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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three
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frontbluntt
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4-AcO-DMT... any nausea?
Can I expect any nausea from this chem? (For the record I don't get nausea from shrooms, maybe a little queasiness at most)
I'm mostly wondering how it would compare to 2C nausea
Can I expect any nausea from this chem? (For the record I don't get nausea from shrooms, maybe a little queasiness at most)
I'm mostly wondering how it would compare to 2C nausea
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I think the general consensus would be there's not much nausea.
Personally I've had a bit of nausea on a few of my trips but nothing major, I definitely get more from most 2c's
Personally I've had a bit of nausea on a few of my trips but nothing major, I definitely get more from most 2c's
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I've never gotten nausea from 4-aco-dmt. I never got nausea from 2c-i either but that's the only 2c I've tried.
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Thanks guys!
The first time i took 4aco i had no intestinal discomfort. The second time i could feel myself having some slight "gurgelings" in my intestine, and then after the trip was over and i came back home i took one massive explosive shit. I did drink alcohol the night before though, which I think may have had something to do with it. It wasn't super annoying or anything.
I was nauseous for the come-up of my trip, but maybe it was due to a high-ish dose (35mg). I kind of just dealt with it though, and it passed.
I would say it wasn't as bad as the nausea I have endured from 2C-E.
Enter Galactic
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I have to say that this is definitely active smoked, and I have barely heard anyone talk about smoking it. I suppose it is sketchy because it is a research chemical, but I quite enjoy it. Put it on top of a little herb in a bowl and put another layer of herb over that. Smoke it and hold in for as long as possible. I held it in for about 10 seconds or so. The come up is faster and the overall length is shorter. The come up being faster is a big advantage for me as it stops me from being as anxious about tripping as I have been. It might be slightly more potent than an oral dose although I have only tried it in small doses so far.
Trip report:
Yesterday I smoked 6mg followed by another 3-4mg half way through the trip. It gave me one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had. The visuals weren't very strong for the most part. The kind you could ignore if you wanted to. I had to be sitting down and looking for them to really see them at all, and as I did that I found that one visual was turned into one of the clearest open eye visuals I have ever had.
As I was laying down on the couch trying to meditate and get some CEVs going, I opened my eyes to find that the fractal pattern on the ceiling had become very bright and well defined. I stared at it for a bit, and as I stared the fractal pattern suddenly morphed into a ball of green light on my ceiling (sounds crazy, I know). I stared at the light and watched as it swirled around on the ceiling, moving almost as if it were sentient. The light then exploded back into a fractal that was now 3 dimensional and started to take over my whole vision. I closed my eyes to see if I would see it on my eyelids. I saw nothing. I opened my eyes again and the 3 dimensional pattern, that seemed to have infinite depth was still taking over my vision. My peripheral vision turned white, and the next thing I know my entire vision whited out and all I could see was this fractal in full detail as if I were having a CEV. I felt like I was being pulled into the fractal, and it was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I was shocked and overwhelmed and couldn't hold my concentration on it. The white faded back into my living room as I came out of it and started crying because of how beautiful it was. I think this is something that usually takes a larger dose. The amazing thing about this was that I remembered it extremely well because of how clear headed I was at this dose.
I will definitely be trying this again smoked. This is with 4-AcO-DMT fumarate by the way.
Trip report:
Yesterday I smoked 6mg followed by another 3-4mg half way through the trip. It gave me one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had. The visuals weren't very strong for the most part. The kind you could ignore if you wanted to. I had to be sitting down and looking for them to really see them at all, and as I did that I found that one visual was turned into one of the clearest open eye visuals I have ever had.
As I was laying down on the couch trying to meditate and get some CEVs going, I opened my eyes to find that the fractal pattern on the ceiling had become very bright and well defined. I stared at it for a bit, and as I stared the fractal pattern suddenly morphed into a ball of green light on my ceiling (sounds crazy, I know). I stared at the light and watched as it swirled around on the ceiling, moving almost as if it were sentient. The light then exploded back into a fractal that was now 3 dimensional and started to take over my whole vision. I closed my eyes to see if I would see it on my eyelids. I saw nothing. I opened my eyes again and the 3 dimensional pattern, that seemed to have infinite depth was still taking over my vision. My peripheral vision turned white, and the next thing I know my entire vision whited out and all I could see was this fractal in full detail as if I were having a CEV. I felt like I was being pulled into the fractal, and it was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I was shocked and overwhelmed and couldn't hold my concentration on it. The white faded back into my living room as I came out of it and started crying because of how beautiful it was. I think this is something that usually takes a larger dose. The amazing thing about this was that I remembered it extremely well because of how clear headed I was at this dose.
I will definitely be trying this again smoked. This is with 4-AcO-DMT fumarate by the way.
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Enter Galactic
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It was probably 2 hours or so. I wasn't keeping track of time all that well really, and the booster dose affected the length and the peak I'm sure. Next time I will make better note of what time it is.
Very cool. My 4-aco is a white powder. Would that be fumerate?
I'm interested in this smoking method. My experiences with this wonderful chemical have been limited to orally taking fairly high doses. And while I have an amazing trip, I find that I have difficulty recalling things from my trip other than major plot points. I think a lot of this has to do with the euphoric energy and cycling that I feel, that makes it hard to focus. I'm hoping that if I smoke a lower dose, I'll be able to explore OEVs and CEVs more.
Also, for me the come-up involves an intense body load. Mostly it is the extreme nausea that makes the transport to 4-aco world so awful. Is there anything I can do/take to combat this?
I'm interested in this smoking method. My experiences with this wonderful chemical have been limited to orally taking fairly high doses. And while I have an amazing trip, I find that I have difficulty recalling things from my trip other than major plot points. I think a lot of this has to do with the euphoric energy and cycling that I feel, that makes it hard to focus. I'm hoping that if I smoke a lower dose, I'll be able to explore OEVs and CEVs more.
Also, for me the come-up involves an intense body load. Mostly it is the extreme nausea that makes the transport to 4-aco world so awful. Is there anything I can do/take to combat this?
Enter Galactic
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I'm not sure, as I've only worked with the fumarate, but I think most 4-AcO-DMT going around is the fumarate. Mine is white as well.
I agree about the high doses being hard to remember. I found 45mg to be extremely hazy afterward. I woke up and thought for a couple of minutes that the entire trip was actually a dream. The body load was also awful. I found 25mg to provide me with what I considered a breakthrough experience and while there was body load it was no where near the 45mg level. I could also remember it much better, but I haven't gone back there yet because of how intense it was.
I always smoked weed to combat the body load at high doses, but this definitely potentiated the trip for me. If I trip orally now I prefer to wait until I've peaked before I smoke. I like to smoke it with weed however because it potentiates it but the come up isn't an eternity.
I agree about the high doses being hard to remember. I found 45mg to be extremely hazy afterward. I woke up and thought for a couple of minutes that the entire trip was actually a dream. The body load was also awful. I found 25mg to provide me with what I considered a breakthrough experience and while there was body load it was no where near the 45mg level. I could also remember it much better, but I haven't gone back there yet because of how intense it was.
I always smoked weed to combat the body load at high doses, but this definitely potentiated the trip for me. If I trip orally now I prefer to wait until I've peaked before I smoke. I like to smoke it with weed however because it potentiates it but the come up isn't an eternity.
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I've tried 4-AcO once myself and it was a white powder. I think I took between 15 and 20mg. It was a very dream trip from what I remember, very vivid and relaxed. Mushrooms, on the other hand, are almost ALWAYS anxiogenic for me :/
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I'm really interested in smoking this now too, I had previously read somewhere that it wasn't very active smoked. What would you compare the intensity of your smoked 4-aco-dmt trip to? In terms of an oral or insufflated dose?
Enter Galactic
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I've never tried insufflated so I can't say about that, but for oral I would say the intensity was at least equal to an oral dose of the same size, if not slightly stronger. I think that will be easier to gauge at a higher dose than what I took though. So I don't want to say for sure because I'm not sure how smoking it might affect the dose curve.
I had read that it wasn't active as well, but it's possible that the few people who have done it didn't inhale for long enough or just didn't smoke it properly.
I had read that it wasn't active as well, but it's possible that the few people who have done it didn't inhale for long enough or just didn't smoke it properly.
Does it need to be melted and vaporized like DMT? I want to do this, but I wasn't very good at smoking DMT the one time I had the opportunity to try it.
&Yes, I was planning on lowering my dose for next time to somewhere around 25mgs. Do you find that you still feel euphoric at this level?
Also, I've smoked weed before taking the 4-aco, and it didn't help with the bodyload. Then, once I start coming up (also even when I'm peaking/plateauing), I have no desire to smoke any. I might look into Benadryl.
&Yes, I was planning on lowering my dose for next time to somewhere around 25mgs. Do you find that you still feel euphoric at this level?
Also, I've smoked weed before taking the 4-aco, and it didn't help with the bodyload. Then, once I start coming up (also even when I'm peaking/plateauing), I have no desire to smoke any. I might look into Benadryl.
Enter Galactic
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I bet it would work if you did it like DMT. I have tried it in a magic flight launch box as well and that didn't seem to work very well at all. You can smoke DMT in a bowl if it's sandwiched between weed, which is where I got the method I used (which is really just a crude way of vaporizing it anyway right?). If you are experienced with vaporizing DMT and you have 4-AcO-DMT, you could probably do it the same way I would think.
25mgs is euphoric for me. I've found it euphoric at even the lowest doses. In my experience the euphoria can definitely vary from trip to trip with 4-AcO-DMT though.
Probably the reason weed works for me with body load is because I smoke some mid-grade shit that sticks you to the couch. I wouldn't say it cures it by any means, but I feel like it makes a difference.
25mgs is euphoric for me. I've found it euphoric at even the lowest doses. In my experience the euphoria can definitely vary from trip to trip with 4-AcO-DMT though.
Probably the reason weed works for me with body load is because I smoke some mid-grade shit that sticks you to the couch. I wouldn't say it cures it by any means, but I feel like it makes a difference.
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