The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

[DriveThru]

How long before dosing should one take magnesium in order to prevent muscle tension? I've also wondered this with 2c-e. I just don't know if it's supposed quite a bit before you take it or an hour before or what.

 

[frontbluntt]

if you want to dissolve say 20 mg of DOC into 40ml of liquid to get a .5mg per ml ratio, but you want to store it, would you in fact use 20ml of distilled water and 20ml of high grade alcohol? Or would you use 40ml of water and 40ml of alcohol? I don't even know whether or not the DOC will mix with the alcohol the way mixes with water (sorry i'm retarded, but help would be much appreciated)

 

[IamMe90]

DOC will dissolve in alcohol fine

 

[DriveThru]

if you want to dissolve say 20 mg of DOC into 40ml of liquid to get a .5mg per ml ratio, but you want to store it, would you in fact use 20ml of distilled water and 20ml of high grade alcohol? Or would you use 40ml of water and 40ml of alcohol? I don't even know whether or not the DOC will mix with the alcohol the way mixes with water (sorry i'm retarded, but help would be much appreciated)

20/20. You may want to use a little more alcohol, depending on the strength. 25alc/15h2o, 30alc/10h2o

 

[frontbluntt]

20/20. You may want to use a little more alcohol, depending on the strength. 25alc/15h2o, 30alc/10h2o

THank you very much good sir!

 

[Survived Abortion]

Yes, if you want a 0.5mg/ml ratio then you want to make the final volume 40ml. So 20ml distilled water + 20ml alcohol is recommended. I use vodka for my solutions, which is 40% alcohol, or 2:5 ratio of alcohol to water. This is plenty to prevent bacterial growth.

 

[kobilica]

I also use same ratio as Survived Abortion. Vodka. (Trojka if you want to know).

DOC, people seem to like it a lot, the ratio of positive vs negative experiences (p/n) is quite high, and I am quite happy to see that, because we are going to try it soon. I already tried 1mg dose, quite euphoric and humoristic mental space I must say. A lot like LSD but still not quite it - LSD is very sharp and direct, very clear headed, while DOC is quite soft on both mind and body, also clearheaded. I tried LSD only one tab, and DOC 1mg, separately.

I have to add I have tried 2c-i, 2c-e, 2c-c and 2c-p and many other non psychedelic drugs, and I find only 2C-I and 2C-I+2C-C combo worth ingesting. I am not visual person (I don't hallucinate much), but I appreciate body load, mental space and euphoria from those drugs. I cannot rate visuals because I do not get them (ok I get some visuals but those are nothing compared to others).

The little secret, people know I have those chemicals and they ask me to give/sell them, and they rated DOC very high. Some of them sadly said that body load was very strong (electricity flowing through them) but they managed it. But I repeat, those were only 1 or 2 cases, not more. Many of them said that DOC is very noob friendly and easy.


Happy vibes .

 

[bbx4]

Does anyone else need about 10mg or more to really fly with DOC? I feel like I am living in an alternate universe. Anything less than 8mg I find quite boring. I have yet to surpass 10mg but I wasn't even really satisfied with the intensity of the trip at that dose.

Looking forward to combining it with some MXE later.

 

[JBrandon]

If you need 10mg to get going then you've got some very unique chemistry or you've got some cut product. The cutting and misrepresenting is more common than you'd think, a few years ago someone was trying to pass off 2C-I as DOC according to some reports at a different site.

 

[IamMe90]

I don't find it interesting until 7mg +. Had the purple... I just need more, I guess. At lower it is very, very mild to me. A very dull trip for 20 hours.

 

[Axed]

If I took 3-4mgs of DOC, but found it too mild, would taking another couple mgs heighten the trip? I know sometimes redosing isn't very effective.

 

[pharmakos]

boosting with another couple mg should work if you're not more than 6 or so hours in... remember that DOC can take a few hours to kick in in the first place though...

and to you guys reporting big doses, i gotta wonder if you're not just noticing the accrual of tolerance... i don't think the one week rule applies with this stuff since its duration is so long...

 

[IamMe90]

boosting with another couple mg should work if you're not more than 6 or so hours in... remember that DOC can take a few hours to kick in in the first place though...

and to you guys reporting big doses, i gotta wonder if you're not just noticing the accrual of tolerance... i don't think the one week rule applies with this stuff since its duration is so long...

My DOC experiences were 2 months apart. It's not tolerance... some people just react differently.

 

[plusfourpirate]

you really shouldnt have to take 7+ mg of DOC to trip. as an experienced psychonaut and hardhead, I find 2.5-3.5mg to be my sweet spot. Anything over4- 5 and i cant see 2ft in front of my face..not to mention the bodyload comes on strong at that level. Ive got a good deal of experience with the compound; for this past new yrs party i had about 30 ppl over and out of those 20 or more ate the sugarcubes, which had 2mg each on them. A few ppl decided to eat two, including myself..the ppl who ate two seperated themselves fro the rest of the party and went upstairs and layed down in the dark in awe of the visuals.

Somebody rolled a fatty at one point, and although i warned that it would increase effects to smoke, no one listened. They just laughed away

i ended up having two ppl freak out after that. i had a clan of crazy kids to babysit till the next afternoon..lol

needless to say no one found 2-4 mg boring out of over 20 ppl. since then i got a batch of what i can only assume is anothr isomer or something bc 1.5-2 mg of this new shit and you are fucking done for 24hrs+..

so idk man maybe youre shits weak...?that sux- wish it wasnt against the rules to share. it shouldnt take more than 4mg, at the most, for a phenominal experience IMO.

 

[IamMe90]

you really shouldnt have to take 7+ mg of DOC to trip. as an experienced psychonaut and hardhead, I find 2.5-3.5mg to be my sweet spot. Anything over4- 5 and i cant see 2ft in front of my face..not to mention the bodyload comes on strong at that level. Ive got a good deal of experience with the compound; for this past new yrs party i had about 30 ppl over and out of those 20 or more ate the sugarcubes, which had 2mg each on them. A few ppl decided to eat two, including myself..the ppl who ate two seperated themselves fro the rest of the party and went upstairs and layed down in the dark in awe of the visuals.

Somebody rolled a fatty at one point, and although i warned that it would increase effects to smoke, no one listened. They just laughed away

i ended up having two ppl freak out after that. i had a clan of crazy kids to babysit till the next afternoon..lol

needless to say no one found 2-4 mg boring out of over 20 ppl. since then i got a batch of what i can only assume is anothr isomer or something bc 1.5-2 mg of this new shit and you are fucking done for 24hrs+..

so idk man maybe youre shits weak...?that sux- wish it wasnt against the rules to share. it shouldnt take more than 4mg, at the most, for a phenominal experience IMO.

My shit is absolutely not weak, it is currently the most reputable DOC going around right now. YMMV

 

[plusfourpirate]

YMMV indeed.

wasnt trying to rip on your shit btw,

just sayin thats alot..crazy. have you tried a few different batches yourself?


oor..maybe a cross tolerance issue..do you take other amphetamines regularly?


medications i.e.ssris?



7mg of the most recent batch ive got would dominate you for a good weekend or so.we had an ongoing joke our moto was "still trippin" the next couple days where we'd wake up still tripping go to sleep, wake up again..mang still trippin lol. and that was a couple mg

 

[Jakeperson]

These get sold here as LSD more frequently than any other place in the world. Check out the DOI wiki page

You need at least 2 weeks between trips for this stuff, probably longer. The same amount roughly 7 days later will be around 1/2-2/3rds of full effect.

boosting with another couple mg should work if you're not more than 6 or so hours in... remember that DOC can take a few hours to kick in in the first place though...

and to you guys reporting big doses, i gotta wonder if you're not just noticing the accrual of tolerance... i don't think the one week rule applies with this stuff since its duration is so long...

 

[Help?!?!]

I found boosting with DOC to be supremely effective nasally. I added 1 mg insufflated to 3 mgs orally and it felt like the best/most effective redose I had ever taken. It really put me into a place I wanted to be. However in a couple of weeks i'll be researching DOC again and was wondering what everyone thought of trying 4.5 mgs orally this time. Last time I definitely could have taken more even after the nasal redose. So 4.5 or just shoot straight for 5? Benzos and everything needed to calm a crazed man will be apparent so a little going a little overboard wouldn't be to bad. I also don't know why everyone is so debative about people and the doses. I've noticed phenethylamines seem to be much more all over the place dosing wise versus tryptamines. Considering i'm almost fairly positive theres only two major distributors for DOC and these two were both tested at 98% DOC, that people want to debate with others about the doses their doing. As long as you bought it direct from one of the majors, it should not be cut and should surely be 98% DOC(unless what extreme heat during shipping degrades?). This means its just individual pharmacology just like it is when someone claims they need 30-50 mgs of 2c-e for a decent trip and I know most everyone has seen someone claim this especially on a big forum like BL. People seem to be advising dosing well anyways, all the big dosers still adivise the first timers to be sure to take it easy on the dose as the duration of this one isn't one to fuck around with. To be honest though if you really want to fuck with something as potent as DOC and toy around with a big dose the first time you do it with only references like natural tolerance, you deserve to be fucked in the ass for 23 hours(to bad when DOC/psychedelics fuck people they lose it and run nude down the street!).

 

[IamMe90]

YMMV indeed.

wasnt trying to rip on your shit btw,

just sayin thats alot..crazy. have you tried a few different batches yourself?


oor..maybe a cross tolerance issue..do you take other amphetamines regularly?


medications i.e.ssris?



7mg of the most recent batch ive got would dominate you for a good weekend or so.we had an ongoing joke our moto was "still trippin" the next couple days where we'd wake up still tripping go to sleep, wake up again..mang still trippin lol. and that was a couple mg

Sorry, didn't mean to come across so harshly but I seemingly to have to defend my DOC dosages here a lot.

I've tried a few white batches and the highly regarded purple batch, no cross tolerance issues, I don't take any sort of amphetamines regularly and the trips were far longer than two weeks apart, I'm not on any type of SSRI etc.

I'm not so sure if just because a drugs duration of action is twice as long, means that you can conclude it's tolerance will last doubly long. I mean, does mushroom tolerance take only half or two thirds of a week to decrease rather than the standard week?

 

[Solipsis]

I'm not so sure if just because a drugs duration of action is twice as long, means that you can conclude it's tolerance will last doubly long. I mean, does mushroom tolerance take only half or two thirds of a week to decrease rather than the standard week?

I don't think it's established or clear to assume that it would be the duration of exposure that influences tolerance. My suggestion is that it is first of all the affinity, which consequently influences the needed dose. For a number of potent phenethylamines it might seem like there is a correlation between affinity and resistance to metabolism (the latter of which is critical for duration of effects), but the NBOMe's are a fine exception to the rule. Apparently because of the cleaveable bomamine group. That amine is an important site for metabolism and almost all other psychedelics show variation in the structural formula in other parts of the molecule.
Looking at these NBOMe's and at DOX compounds as well we can infer that the affinity is what measures the extent of effects on receptors, which makes sense since a great affinity means a good fit (although there still has to be receptor activation otherwise you end up with an antagonist) and including the effects on the receptors can very well be tolerance from upregulation.
LSD has a high affinity but I think it acts strangely and as a sort of partial agonist if I'm correct, also cascade effects are from what I remember thought to be responsible for what it does so it may not fall into the same rules.

DMT shows us though that the exposure can be so very short that whatever the affinity is there is just hardly an opportunity to cause upregulation. I expect oral DMT to produce tolerance, never really thought about it or heard about it but to me it would fit the pattern. So duration of exposure still is a factor in all this, but not a primary one since a lot of psychedelics last for more than an hour.

Experience seems to tell us that beyond very short exposure there is a sort of minimum of a tolerance period. Perhaps weak psychedelics cause no more than a half week's tolerance but less than that is difficult. Perhaps the reason for this minimum is the same reason that the only compounds we include here follow a minimum of affinity and activity so of course the activity you experienced is correlated with the tolerance you get. Coarsely you can say that if you get a super weak trip you have less reason to worry about tolerance than if you get a very strong one.

Comments would be welcome.
There are a million things I could be wrong about here.