The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

[jkyl]

Agreed on all accounts, but I was mostly referring to this method for use at home. If I was to travel with this substance it would most certainly be measured out in capsules. I hardly trust myself to not spill a 20 bag of K and this stuff is a little more pricey haha.

 

[Bone14]

I just ordered some 4-ho-met. Normally i would plug it, but my tripmate is not much for plugging, so i was wondering is it possible to insufflate? Is more potent that way?

 

[eLeSaH]

My experiences:
20mg 4-ho-met. It was beautiful. Nice visuals. Everyone looked like world class art. Had some though loops. Smoked some weed at comedown, straight DMT Trip like from a book.

Next time:
20mg 4-ho-met + my usual dosage of a sativa strain at the 1 hour mark when I felt it kicked in completely. Indescribable, maybe reason why religions started at all. Mind was not very clear but it was an other form of sensing. Like having all senses at the "feel" sense. More real than life. Had some shaman drumming sounds in headphones.
Next time:
As I had some mindfuck I thought I should dose a little lower at 16-18mg. Sativa again at t+1h. I had other music at that time. Nice buddhist meditation music from google. I think there is no reason to describe anything in words. Go ahead and try it yourself. Bardo thödol describe the white light as the "you". I accpeted it as god and had same peace. It's a moment of peace. It's a moment of remembering I would say. It's like a spoiler of life Everything made sense, there was no confusion. We was always, we are always and we always will be. As I said it's indescribable anyway. It goes in the spiritual religious direction. It's the aim of all buddhists. It brang peace to my life. I completely changed my life after that. No hate. No greed. No envy. No pride. Was I dead? I don't know. Tried it with 3 other friends. One had the same experience. Two were afraid and a little in panic of dieing. I never believed in things like telepathy but we kinda still understood each other without words.

I tried many different psychedelics, it was not like having visuals or hallucinations like all the other time or without weed or jwh. My last two times I had panic attacks for 2 hours. Since then I can't use tryptamines anymore because I'm always getting a bad bodyload. Actually I don't need to do any psychedelics anymore. I have found my answer which I seeked.
Remember one thing. If you combine 4-ho-met with JWH or Weed it kinda brings you down. You won't feel the weed but you also won't feel 4-ho-met anymore. Prepare your cannabinoid dosages beforehand. If you do too much because you don't feel it, you will most likely have a panic attack.
Have fun, just get your headphones and lay down.

 

[kingme]

yes you can insufflate it, just adjut the dose.

also, today i had my first date with 4ho met. 15mg made for a wonderful day out, laughed, laid in the sun, listened to some tunes, and basically just let the world go for a little bit. surprisingly non visual, but it is a moderate low dose.
cant really say there was no body load, in fact i found it a bit more demanding than 4acodmt or 4acomipt, but ymmv

must write a tr soon, im still smiling heh

 

[DwayneHoover]

So I divided a 100mg sample 3 ways for 3 psychedelic fans to try for the first time (including me). Reasoning was better to go a little high and get a proper impression of what it does, than too low (25mg) and feel disappointed.

Good idea, or is 30 likely to be too intense for a first time on this particular molecule?

 

[transitioneer]

I've IMed about 15mg of 4-HO-MET with 25mg of ketamine (I don't know the isomer, unfortunately) in the same barrel, about 5 minutes after taking 7~mg of aMT orally. Mentally, I felt very clear headed, as I did on my previous (and first) experience with 4-HO-MET, which was 22mg~ orally after IMing/orally taking some aMT. I weighed out 30mg but did not have anything acidic to dissolve it in. After adding some heat I believe some of the aMT dissolved, which I shot. I then licked any goopy-residue that remained off of the scale-tray, so it's hard to say how much exactly I got. And even then, whether or not the aMT degraded due to the heat is in question.

The IM trip was fairly short lived, being about two hours back to near baseline, with the typical 4sub afterglow of giddy-excitement and the very cynical+social-ness that aMT gives me. The visuals of this trip were by far the most interesting of any substance I've taken. I normally don't get much visually, open or closed-eye, but there was a purple/green viscous fluid coming out of the ceiling and oozing all over. Music was fantastic, and I was very able to conduct myself in a social manner

I couldn't see this substance as being a catalyst for bad experience really, I will try upping the dose next time I receive a sample but both of my experiences with this chemical have revealed it to be a very good social/recreational drug.

 

[Incunabula]

So I divided a 100mg sample 3 ways for 3 psychedelic fans to try for the first time (including me). Reasoning was better to go a little high and get a proper impression of what it does, than too low (25mg) and feel disappointed.

Good idea, or is 30 likely to be too intense for a first time on this particular molecule?

If your using precise liquid dosing, you should get 33,3 mg each

it´s a bit high, but not too high. I´d definitely say go for it. As I know you, you might get disappointed from 25 mg without a chance to try again, as you only have 100 mg total.

I assume you have the fumarate salt?

 

[kingme]

So I divided a 100mg sample 3 ways for 3 psychedelic fans to try for the first time (including me). Reasoning was better to go a little high and get a proper impression of what it does, than too low (25mg) and feel disappointed.

Good idea, or is 30 likely to be too intense for a first time on this particular molecule?

that kinda depends on everyones tolerances and preferences, as well as set and setting. 33 each is supposedly a high dose, but for experienced people it shouldnt be an insurmountable problem. plus, i find it a very controllable psychedelic. sounds like good times ahead

 

[Bone14]

Kingme: "yes you can insufflate it, just adjut the dose."

Im looking for a medium-high dose, with visauls and a little intense but not overly intense. What dose should be insluffated? 20-25mg? I weight 200lbs and from previous experiences with drugs i can say im less sensetive that most people.

 

[hansimglück]

Anyone here who tried around with dosage ranges for rectal administration? A friend (~190 lbs) tried 12mgs administered rectally for his first trip and it was extremly intense for him. I tried 15mgs orally (about 130 lbs) and it produced a mild visual trip.

Is it safe to assume that approx. half of the oral dose administered rectally gives almost the same intensity?

 

[Incunabula]

Hamsingluck. I don´t know, but I think it could be almost triple strength when plugged......

What I do know for a fact, though, is that when insufflated it´s double the potency of oral. 14 mg insufflated worked like 24-26 mg oral for me. Or there abouts.

It´s quite tolerable for the nostrils too.

YMMW

 

[kingme]

Kingme: "yes you can insufflate it, just adjut the dose."

Im looking for a medium-high dose, with visauls and a little intense but not overly intense. What dose should be insluffated? 20-25mg? I weight 200lbs and from previous experiences with drugs i can say im less sensetive that most people.

you should look a bit through this thread, theres more people reporting on insufflated doses, but the general idea is that insufflated is twice as potent as oral. theres really no way i could guess what will give you the trip you are looking for, but if i were you and this would be my first time, id probably not go over 20mg the first time. thats supposedly the equivalent of 40 oral, which is a rather high dose.
but ill always say that taking less is better than taking too much.

 

[eLeSaH]

Insufflating has also a higher bodyload imho. Same counts for 2c-e.

 

[allium]

Hm, IME, 4-HO-MET have almost no physical side effects(in oral 15-30 mg range). Unlike 2C-E, which is magical psychedelic to me, but has terrible bodyload.

 

[Survived Abortion]

Anyone here who tried around with dosage ranges for rectal administration? A friend (~190 lbs) tried 12mgs administered rectally for his first trip and it was extremly intense for him. I tried 15mgs orally (about 130 lbs) and it produced a mild visual trip.

Is it safe to assume that approx. half of the oral dose administered rectally gives almost the same intensity?

Yes, rectal is quite a lot more potent than oral dosing with 4-ho-met, like many compounds. I suppose you could say double, but I'm not sure of the precise quantitative value. It's a very rough approximation. A rectal dose comes on pretty fast and the peak is quite intense, but still very nice in the way that metocin is. If you are experimenting, give yourself the leeway of assuming it is twice the oral potency. You wont be far out, but it shouldn't be any more than that. If anything it's probably a bit less, but the rush to the peak gives it the feeling of intensity.

 

[DwayneHoover]

I just do NOT get all the people on here constantly advising rectally dosing everything. I mean who wants to go into the bathroom and squirt some liquid up their butt to start a drug trip. Not a pleasant beginning IMO, I think its ASS-anine, haha. Rather inconvenient too... what do you sit there with your butt in the air till it soaks in, so you are sure half of it does not dribble out? The sphincter is not perfect you know. Just give me something I can swallow (or perhaps snort).

 

[Survived Abortion]

^Haha, Dwayne you are joking right? Rectal dosing is an amazing route of administration. It provides for one of the best ways to the peak, much better than insufflation, and safer than IM or IV. There's no needles, no nasty smoke to inhale, and you don't block your sinuses with caustic material. The comeup from rectal administration of phenethylamine and tryptamine psychedelics is so smooth yet powerful and a great rush. I just don't see any negatives to it whatsoever.

You don't need to go in to the bathroom to do it either, you can do it anywhere. Just put some lube on the end of the syringe nozzle (durex Play works well, I like the 'Tingle' version), then slide it gently in and press the plunger. Remove the syringe and discard. There's really not that much to it. No, it doesn't dribble out of your ass Dwayne. Not unless you've just been having vigorous anal sex, then things may be a bit loose. Try it some day, you might just take a liking .

 

[eLeSaH]

Hm, IME, 4-HO-MET have almost no physical side effects(in oral 15-30 mg range). Unlike 2C-E, which is magical psychedelic to me, but has terrible bodyload.

I don't know. Much changed for me. I can't use tryptamines anymore, can't even use cannabis. It was like I used 20mg first, then 18mg, then 20mg (wtf was too much bodyload-wise), then 15mg, had same effects as first 20mg. Now 15mg is even too much, I could use less than 10mg. It's not visually alone but I combine with JWH-250, which potentiates it waaaaay more without giving me thought loops or mindfuck.

By the way. Did anyone try 20mg 4-ho-met oral+ your normal dosage of JWH-250 vaped at t+1h alreay? You should do it, alternatively with a sativa strain instead but watch out. You won't get high, you will get sober subjective feeling. But you can still OD on the cannabinoid -> panic. Panic on that combo will send you right into fight-or-flight mode. My advice would be, get some eyeshades, find some good meditation music and lay down and just have a good experience. I would be really interested how you like it. I gave it already to a friend that way and let's say there are some similarities :D

 

[DwayneHoover]

^Haha, Dwayne you are joking right? Rectal dosing is an amazing route of administration. It provides for one of the best ways to the peak, much better than insufflation, and safer than IM or IV. There's no needles, no nasty smoke to inhale, and you don't block your sinuses with caustic material. The comeup from rectal administration of phenethylamine and tryptamine psychedelics is so smooth yet powerful and a great rush. I just don't see any negatives to it whatsoever.

You don't need to go in to the bathroom to do it either, you can do it anywhere. Just put some lube on the end of the syringe nozzle (durex Play works well, I like the 'Tingle' version), then slide it gently in and press the plunger. Remove the syringe and discard. There's really not that much to it. No, it doesn't dribble out of your ass Dwayne. Not unless you've just been having vigorous anal sex, then things may be a bit loose. Try it some day, you might just take a liking .

Well I tried it once when I was running low on methylone to stretch the dose and felt next to nothing. However (1) that is a high dose thing which perhaps does not lend itself well to plugging (130mg), and (2) as it was such a volume of powder I just put it in a gel cap, wet it and stuck it up there followed by a squirt of water. Nothing. Perhaps my ass absorbed the water before it could dissolve the cap and emulsify the drug, so bad form experiment I guess.

 

[hansimglück]

Well I tried it once when I was running low on methylone to stretch the dose and felt next to nothing. However (1) that is a high dose thing which perhaps does not lend itself well to plugging (130mg), and (2) as it was such a volume of powder I just put it in a gel cap, wet it and stuck it up there followed by a squirt of water. Nothing. Perhaps my ass absorbed the water before it could dissolve the cap and emulsify the drug, so bad form experiment I guess.

Imho dissolving the material in a bit of water and using a syringe just like Survived Abortion described is a much better way to go. I'm not sure if a gel cap could dissolve properly "down there", even with a small amount of water added.

Regarding rectal administration: Some months ago I didn't think that I would try that once, but then my roommate, who is very experienced with plugging different substances, told be about that roa. I was curious, but somehow the idea felt strange to stuff something into my 'back door'. But since I never saw a warning sign a la "No Trespassers!" and I don't have a strange attitude towards my own body I gave it a try. I wasn't really convinced, but still surprised. A fast come up and a very intense peak compared to a very low dose (efficiency is a factor if you don't have a lot of money to spend on material). The only downside was the burning sensation, but I was told 2cb isn't the best substance to try that roa for the first time (wtf, compared to that insufflating is balm to your nose). Fortunately in every experiment the strange feeling stopped before the trip began, so I never came up with my butt 'hurting' which might influence the trip.

It didn't turn me into a 'butt crackhead' and I still prefer the 'classic' roa's since rectal administration is a thing I would just do at home, but unless someone doesn't have any complexes (no, this is not gay.) you should give it a try. The benefits outweigh the weirdness.