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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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^ People are addicted to the ritual of cutting up and snorting lines. I see this all the time. Usually cokeheads and on the internet it seems many of the mephedrone generation now too. I don't know if it's the allure from cinema that glorifies the faux-high-class status of sniffing cocaine?

A few friends snorted 2C-T-7 a few times before either reading up on erowid or having a more knowledgable friend freak out on them exclaiming, "Did you know that people have DIED from snorting this?!?!?"
 
MDAI is another compound that is not very active when snorted. Delivering the drug directly to the stomach allows the liver to metabolize it faster into the 4ho form. The pH of the stomach may allow more rapid absorption than the pH of the nasal mucosa.
Given the rapid tolerance I seem to get when bumping 4acoDMT, the slower delivery as it drips down one's throat causes the tolerance to interfere with the effects. 4acos in general do not work well when snorted, though I have not tried it with 4acoDMT as oral absorption is fine (don't want to waste it!) and the onset of effects is quite rapid. With 4aco MIPT and 4aco DIPT I found the onset of effects to be the same and the effects to be no greater than oral ingestion - maybe a little less.
 
Jblazingphoenix100 said:
what ARE you talking about?!?! Sniffing ANYTHING is more efficient than oral ingestion.

"superior" - what on earth...
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That's giving out false information there, some things simply can't be snorted, JWH for example. 4-AcO-DMT seems to get mixed results, I know people who've taken 30mg orally and been blown away, then snorted 50mg of the same stuff and felt like they were on maybe 15mg at most.. I know other people who've snorted 10-20mg and had very intense overwhelming experiences, and others who've found the potency to be about equal to oral, albeit with a quicker come up. I don't know why the results vary with 4-AcO-DMT (maybe it's the HCl vs fumarate thing?) but apparently they do.

My friend tried nasal with the particular batch I'm using at the moment and got threshold effects from ~15mg, but found 15-20mg oral to be real nice, so I'm personally sticking with oral.

If you've snorted it and feel underwhelmed, try oral, that's the advice I've given all my friends and they got MUCH better effects with oral in all cases. Like I said, I have no idea why this is, because I'd think 4-AcO-DMT worked well when snorted, but apparently not with all batches/not for everyone.

I think for the people who are getting a similar come up time, duration, and intensity to oral with nasal - it's probably from orally consuming the drip.
 
DwayneHoover said:
Why are so many people so obsessed with stuffing every drug they come across up their noses? Something, I dunno, psychotic and infantile about it. DO SOME RESEARCH! Things that work best when swallowed... SWALLOW THEM godamnit!

These are probably hundreds of posts on here that state that this compound barely works when snorted. Yet here we have again one of the current generation of "Spoon feed me everything, I can't be bothered to spend 10 minutes clicking a few links and reading a few paragraphs." When people die because they are this careless and did I say, LAZY, honestly, I am not very upset and just figure it was their destiny and life-lesson for being so, one more time, LAZY!

OK, sorry... there, feel alot better to have gotten that off my chest! :!
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Im not sure if you are referring to me in particular here, but I already elaborated a bit on this. Usually I would do it orally, but I had recently consumed a meal so I decided to insufflate it instead. I dont really see the negative with snorting stuff anyway, its just another ROA - though maybe not the most efficient one with 4-aco-dmt.
 
^Yikes, I bet it was crazy. I could see doing it if you worked as a janitor or nightwatchman, but waiter? Hot plates, knives, the dinner rush -- I like doing things where I have to "perform" while tripping, too, but walking around a mall doing amateur anthropological observations is about the limit.
 
Does anyone else feel dysphoric when taking 4-AcO-DMT? I always get the 'fear' when I do it and I've done DMT, LSD, 2C-X and DOC too name a few.

I also get really confused on it and generally have a bad time :( I've tried shrooms once (which is supposed to be similar) but it was a low dose after candyflipping at a festival and I quite enjoyed it.
 
Try taking a L-tyrosine before the trip or a cup of coffee to help stimulate your brain a little to help the though process.
 
SkeletalLamper said:
Ive had a quick look through but couldnt find whether people had combined this with MDMA, i have some really nice md and want to try it with 4 aco for a friends bday.

I think it will be an ace combo, anybody experienced this?

Peace
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I did it. 18mg 4-aco, and probably about 150mg mdma. Tripped balls, Good times.
 
Ya personally i get anxiety when i cant communicate on a propper level, or when my brain is super cloudy. So i take that to increase brain activity, but i see where your comming from.
 
Part Time Junkie said:
Does anyone else feel dysphoric when taking 4-AcO-DMT? I always get the 'fear' when I do it and I've done DMT, LSD, 2C-X and DOC too name a few.

I also get really confused on it and generally have a bad time :( I've tried shrooms once (which is supposed to be similar) but it was a low dose after candyflipping at a festival and I quite enjoyed it.
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Yeah, same thing happens to me most times I take it. For me I think that is because I'm normally fairly detached from my emotions and 4-aco-dmt makes my emotional responses increase exponentially in intensity, combine that with the confusion and things can take a dark turn very easily. My more recent trips with it have been relatively low dose, and in the accompaniment of weed or a dissociative, which both tend to help me with any problems (especially the dissociatives).

At the same time, I find it a very valuable learning tool, and have probably had more profound realizations from it than any of the 2c-x's, which I tend to get along with very well.
 
So I got mine today... jesus christ is it a dense chemical! 472mg looks like half of what 458mg of 4-HO-MET does and there is no comparison to 2C-E... 8o

Anyway I can't wait to get started with it - might take it while on 100mg of MDMA tonight and see what happens.
 
Volundr said:
^ i found 4-aco-dmt to be very underwhelming until I heavily stepped up the dosage (oral) and then it became as intense and visual as anything, only with no mental or body side effects. Absolute control and wonder.
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Yes, this substance is one of those that is not very powerful for me.. I went in to 40mg range with quiet manageable effects. Not that I didn't like it, it's jyst very "light" in terms of psychedelia and visuals. There is a definite change in thought processes and I remember seeing in my minds eye what my ultimate concept of beauty is. Very cool stuff but not one where u get floored. May be a good combo with MDxx, LSD, or 2C-x. I don't think there are any bad cross reactions but let me know if there are.
Fun stuff though and very thought provoking. <3
 
What's a good starter dose for someone coming down from MDMA/Methylone?

I don't want to be blasted into another dimension, I just want the body high (which if its anything like 4-HO-MET OMFG) and some psychedelia, mild CEVs... I just don't want the strong mental to kick in.

EDIT: Also, my material has suffered ZERO degradation. It is a pure white fumarate salt.
 
Delsyd said:
start with 5-8mg

from 12mg i can get in a very nice headspace where im able to tap into much more psychedelic thoughts than what would be expected at that clear of a head. if that makes sense.
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Wow this shit is potent! I had someone else tell me 25mg and was like uhhhhh... I got smacked to visual lala land just from 8mg of 4-HO-MET...

Thanks Delsyd. I'm gonna send you a PM btw.
 
^ Dose preferences are across the board with this one. Some like 12 mg doses, others like pushing past 30 mg.

20-25 mg seems to be a good full dose for most people but since it's your first time and you're coming down from MDMA and methylone and just want a taste Delsyd's suggestion of 8 or maybe 10 mg is probably a good start. I don't think 5 mg would be noticeable, maybe threshold.
 
love_sex_desire said:
^ Dose preferences are across the board with this one. Some like 12 mg doses, others like pushing past 30 mg.

20-25 mg seems to be a good full dose for most people but since it's your first time and you're coming down from MDMA and methylone and just want a taste Delsyd's suggestion of 8 or maybe 10 mg is probably a good start. I don't think 5 mg would be noticeable, maybe threshold.
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Well keep in mind that 8mg of 4-HO-MET knocked me out of this world and gave me the most intense euphoria EVER... lol. I think I'm gonna hit for 12-14mg since I took a tryptamine earlier there's probably some degree of tolerance.
 
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