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[NBOMe Subthread] Laying Blotter

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I picked up 30mg of 25C-NBOMe today from my neighborhood vendor (chemistry nerd <3) and I don't feel safe with having anything that is active in micro grams lying around so I would feel more comfortable if it was put onto blotter. For those who don't know 25C-NBOMe's average dose is 3/10th of a mg. I have already found an archive on how to lay lsd to use as a reference but if a very nice bluelighter would help me do the math of liquid I would need or anything else you could think of I would really appreciate it. So I have 100 doses of .3mg and 1/4inch perefrated blotting paper I cut into a 100 sheet (10x10), how should I go about laying it? How much liquid do I dissolve the powder into?
Thanks in advance
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^Nope but I do plan on giving it to myself and my friends and if you were to trust anyone on dosing you with micrograms you would be downrightdumb. My supplier scaled it out exactly 30mg so I know what I have now, eyeballing is impossible so I thought the best way would be to put it on blotters.
 
I'm going to assume you aren't trying to pass it off as lsd and give you advice. Don't lay blotter, you don't have enough material to lay sheets evenly. The single drop on each hit system sucks and will result in uneven dosing and you don't have anywhere close to enough material to lay sheets by dipping them in concentrate.

This isn't lsd, we have no idea what the margin of error is in dosage. Don't die.

Forget blotter.

If you want to be safe start by weighing your sample to ensure it actually is 30mg and then make a liquid solution of 100mcg per ml. Purchase a graduated cylinder and measure out 300ml. Dissolve your phen. Use a 1ml syringe to dose.

Edit: You had better weigh it yourself. Never trust a supplier to weigh anything. There is a reason people back their OWN parachutes.
 
kong said:
I'm going to assume you aren't trying to pass it off as lsd and give you advice. Don't lay blotter, you don't have enough material to lay sheets evenly. The single drop on each hit system sucks and will result in uneven dosing and you don't have anywhere close to enough material to lay sheets by dipping them in concentrate.

This isn't lsd, we have no idea what the margin of error is in dosage. Don't die.

Forget blotter.

If you want to be safe start by weighing your sample to ensure it actually is 30mg and then make a liquid solution of 100mcg per ml. Purchase a graduated cylinder and measure out 300ml. Dissolve your phen. Use a 1ml syringe to dose.

Edit: You had better weigh it yourself. Never trust a supplier to weigh anything. There is a reason people back their OWN parachutes.
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Thanks for being helpful like the first person, and no, I respect people in general to much to give someone something other than what they think they are getting. I'll go with the liquid method and use the syringe.
 
if you don't know how to do this, you probably shouldn't be doing it. Secondly, asking this type of thing is against the rules here. We're not here to help you distribute any substance, legal or otherwise.

kong said:
I'm going to assume you aren't trying to pass it off as lsd and give you advice. Don't lay blotter, you don't have enough material to lay sheets evenly. The single drop on each hit system sucks and will result in uneven dosing and you don't have anywhere close to enough material to lay sheets by dipping them in concentrate.

This isn't lsd, we have no idea what the margin of error is in dosage. Don't die.

Forget blotter.

If you want to be safe start by weighing your sample to ensure it actually is 30mg and then make a liquid solution of 100mcg per ml. Purchase a graduated cylinder and measure out 300ml. Dissolve your phen. Use a 1ml syringe to dose.

Edit: You had better weigh it yourself. Never trust a supplier to weigh anything. There is a reason people back their OWN parachutes.
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this is good advice though.
 
[25X-NBOMe Subthread] Laying Blotter

i plan to lay 25b onto blotter
so i figured id make an initial solution of 8ml everclear, 100mg 25bnbome, and 900mg (HPβCD)
i would be laying 500mcg doses on half inch squares (for more surface area) i would lay about 25 doses at a time
what i plan to do is dilute 2ml of my original solution with another 13ml of everclear and use a half ounce spray bottle and assuming my 2.5x2.5in. square of blotter will hold 3ml of solution id do 5 coats sprayed evenly amongs the paper.
the reason i would dilutute it and spray it on the blotter appossed to soaking the paper on a solution is so id have less risk for uneven distribution.
anybody with experience in laying nbome wanna shead some (blue)light on this? any advice would be much appreciated! thanks everybody!
 
Firstly you only need 400mg of HPβCD to 100mg of 25b-NBOMe.

Spraying is not a good idea. You need to work out the maximum amount of liquid a sheet soaks up. Then multiply your required dose by the number of squares on a sheet. Then dissolve the calculated amount of NBOMe and 4-5 times as much Cyclodextrin in the amount of liquid that you know the sheet can hold and strap it to a vibrator or electric toothbrush. After an hour of agitating, soak the sheet evenly with the solution and lay it flat to dry.

Note: this info is concise and you need to do more reading on the topic before laying your own blotters. If you are not suitably prepared, you are likely to put yourself, or worse, somebody else in danger.

Don't use a dropper as suggested above. Dosing each square individually will cause you to get an uneven spread.
 
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I concur, follow Anon's advice and never use droppers.

Spraying is also a bad idea for amateurs, but I have heard of professional misting setups or something like that.

If you want to get an even spread you need to saturate the blotter paper with as much solution as it can stand to hold. That way you know it is even, because it is in every nook and cranny so to speak. To know how much exactly that is, you need to know the absorbency like Anon said. Test this with the same solvent but without the drugs in them.
You do this by first weighing the blotter paper when dry, then soaking it absolutely wet but to the point that it does not drip anymore at all. Do not undersaturate or oversaturate. Undersaturation will mean it can absorb more and oversaturation means it has too much and will drip or expell the liquid in some other way.
The difference in weight between the two is the weight of the liquid it can apparently hold. Use that amount of liquid to dissolve the drug (+HPβCD), and span fine wires or mesh so that the wet blotter paper can dry. Then get something like a film developing tray and pour the solution, let the paper absorb it all and let it dry.
 
even after diluting the original solution and doing 5 seperate coats uneven distribution would still be likely? and anon from what i read its usually a 8:1 ratio would using more than 400mg do any harm or would it just be a wast of cyclodextrin?
ive concidered soaking, but wouldnt some of the solution stick on the pyrex dish? the dish id be using would be larger than the paper
 
More cyclodextrin would not really do any harm as long as you are sure that it doesn't make you reach the saturation point of the paper too quickly. So what if the amount of cyclodextrin is not maximally optimal, I would not be too spastic about it if it might get you into trouble with getting it all in the paper.

Some small amount of solution might be left over, but if you get the absorbency of the paper right it should be taken up into the paper because it blots it. If you use a larger dish you could still push the sheet around a bit and let it take its time to soak it up properly.

Yes the process may not be 100% clean, but if you have small difficulties getting it all in the paper that is a sign that the paper has already absorbed so much everywhere that it has a hard time taking in anymore. And that point is the same everywhere on the paper. So I still think that it is theoretically superior to a method that uses something like spraying which could mean much bigger losses.

However if you use a way to pour or spray the solution on the paper delicately and slowly starting from the middle, instead of pouring it into the dish first, then you could have the best of both worlds. In time the solution will soak/blot towards the edges.
But you must do this before it really starts evaporating otherwise there can still be uneven spread. I do not know if it is actually possible to spray on pour onto the blotter laying in the tray fast enough so that there is no significant evaporation but slow enough so that it does not run over the paper still ending up elsewhere in the tray.
 
More cyclodextrin would probably reduce efficiency a bit as there is just more molecules that need to be adsorbed for no reason.
 
If dosing a small number of tabs maybe try a 1ml syringe? When actually dipping a sheet you need to know exactly how much solution that paper can hold without assumptions. You don't want to dose and accidentally have your math be wrong.
 
And once you have dosed a batch, try 1/8th if a dose to make sure you haven't misplaced a decimal place in your calculations.
 
Right^.

Okay we're going to start siphoning these sorts of threads into a single one. When this is explained an X number of times for a few cases I trust people can take it from there.
If they cannot, they need to be discouraged from proceeding because if you are not able to read and follow recipe-like things you need to be held away from superpotent psychedelics.

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laying 25c blotter

im an expieranced pychnaut, and from what iv been reading with 25c the buccal method seems preferable for myself. Iv always been a firm believer in not going the nasal route with almost any rc, and after a hospital trip on 07' after IMing about 8mg of 2ce i learned my lession to just eat them... but apparently thats not a very good method either with this drug. i am in no way shape or form wishing to market this as acid, like stated before im an expieranced naut whose been burned once or twice by mislabled RCs/acid. that shit just pisses me off...
anyway, im incredibly careful on my doses with any rc, and with one as potent as this one id just feel safer if i layed it blotter. iv never laid any blotter before with any drug, but am a really fast learner. and iv tried digging throught the archives here and other forums and havent found any particularly good teks on how to do this.
basicly i want to lay 100mg on 2 sheets, each square being around 500ug. any help would be appreciated
 
Merged. Please read what I said about this in post #17 above ^. That applies to you as well.
 
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