The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

[MagickalKat777]

This is one intense chem when mixed with piracetam and the comedown of Methylone, which was taken on the comedown of MDMA and 4-HO-MET...

14-16mg knocked me out of this universe but that's a combo I won't be repeating. The rushing got so intense that my head started hurting and I started getting a fever. Let it hit 100 before I took an ice bath and a klonopin and went to sleep.

Visuals were so intense that I couldn't read the monitor and the various windows became 3D and separate from the monitor, patterns and waves completely unlike mushrooms flooded my vision but very little eyes-closed activity which I found odd.

This is definitely one that needs further exploration. With my combo it had a dark headspace not unlike mushrooms when you're hella tired.

I think that out of 4-HO-MET and 4-AcO-DMT, AcO DiMiTri is more serious - 4-HO-MET has no mental component but has some very nice tryptamine visuals.

I wish I had played with the 4-AcO/4-HO compounds more - probably never would have gotten into 5-MeO-AMT. The visuals I had yesterday were equivalent but faster moving than high dose 5-MeO-AMT without the severe toxic effects.

Very nice chemicals.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I'm not a big fan of mixing Dissociatives and Psyches as I find it gives me a horrible trip nearly every time - way too much head fuckery which i HATE haha. Although I did try mixing it with K though and it did help a bit tbh.

I also tried mixing the 4-AcO with MDMA, Meph, Methylone, GBL, Benzos and Opiates (not all at once ) and the only thing that stopped me getting the fear was Opiates although it pretty much killed the trip I guess it's not for me... luckily I have a friend who loves it so I'll give the rest to him

How'd the GBL combo with it? I've been messing around with that stuff a lot lately but I haven't tried combining it with anything. In general the idea of psych + downer seems counterproductive imo, but perhaps the dopamine rebound might be interesting if one took the GBL early on in the trip.

My mixing dissociative of choice would be DXM (okay it's the only dissociative I have access to at the moment), but in lower doses it's not really much of a mind-fuck and dissociates me just enough to not get caught in any negative thought loops. At the same time, the trip won't be as deep as it otherwise would have been, but it's okay just for enjoyment/ultra-light introspection.

 

[melvin420]

I was told this by a friend...

"4-AcO-DMT doesn't seem that bad tbh
It is unnatural but it metabolizes into psilocin
Which is the EXACT same main compound as shrooms
So I dont see much of a problem with them
Psilocybin doesnt do shit
Psilocybin metabolizes into psilocin
Just like 4-AcO-DMT metabolizes into psilocin
Psilocin is what makes you trip
It's a pretty well kept secret"

Is this true?

 

[DwayneHoover]

I had some VERY amazing and intense experiences, taking GHB when a mushroom trip starts getting super-intense... the GHB totally prevented all of the shroom's oh-no-what-have-I-done anxiety - ALL of it! It's a great combo done that way.

Listening to Loop Guru's "Duniya - The Intrinsic Passion of Mysterious Joy" which is very very uplifting yet also mysterious and trance-inducing, I got pulled into one of the most ecstatic and otherworldly realms of my life, during the "Sussan 9 (living in backward world)" track.

check it out...very wild... 2min sample here http://www.waveformhq.com/duniya.html

[I saw the "higher being" (very complex involuting animated mass of energy) of my recently departed soul-mate and tried to say "hello I'm OK", but it suddenly rushed at me, it seemed to want to scare me off, thinking I was entering the realm of the dead, which of course it did not want for me, or perhaps it saw me as a conduit back to the realm of the living. Anyway I got a little freaked by that and snapped myself out of it back to normal plane and did a whippet to "calm down" haha! and I was allright.]

 

[Part Time Junkie]

How'd the GBL combo with it? I've been messing around with that stuff a lot lately but I haven't tried combining it with anything. In general the idea of psych + downer seems counterproductive imo, but perhaps the dopamine rebound might be interesting if one took the GBL early on in the trip.

My mixing dissociative of choice would be DXM (okay it's the only dissociative I have access to at the moment), but in lower doses it's not really much of a mind-fuck and dissociates me just enough to not get caught in any negative thought loops. At the same time, the trip won't be as deep as it otherwise would have been, but it's okay just for enjoyment/ultra-light introspection.

The G really helped calm me down and relax whilst adding some euphoria at the start. The bad thing about it though was that the more the G wore off the more fear I got (which was worse than the original fear ) so I kept topping up (probably passed a normal knock out dose too) so I got a bit stupid similar to being very drunk and got an even worse head fuck which resulted in me having an even more intense trip (visually too).

So the short and sweet version - helped at first, hindered later.

I would say that Methoxetamine would make a good combo seeing as K and Opiates actually helped and Methoxetamine is like a cross between the two. Wonky but also warm and fuzzy. Less dark and confusing than K (and DXM) too.

 

[Part Time Junkie]

I had some VERY amazing and intense experiences, taking GHB when a mushroom trip starts getting super-intense... the GHB totally prevented all of the shroom's oh-no-what-have-I-done anxiety - ALL of it! It's a great combo done that way.

That's what it did to me too untill it started wearing off lol.

 

[any major dude]

I was told this by a friend...

"4-AcO-DMT doesn't seem that bad tbh
It is unnatural but it metabolizes into psilocin
Which is the EXACT same main compound as shrooms
So I dont see much of a problem with them
Psilocybin doesnt do shit
Psilocybin metabolizes into psilocin
Just like 4-AcO-DMT metabolizes into psilocin
Psilocin is what makes you trip
It's a pretty well kept secret"

Is this true?

yes... err.... mostly for all we know. There do seem to be a few, albeit somewhat minor, differences from psilocin/psilocybin that are pretty consistent. This suggests that perhaps not all 4-AcO-DMT is converted to psilocin, or that the rate at which it is causes some subjective differences, but frankly no one knows for sure. With psilocybin, it think it is pretty well accepted that all of it is converted to psilocin before it binds to any receptor sites in the brain, but again, I'm not totally sure.

 

[melvin420]

yes... err.... mostly for all we know. There do seem to be a few, albeit somewhat minor, differences from psilocin/psilocybin that are pretty consistent. This suggests that perhaps not all 4-AcO-DMT is converted to psilocin, or that the rate at which it is causes some subjective differences, but frankly no one knows for sure. With psilocybin, it think it is pretty well accepted that all of it is converted to psilocin before it binds to any receptor sites in the brain, but again, I'm not totally sure.

Yet 4-HO-DMT converts into psilocin as well? 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-DMT sound the same...?

 

[MagickalKat777]

4-HO-DMT = psilocin
4-AcO-DMT = psilacetin
4-PO-DMT = psilocybin

 

[Jesusgreen]

Has anyone else experienced what I call "the film before the storm" on high oral doses? Basically my CEVs are geomatric patterns, fractals, mandalas, etc.. then suddenly I just see a short 5-10 minute mind movie, it's very random, it could be a sex scene, it could be someone getting into a car and driving, or random people dancing around, absolutely anything really.. it only ever happens once during each trip, always after the fractals, and then after 5 or so minutes it fades into darker patterns, which signal the "trial" stage of the trip, which is the rough part up to ego loss/duality for me.

I've noticed my last 5 or so trips it's happened the same way. Extremely euphoric come up, overlay OEVs of eyes and grids. Music is amazing, fractal CEVs while listening to it. Then a 5 minute mind movie, then dark CEVs and a time of "emotional turmoil" for an hour or two when I have to face problems in my life, then either a sense of duality and acceptance, seeking answers to my problems - or the absolute bliss, nirvana, ego loss, oneness.

With lower doses the experience seems to vary more, but I was wondering, has anyone else experienced that exact same timeline with this at high doses? Particularly that short mind movie that never occurs more than once in a trip, and always signals the "rough" part?

Interestingly the movie often seems to reflect my thoughts and state at the time. E.g. last time I tripped on a large dose I skipped a meal, and weighing as little as I do that's not the best thing. In the "movie" I saw like 30 elf-like people dancing around this big factory, offering me bread, grain, and other food, and smiling and telling me to eat.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Very interesting, thanks for the info dwayne and PTJ!

I think I'll try out the combo today. I was originally gonna do 2c-e, I like to be outside on that one but it's supposed to get up to 110 degrees today (that's ~43 celsius for all you Euro folk) so that's out the window. I will report here on the experience tonight, any in-trip comments will be restricted to PD social.

 

[Help?!?!]

Has anyone else experienced what I call "the film before the storm" on high oral doses? Basically my CEVs are geomatric patterns, fractals, mandalas, etc.. then suddenly I just see a short 5-10 minute mind movie, it's very random, it could be a sex scene, it could be someone getting into a car and driving, or random people dancing around, absolutely anything really.. it only ever happens once during each trip, always after the fractals, and then after 5 or so minutes it fades into darker patterns, which signal the "trial" stage of the trip, which is the rough part up to ego loss/duality for me.

I've noticed my last 5 or so trips it's happened the same way. Extremely euphoric come up, overlay OEVs of eyes and grids. Music is amazing, fractal CEVs while listening to it. Then a 5 minute mind movie, then dark CEVs and a time of "emotional turmoil" for an hour or two when I have to face problems in my life, then either a sense of duality and acceptance, seeking answers to my problems - or the absolute bliss, nirvana, ego loss, oneness.

With lower doses the experience seems to vary more, but I was wondering, has anyone else experienced that exact same timeline with this at high doses? Particularly that short mind movie that never occurs more than once in a trip, and always signals the "rough" part?

Interestingly the movie often seems to reflect my thoughts and state at the time. E.g. last time I tripped on a large dose I skipped a meal, and weighing as little as I do that's not the best thing. In the "movie" I saw like 30 elf-like people dancing around this big factory, offering me bread, grain, and other food, and smiling and telling me to eat.

I notice with high doses of this that I seem to be flung right into 4-AcO-DMT's world instead of slowly lifting off the ground. It'll be T+44 since ingestion and i'll barely feel it, then at T+48 i'll confusingly notice my brain has slowed to almost a stop and that i'm having full fledged oev's.

 

[Delta-9-THC]

Has anyone else experienced what I call "the film before the storm" on high oral doses? Basically my CEVs are geomatric patterns, fractals, mandalas, etc.. then suddenly I just see a short 5-10 minute mind movie, it's very random, it could be a sex scene, it could be someone getting into a car and driving, or random people dancing around, absolutely anything really.. it only ever happens once during each trip, always after the fractals, and then after 5 or so minutes it fades into darker patterns, which signal the "trial" stage of the trip, which is the rough part up to ego loss/duality for me.

I've noticed my last 5 or so trips it's happened the same way. Extremely euphoric come up, overlay OEVs of eyes and grids. Music is amazing, fractal CEVs while listening to it. Then a 5 minute mind movie, then dark CEVs and a time of "emotional turmoil" for an hour or two when I have to face problems in my life, then either a sense of duality and acceptance, seeking answers to my problems - or the absolute bliss, nirvana, ego loss, oneness.

With lower doses the experience seems to vary more, but I was wondering, has anyone else experienced that exact same timeline with this at high doses? Particularly that short mind movie that never occurs more than once in a trip, and always signals the "rough" part?

Interestingly the movie often seems to reflect my thoughts and state at the time. E.g. last time I tripped on a large dose I skipped a meal, and weighing as little as I do that's not the best thing. In the "movie" I saw like 30 elf-like people dancing around this big factory, offering me bread, grain, and other food, and smiling and telling me to eat.

I personally don't remember getting any mind movies like you describe but I do experience the trip in different phases very similarly to what you mentioned. Once I've come up first I experience a period of intense visuals, amazing music enhancement and synesthesia and then it will shift into a very introspective mindset where I barely notice getting any visuals because I'm so caught up in my thoughts. This period can be difficult but it always has resolved into a positive headspace as you describe.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Alright, my thoughts on the 4-aco-dmt & GBL combo.

Dosed on the lower side for the 4-aco, ++ range.
Took about 1.5ml of GBL 30 minutes or so after I started plateauing, at that time I was pretty much avoiding entering negative thought loops and nothing else. After the GBL kicked in my anxiety and negatively were completely dispelled and the experience became quite euphoric. Fast forward an hour and I was redosing, my emotional state had settled into neutrality and I wanted to see if I could go back to feeling good again, previous GBL dose was still in effect to some extent. Coming up on that the GBL pretty much overpowered the 4-aco. My mood was okay, but the sedative nature of the drugs (more one than other, obviously) was taking over. I started getting a bit dizzy so I decided to lie down on the floor, fell asleep and woke up 2 hours later, feeling pretty good/sedated and more or less sober.

Conclusion: While I imagine at a larger dose the combo would start off very euphoric, it would be very difficult to maintain that state and either the GBL would wear off and things risk a turn to the negative, or like this time, I would redose too frequently in an attempt to keep things positive and end up losing consciousness. So I don't think I will be repeating this experiment, and just lay off the psychs (especially this one) till I get in a better place mentally/emotionally. I might try it on the comedown of a more speedy pysch perhaps to make things interesting for a while and enable sleep, but that's about it as far as combos go.

 

[melvin420]

4-HO-DMT = psilocin
4-AcO-DMT = psilacetin
4-PO-DMT = psilocybin

from where I've read everywhere psilocybin metabolizes as psilocin and so does psilocetin... so basically 4-aco-dmt, 4-po-dmt, and 4-ho-dmt are the same? doesn't make sense to me. Erowid clearly states that they metabolize as Psilocin

 

[any major dude]

4-HO-DMT is just another name for psilocin. Theoretically by the time they reach receptor sites in the brain they are all psilocin (4-HO-DMT). However, there seem to be some consistent subjective differences in psilacetin (4-AcO-DMT) & psilocin (4-HO-DMT). This suggests that psilacetin may bind as is and is not simply a prodrug for psilocin. However, how psilacetin could survive in vivo without being deacetylated into psilocin is a complete mystery. Its also possible, and in my mind, more likely that the conversion rate of 4-AcO-DMT to 4-HO-DMT plays a role in these subjective differences. Unfortunately we won't know until some serious scientific study has been done. And even then, its possible we might not figure it out.

 

[melvin420]

What is considered a normal dosage and high dosage for 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-DMT?

 

[Jesusgreen]

I notice with high doses of this that I seem to be flung right into 4-AcO-DMT's world instead of slowly lifting off the ground. It'll be T+44 since ingestion and i'll barely feel it, then at T+48 i'll confusingly notice my brain has slowed to almost a stop and that i'm having full fledged oev's.

Yeah I have that too.

To the person that said they don't experience the mind movies, what kind of doses are you taking? I'm talking ~40-45mg here.

 

[~_Hiss_~]

i don't know of any subjective differences between 4-ho-dmt and 4-aco-dmt, all i've seen is comparisons between mushrooms and 4-aco-dmt, which is a huge difference. Also, i'm assuming the people who have compared the two use the 4-ho-dmt when they really meant mushrooms.

Can anyone compare 4-aco-dmt to 4-ho-mipt?

 

[Jblazingphoenix100]

Yeah I have that too.

To the person that said they don't experience the mind movies, what kind of doses are you taking? I'm talking ~40-45mg here.

Ja tez!!

at dose 40mg I was totally flung into mad OEVs etc at around 40 minutes...

I actually have yet to confirm that my 4-aco is indeed 4-aco...Where can I send it to get tested?? I can always bioassay it at a dose I did previously(14-15mg), but I'm taking a month or so of abstinence at the mo.