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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three

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cautioususer said:
I think the nausea has something to do with initial serotonin activation or just the extreme mental change in motions around you or something, I got the exact same thing with shroom tea, no stomach discomfort really just this sea sickness (and I never get sea sick) sorta feeling like I need to throw up, but I never really actually had to. Glad to hear it wears away after the come up on 4 aco. Thanks for the feedback! :)
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I'm reading Naked Lunch right now, and I came upon this quote that was too perfect to pass up:

"It occurs to me that the preliminary yage nausea is motion sickness of transport to the yage state..."

What he refers to here as yage, he also calls it ayuhausca. Not quite 4-aco, but you can draw a lot of parallels.
 
Me and my friends each have some experience with both mushrooms and 4-AcO-DMT. We find that the visual and mental effects of the trip are very similar but overall prefer 4-AcO-DMT for a multitude of reasons. The most important is that we know the dose we're taking. The first 1/16th I ate was half the potency of the second. Second there is less body load and a smoother come up due to the fact that there is less going into the stomach. Shrooms can taste bad, a gel cap doesn't.
 
:Shrooms:

Pros.
-More intense come-up
-Less predictable (more fun?)
-More lsd-like visuals for me, more of a "being ripped from myself" feeling
-It has it's own "shroomy" feeling that 4-aco doesn't quite meet

Cons.
-Terrible tummy pains
-Nausea
-You have to eat fungus
-You never know exactly how much you're dosing

:4-AcO:

Pros.
-You can plug it for a 10min come-up
-Less body load
-No fungusy side effects like tummy ache and weird taste
-More dmt-like visuals, fractals instead of morphing
-You can know exactly how much you're taking
-It feels smoother, my opinion is that it's because your body is absorbing the chemical in pure form, uniformly, as opposed to having to break down fungus flesh in your belly
-No nausea!

Cons.
-I get "the fear" simply because it's a new, barely-researched, synthetic, lab-made chemical ("What if its contaminated?" "What if it was mislabeled?" "WHere did this batch come from" "What if this chemical turns out to be toxic"... these kinds of thoughts. lol)



I prefer the 4aco, mostly because it is nausea-free and has given me faster, more dmt-like visuals. I have not sampled shrooms in a long time though. Both shrooms and 4aco can produce greatly varying effects each time, though, meaning some of my 4aco trips have felt exactly like mushrooms and some of my mush trips have been a lot like 4aco. But I still say 4aco is more dmt-like, and shrooms are more like lsd..
 
I would say that 4-AcO-DMT can be more or less euphoric, same for chaos, clear mindedness, all that jazz. I also feel cold on both. They're quite similar for me, just a smoother come up so less muscle tension and a bit more comfortable.
 
Is there anything besides Benadryl that people can suggest to help me with the bodyload I get during the comeup of 4-aco? I'll be taking it again tomorrow night, and it would be amazing if I didn't get insanely nauseous.
 
Most people say that the come up for 4-aco is a lot easier for shrooms, but for some reason psychedelics always make me nauseous.

But if you want to do it like that, let me suggest that you dissolve it into a drink, and slowly sip on it for a while.
 
If it is fumatate or HCl salt it will easilly dissolve in water. If freebase then not
 
Enter Galactic said:
That sounds nice actually. Would it dissolve easily?
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This is how I've dosed all my RCs-- dissolved in something like orange juice or iced tea, to mask the chemical taste. If you have a powder like I do, it dissolves readily. Normally I drink it fairly quickly, but this time I think I'm going to follow my own advice and take it slow.
 
If it makes you nauseous just snort it instead.

Unlike 2C-x and a lot of other chemicals, 4-aco-DMT seems pretty much exactly the same when you sniff it. Maybe comes on slightly faster, but easier on the stomach as well.

Try insufflating it in 10mg increments, spaced 15 minutes apart. Or 5mg increments spaced 10 minutes apart (depending how high you want to dose, I guess). You can sort of titrate your dose this way, too. I find it equipotent when sniffed as when eaten.
 
Well, last night I smoked a ton of weed before hand and during the come-up, and I drank the 4-aco dissolved in apple cider slowly, and no nausea! I'm so pleased with myself. It made the come-up slower, but it was gentle and enjoyable. At first I thought I just wasn't going to trip as hard as my other friends (who drank theirs quickly), but I reached their level in due time. Another great, great experience.
 
I plan on dosing it like that the next time I dose orally^

today I tried a low dose of DXM (135mg) followed by smoking a moderate dose of jwh-210 and smoking about 10mg of 4-AcO-DMT. This was enough to take me deep into inter-dimensional style CEVs and strong OEVs if I focused on them. Also I should mention that the DXM rid me of the pre-trip anxiety that I've been experiencing, and I had zero nausea during the 4-AcO come up (though I was laying in bed while I came up on it, which probably helped too).
 
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Well, it does sound like a 4-ACO-DMT trip; you just got more than you expected, i guess.
 
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Sounds like a typical trip to me... That strange introspective thinking you describe is why most people enjoy psychedelics.
 
If there was a like button like facebook i'd have like a million likes...

I'm the dude that, didn't invent, but, got a chinese company to finally (after years of searching) synth me some 4-aco-dmt. In 2006.

I mean, they offered the DET or DiPT or ... etc typical analogs... nothing new.. just business to them.

I got myself 10g of 4-aco-dmt fumarate (you wonder why you see fumarate salts of stuff nowadays? its related to this) for $900 or so shipped express. I miss those days...

Its so good they offered it on their menu.. rest is history.. i can't even contact that company now but the main biggie has been let loose who knows who makes it now - wish i knew.. but i think they are dumb fucks for not trying to sell 4-aco-dmt before i begged and sent links on how to synth it (old rhodium archives... fumarate salt worked great). I wonder how much profit has been made after that first custom synth i got... none came back to me lol thats for sure.

if it wasn't for me getting that first custom synth (took more than dollars to persuade them) you all would not be talkin' about 4-aco-dmt at all. I rarely post on this name anymore but, thanks in advance :) you wouldn't have this gem if i wasn't so motivated to get it fucking SYNTHED and out there. I guess fumarate salts are easier than HCL or more profitable thats why you've never seen 'em before ... ~'06ish.

- edit: actually its just HCl salts of DMT related compounds are hard to crystallize for some reason and fumarate works (as does the phosphate salt, i only know because i made some)
 
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I've read so many reports of people saying how "smooth" 4-ACO-DMT is, and how they would go out to parks and toss frisbees or whatever while on this. There was NO WAY I could have done anything like that. I was unable to walk straight, I was passing out, and my mind was somewhere on Europa.
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if this was your first psychedelic experience and had no idea what to expect... and i have (i dont know?) no clue on what doses you took, i can imagine what your talking about. I dunno where you got your 4-aco-dmt dose from but i bet it was above 25mg and just kicked your ass.

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Wow 10mg... I'm surprised anyone would even notice anything at that dose.. try 5mg next time?

also are you sure you have an accurate scale? sometimes those cheap dia-20/10's from china need a slap or two every now and then ;) but they recalibrate etc blah.
 
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^ It was your first psychedelic experience, no? Psychedelics are powerful mind drugs... What you're describing is certainly not unheard of. I imagine that once you're more familiar with the drug you will know how much is a light dose and how much is a heavy dose, and what you could or couldn't take in public.
 
square, I tried it for the first time last week and I would say that if I did 10mg, I probably would have had a pretty intense trip like you did. I don't have much experience with psychs either; my first was with mescaline, which is also considered a "smooth", mild psych, but it was more than I should have done.
My scale is probably not as accurate as yours so I started very very low--3mg--and got mild but notable effects; I'll probably just step up a gram or two next time.
Another thing to consider is your ROA. I always plug my RCs because I don't want to deal with the nausea; might be something for you to consider too.
 
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