which path to utilize...
I'm not saying anyone is wrong or even that I'm right.... this is just how I feel and it works very well for me
Just because the anxiety of withdrawal is promted by physical withholding of an exogeneous chemical doesn't mean there isn't a psychological basis of said anxiety. Of course it's real. Trust me, I know. Couldn't it be said all anxiety is the result of some sort of "chemical imbalance"?
the toad
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yes absolutely... but the anxiety caused by withdrawal symptoms is directly related to changing the chemical balance manually... its not the brains response to outside stimuli...
The same way that taking a drug can induce or alleviate anxiety... its not anxiety because of a situation that your brain reacts to and changes the balance by its own accord... its the fact that you manually changed the chemistry and induced said result...
The same way that taking a drug can induce or alleviate anxiety... its not anxiety because of a situation that your brain reacts to and changes the balance by its own accord... its the fact that you manually changed the chemistry and induced said result...
Who says it isn't a combo of internal factors and external stimuli? Why do you think someone becomes a habitual user in the first place?
Point being, it just seems like this substance has a very strong tendency to make its users rational their usage at any cost due to its supposed 'thereputic benefit'. And I've seen some major grasping-at-straws in this process that the users themselves don't seem to see. I sort of wish I could give users of this substance a mandatory 3-month abstinence from it and let them report back to compare their judgement, energy, mood, etc of those two time frames. But I obviously can't do that, so I might as well try to give them something to consider at least.
Point being, it just seems like this substance has a very strong tendency to make its users rational their usage at any cost due to its supposed 'thereputic benefit'. And I've seen some major grasping-at-straws in this process that the users themselves don't seem to see. I sort of wish I could give users of this substance a mandatory 3-month abstinence from it and let them report back to compare their judgement, energy, mood, etc of those two time frames. But I obviously can't do that, so I might as well try to give them something to consider at least.
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Joy! I just received word a friend is willing to part with some of the first batch from the original uk vendors. I have another bit coming soon from reputable sources as well, but I found the later batches to differ from the first one quite some. The experience feels a bit colder compared to the original first batch of Mxe. Today I also received mxe which appeared to be a bit more soft and clumpy then what I'm used to. Somewhere along the lines of what 2c-e looks like. I have no doubt about the quality though, it came from one of the most respected RC-vendors out there.
I'm a happy duck.
(no need to tell how much of a drug you are acquiring fyi) - Cloudy
Edit: Excuse me in that case, got a bit too enthusiastic. Mxe has become one of my favourite substances as of recently
I'm a happy duck.
(no need to tell how much of a drug you are acquiring fyi) - Cloudy
Edit: Excuse me in that case, got a bit too enthusiastic. Mxe has become one of my favourite substances as of recently
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Maybe there's a discrepancy between what different people call anxiety here. I personally wasn't thinking about pathological anxiety that's exaggerated, irrational or chemically induced and can cause panic attacks in some people when JSPete said anxiety has a function. I was thinking about the type of anxiety that makes you not get into overly risky situations as a protective mechanism. The type that makes you fear running cars or that makes you think twice before walking up to a person you are very attracted to. In the former situation it could directly save your life in some situations, in the latter situation it serves to avoid being sanctioned and lowering your value to a whole group of people (thereby decreasing your chances to reproduce) or getting your head smashed in by a possibly existing partner of that person. This type of social anxiety probably doesn't have such an important function anymore in today's society, but it must've served as an important guide to increase you chances of reproduction in small communities.
On a rational level, one should always try to estimate the outcome of a situation as realistic as possible and being overly anxious does not help with that, but a certain amount of fear in some situations is perfectly physiological.
It's equally important in my experience to understand why certain situations are causing anxiety, since that helps to evaluate whether it is an appropriate reaction and what the various potential outcomes might look like. In the second example getting your ass kicked or being ridiculed (thereby diminishing your chances of mating with other observing members of the group) might still apply in many situations today, but knowing that this is the main cause for the anxiety before walking up to someone helps me to discard it as an irrational fear in other situations and allows me to accept the potential negative consequences as a calculated risk. I know quite a few people who are lacking these protective mechanisms to some degree and keep getting into trouble for it.
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I'm normally a notorious high doser, but i have to agree on this one. Alcohol is also a dissociative among other things, and its great to give it's dissociation an extra punch. And noone understands whats going on, you only appear more drunk than you should be on that amount of alcohol. Only problem is that you think there's something missing when you drink alcohol without MXE.
The impact on motor skills is very similar on low dose dissociatives and high dose alcohol, this makes me sometimes believe everybody had MXE or ket at the party, but its just me.
Major props to this substance. I found it friendlier than Ketamine and more fun and sociable than DXM. A great transition from DXM to another/stronger dissociative.
On a similar note, anyone hesitant about diving into a deeper level of dissociative playland by considering Methoxetamine I'd suggest it over Ketamine or large doses of DXM. It's got more personality than most dissociatives I've tried, it's not scary or riddles you with anxiety, and it's paradoxically(sp?) stimulating (which can be a good or bad thing, usually bad with dissociatives...).
Keep in mind that dosing is an important factor to keep in consideration. That and the chemicals "more-ish" nature. I did find myself doing 20mg bumps every 40 minutes. I didn't realize I had been dosing so close together a time-frame. Methoxetamine has an awesome effect on time dilation (one not to be underestimated) and can cause you to believe one hour is 3-4 hours.
I should mention it had a peculiar effect of removing my cravings/desire for alcohol, valium, and opiates. Or rather it exchanged the cravings of said drugs for that of Methoxetamine. In its seemingly playful and "helpful" qualities it may have shown to me, there is something, like all substances of addiction, insidious about Methoxetamine. Addiction and "innocently feeling" delusions to reinforce it's continued mis/use.
I was able to use the substance every night for about a week with no ill-effects on my classes or relationships, but I can see how a massive supply can inevitably cause one to fall down that rabbit hole and lose track of all reality for days, and weeks with this potentially understated substance.
When i've got time i'd love to give a more thought-provoking and clear-headed report on the substance. Off to class.
On a similar note, anyone hesitant about diving into a deeper level of dissociative playland by considering Methoxetamine I'd suggest it over Ketamine or large doses of DXM. It's got more personality than most dissociatives I've tried, it's not scary or riddles you with anxiety, and it's paradoxically(sp?) stimulating (which can be a good or bad thing, usually bad with dissociatives...).
Keep in mind that dosing is an important factor to keep in consideration. That and the chemicals "more-ish" nature. I did find myself doing 20mg bumps every 40 minutes. I didn't realize I had been dosing so close together a time-frame. Methoxetamine has an awesome effect on time dilation (one not to be underestimated) and can cause you to believe one hour is 3-4 hours.
I should mention it had a peculiar effect of removing my cravings/desire for alcohol, valium, and opiates. Or rather it exchanged the cravings of said drugs for that of Methoxetamine. In its seemingly playful and "helpful" qualities it may have shown to me, there is something, like all substances of addiction, insidious about Methoxetamine. Addiction and "innocently feeling" delusions to reinforce it's continued mis/use.
I was able to use the substance every night for about a week with no ill-effects on my classes or relationships, but I can see how a massive supply can inevitably cause one to fall down that rabbit hole and lose track of all reality for days, and weeks with this potentially understated substance.
When i've got time i'd love to give a more thought-provoking and clear-headed report on the substance. Off to class.
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