Official Heroin Discussion Thread IV

[pumkin_escobar]

tar

yeah it's been dry in this area,for powder anyway.I guess something happened becuase we get most of our dope(heroin) in Memphis area from Chicago or Detroit,altho other place too,,chicago is closer than any major city to Memphis..there has been plenty of the usual scramble tho as always,but i noticed some people complaining that it was weaker than normal,but it's scramble it's not gonna be normally as good as bags of weighed out powder in grams..lol not here anyway..There is of course a shit load of tar heroin,although it does not sell well in Memphis except for a few suburban kids who smoke it..powder prevails here ,and i am glad,,,tar is almost always shit compared to powder..and if you like clean heroin then tar is definetly one to avoid..lol...people here would rather pay the same for 50%ish powder than pay the same or even a bit less for 60%ish tar altho i dunno who much 60% pure tar there is on the under one kilogram level...lol...dunno..don't mess with tar,,but yeah the chicago stuff coming down is cut a little more than usual ,but hey its stil lbetter than tar heroin anyday of the week to me...still getting some really good powder around from chicago,altho i guess some dude stocked up last time he went up to Chi-town,becuse i'm doing some pretty fire powder the last few days and this morning.

i disagree, for an IV user most ppl down here in Tejas love the tar better maybe cause we are so close to the border that its better in quality, the only powder we would get down here would def rarely come from asia, colombia if lucky too, only powder is mexi-brown (which could be cut tar yuck), also tar with a high 6-mam content can actually make it more potent that dope alone. Fuck smoking tar though, if you want to smoke dope find some base dope (no. 3)

 

[pumkin_escobar]

so instead of bitching about it here on a message board that no one will give it you....

why don't you do what other like minded people do.... go looking for it....and when you meet a new dealer do not cop a bundle or whatever... just get 3-4 bags.....test out the waters.... it takes a while for you to learn who has the fire and who has garbage...Collect numbers and such....

You have to earn that nod....and practice makes prefect.... soon you will be able to find it all over....just got to get comfy with your area....

preach it brother

 

[chitownblows]

Do you Chicagoans think that taking the El from waaay up North to the West Side is a good/bad idea? Not asking for specific locations, but are there dope spots within a few blocks of some of the El stops there? It's a long train ride, I don't want to waste another half hour walking to the spot.

Ya there are quite a few spots that you could stop at and be within a few blocks of a place to cop. Would be kinda sketchy waslking thru those spots though on foot. Sketches me out enuf driving through them. But if you know the spots on the west side you can def take the El and cop.

Been getting alot of jabs that have been decent lately. Cooking up with good dark color and been getting a good rush off two bags. And i cant remember the last time i hae felt a good rush. For i have been a daily user for the past two years and alot of the times just seems like i am jus maintaining to stay well and not really getting high. Sucks when you get to that point. Anyone been getting any caps lately? Was wanderimg how good they were.

 

[Unbreakable]

Its not that they are lazy you need scientists that know wtf they are doing and they don't have that.... Columbia recently hired scientists to make refined heroin; now they are now making dope that gets here to states too.

 

[alteknj]

Its not that they are lazy you need scientists that know wtf they are doing and they don't have that.... Columbia recently hired scientists to make refined heroin; now they are now making dope that gets here to states too.

Mexico has been producing heroin way longer than Colombia. I read a book very good book by Pablo Escobar's brother ("The Accountant's Story") and he goes into detail on how they hired all these crazy chemists and recruited the best of the best from all over Europe, USA, Asia. I mean they were doing things to coke during the 70's and 80's that would blow your mind. Molding it into plastic sheets, fiberglass, changing the color of coke, coke solutions, etc all for better smuggling techniques and this is aside from refining the coke into a salt from a base, which is probably cake to them. It cost money to these things. Think of it as a business expense. Colombian cartels did it with coke and later refined their own heroin. Why can't the Mexican cartel's do it? They have the money and man power to do it. I think they are set in their ways and it would be such a drastic change in the market, they fear they might lose out. Which they might at first, but the long term financial gains from refining it a step further to making a purer product would outweighs that. It's like they got this thing that makes them good money right now in making tar (which is also less costly). So why would they fuck that up? I think they also would start competition with the Colombians if they had a better product too, which they don't want.

 

[pumkin_escobar]

yea mexicans realize the potential of partialy mono-acetalyizing morphine, heroin+6mam in tar is absolutely wonderful, if you are making heroin at all, you know enough about chemistry, and you dont think with all those millions the mexican cartels are making they cant find a good chemist...come on they know what they are doing, they are not users its all about the $$$ for them and every other trafficker

 

[stuckinaloop]

Same. I can get about 10-12 roxi 30's in 100 units, 1 cc.

damn since i started IV i havnt fuckedwit roxies..cuase thatd cost me like well i might as well buy a brick of dope from paterson

but i was wonderin how much i could fit in a 1cc. thats good to know ...goood to know

 

[Tommyboy]

What do you guys find to be the principle dif in shooting fent vs H? What about snorting--- that will be my likely ROA.... I know u guys will all say--- IV is the best ROA, biggest rush, best bang for ur buck.. yea yea, but I'm an OC guy and I like to sniff. Is sniffing H pretty fun? What about this fent crap?

I am a sniffer as well (although I have IV'd) and would say that the only difference between sniffing OCs VS Heroin is that you get more of a nod towards the end with the H. Its only a slight difference when sniffing, and honestly if they tasted the same I could not tell the difference if I was given a line of each.

 

[pumkin_escobar]

why do i double post

yea fuck shootin pillz, getting a good little brick of dope is way better, you know there's ppl who pay

and for ppl who dont want tar cause they dont want to shoot it; then smoke it, snort it, eat it, plug it (gay), sublingual, tranbuccal, whatever floats your boat, but you kinda save money on dope compared to expensive pills

 

[axl blaze]

why would the Mexicans want to transfer their tar into power? in their eyes, it ain't broke and they ain't fixing it. while the East Coast is all powder, the South and West and Mid-West still are on that tar. and I've had better tar than I have ever powder - though powder is usually of a more consistent level. if that makes sense

 

[ugly]

Hi Davis,
<snip> My friend makes his choices and his brother thinks this time he's going to die,

My friend OD'd last night. He has been shooting up a lot lately. When his brother came in about 2 in the morning, he heard his brother's labored breathing and found him utterly unconscious in the back yard.

Paramedics came and revived him.

He scored again today. I've been doing some research on med sites because my friend is having shortness of breath and has a strange whistling sound when he breathes. My research says that his lungs are probably filling with fluid.

I'm thinking he is going to do as much H as he can until he OD's or his lungs fill completely. Does anyone have first hand experiences with heroin causing fluid in the lungs?

 

[axl blaze]

yeah, it's called pulmonary edema and it is the easiest way to die from a heroin overdose.

the thought of him walking around whistling because his lungs are full of fluid seems strange to me. it could be a number of other factors (allergies, smoking, out of shape) than fluid build-up in the lungs

 

[dutchie3k]

Re: rstar84, rochester

Been away for awhile. Does anyone know what the scene is like in the rochester, ny area these days?

I don't know how long you've been away but...

Not that much. area is still the open air free-for-all dope market that it always has been. Quality just as hit or miss as it used to be with some cats over there, with the bigger outfits still selling the reasonably good quality glassine packaged SA gear, same price as ever. Only more dirtbags running around solo trying to get over on the ever-flowing suburbanites driving through trying to cop. Even more shooting than ever...lotta cats gettin shot and poked on the east side these days...

area is still usually higher quality+quantity and more consistent but a bit more expensive, almost exclusively wax-packaged and stamped unlike Clinton. More prevalent is white fentanyl gear and darker Afghan/middle-east gear than mexican/south american over there.

 

[anonymous6619]

i dont know how to edit post so i double post

why would the Mexicans want to transfer their tar into power? in their eyes, it ain't broke and they ain't fixing it. while the East Coast is all powder, the South and West and Mid-West still are on that tar. and I've had better tar than I have ever powder - though powder is usually of a more consistent level. if that makes sense

I'm from the east coast, jersey, and in my 19 years of shooting dope I haven't found the powder to be too consistent at all. I've had such good dope my lips turned blue to ummmmmm yea i know it was dope, but did i really just shoot 3 bags of it?

And just recently (for the 1st time in my life) I've been taking 5 days to a week off here & there with the help of subutex and now it's hard to telll if the dope picked up or my tolerance went down.lol.I'm trying to put it down permanently, but dam it, I just love the feeling!

Alright, since you guys were useless, I'm reposting what lacey k said when I reposted my question in Drug Culture. Hopefully this





will be helpful to any girls trying to cop on foot. It's kinda tl;dr but I found it
extremely relevant.

Yes, what she said was informative, but i don't know about a white girl coppin on foot in those neighborhoods. Sure I used to do it myself in a car, but never on foot! Even though knew all the d boys. When I didn't have a car, I had numbers, and if I had to go to the spot, I paid a dam cab or a friend! Don't youo have any friends with numbers? Maybe buy them a bag or 2 for the connect. Or, if you know the boys at the spot from your car trips, pay a cab one time to get a few numbers. It's just not safe going alone, being a white chick, on foot. Whatever you do, just be careful!

If I were a bluelighter, I'd send you a personal message! I just hate to see people having to risk their ass.


Sorry I'm just a junkie & not a computer wiz, but thanx 4 the help Shake

But I think I might have figured it out!

 

[jaystyle]

Hey Tommy,

Did you mean the dif between fent & dope or OC & dope? I would think OC would be quite a bit dif than dope... H in my opinion has some noticeably dif effects. Iwas asking about the fent, though, because I have a suspicious this china I am SUPPOSED to get (when this assclown supposedly reups) might be fent...

I am a sniffer as well (although I have IV'd) and would say that the only difference between sniffing OCs VS Heroin is that you get more of a nod towards the end with the H. Its only a slight difference when sniffing, and honestly if they tasted the same I could not tell the difference if I was given a line of each.

 

[DavisK4high247]

Ahhh... crap. I get a bad feeling this "CHINA WHITE" this guy is gonna sell me is gonna be some fentanyl crap, huh? IT just sounds too good to be true to get real china white around San Francisco while everyone is shooting tar in their veins.

So--- assuming I do get fentanyl instead of dope, will I be totally bummed? Or is fent still pretty fun? I've never done fent so I dont know what to expect.

What do you guys find to be the principle dif in shooting fent vs H? What about snorting--- that will be my likely ROA.... I know u guys will all say--- IV is the best ROA, biggest rush, best bang for ur buck.. yea yea, but I'm an OC guy and I like to sniff. Is sniffing H pretty fun? What about this fent crap?

You never know if you are gonna get the fentanyl stuff nicknamed " china white" or real South East Asian white #4 powder which is avialble in Vancouver and I have heard in some West coast US cities among a small group of users.Your "dude" might know where to get the real #4 SEA heroin in San Francisco,it is there in small amounts ,but also the Fentanyl "china white" is also there I imagine in more quantity than SEA#4! Be careful with it is all I can say!!!

My friend OD'd last night. He has been shooting up a lot lately. When his brother came in about 2 in the morning, he heard his brother's labored breathing and found him utterly unconscious in the back yard.

Paramedics came and revived him.

He scored again today. I've been doing some research on med sites because my friend is having shortness of breath and has a strange whistling sound when he breathes. My research says that his lungs are probably filling with fluid.

I'm thinking he is going to do as much H as he can until he OD's or his lungs fill completely. Does anyone have first hand experiences with heroin causing fluid in the lungs?

No first hand experience but I have heard and seen that tar smokers lungs will do that after a while and people get a bad cough and cough up blood after a while,depending on how much and for how long they smoked tar,and I guess shooting it can lead to fluid build up in the lungs also,I am not sure ,no direct use of tar myself,seen it around but we have more powder heroin here and a little tar is around but I do not know anyone who buys it unless it's someone that gets a super cheap deal on it and I still don't mess with it..Rather pay more to get good powder if I get heroin..

why would the Mexicans want to transfer their tar into power? in their eyes, it ain't broke and they ain't fixing it. while the East Coast is all powder, the South and West and Mid-West still are on that tar. and I've had better tar than I have ever powder - though powder is usually of a more consistent level. if that makes sense

As long as people buy tar and the mexican cartels make money from tar they will keep on making and selling it..The South is not all tar tho..where I am there is good powder and some tar also..Although it's mainly mexicans that sell tar,some other people go to chicago and Detroit and Philly,NJ/NY etc. and bring back really good white or whatever color heroin and cut it a bit and sell it here.It is more poular than tar is (the powder) and even when cut is normally much purer...anyway ..yeah mexican heroin makers have no incentive to make anything other than tar,although there is some brown powdered mexican heroin,it seems to go to certain areas in the US for some reason...

i disagree, for an IV user most ppl down here in Tejas love the tar better maybe cause we are so close to the border that its better in quality, the only powder we would get down here would def rarely come from asia, colombia if lucky too, only powder is mexi-brown (which could be cut tar yuck), also tar with a high 6-mam content can actually make it more potent that dope alone. Fuck smoking tar though, if you want to smoke dope find some base dope (no. 3)

IV tar use is known to cause the fastest and most damge to the veins of any type of heroin.Also mexican brown powder is not always made from tar,I saw on the DEA website where they have been arresting people in ARiz, and New Mexico with powdered brown heroin thats 80% pure and is not made from tar..Mexican brown has been around a lot longer that tar has,and the real mexican brown is powder only and was never in tar form.Aslo their is some Columbian White powder in small amounts in Dallas and houston according to DEA sources,but who knows how accurate their info is...lol..anyway tar will harden up your veins and soon people have to IM the shots of tar because of their veins being wrecked from tar.I snort powder and have no desire to smoke any tar, and sometimes I inject and it is powder always.Seen the tar and the peoples veins fucked up after slamming it for a few years because it is so resiny even in liquid..anyway..2 each there own

 

[Tommyboy]

Hey Tommy,

Did you mean the dif between fent & dope or OC & dope? I would think OC would be quite a bit dif than dope... H in my opinion has some noticeably dif effects. Iwas asking about the fent, though, because I have a suspicious this china I am SUPPOSED to get (when this assclown supposedly reups) might be fent...

I was talking about OC's vs Dope. I have had the fentanyl loli pops before, and they really didn't do it for me.

 

[BoulderBob]

Back in the game at long last...same players on the West Side I see, a few jabs of the brown tapes gonna mean a fine weekend for BB. Be safe y'all...

 

[ugly]

tar smoker became tar slammer

No first hand experience but I have heard and seen that tar smokers lungs will do that after a while and people get a bad cough and cough up blood after a while,depending on how much and for how long they smoked tar,and I guess shooting it can lead to fluid build up in the lungs also,I am not sure ,no direct use of tar myself,seen it around but we have more powder heroin here and a little tar is around but I do not know anyone who buys it unless it's someone that gets a super cheap deal on it and I still don't mess with it..Rather pay more to get good powder if I get heroin..

He smoked tar off foil for years. He started slamming it recently, and slamming big doses of it, to kill himself. He has od'd once in the last week (more times before this) but he's come close to it every time he's shot up in the last ten days or so. He is off it right now. I am just waiting to see if he can stay alive, but I won't be surprised if he doesn't. We've been friends and confidants for 5 years, nearly inseparable. Life is hard.

 

[peteypablo]

Do you Chicagoans think that taking the El from waaay up North to the West Side is a good/bad idea? Not asking for specific locations, but are there dope spots within a few blocks of some of the El stops there? It's a long train ride, I don't want to waste another half hour walking to the spot.

I've actually had more luck taking the I may be partial because my favorite spot is close to the greenline though. I had to wait for one of my connects near a stop once and he told me not to talk to anyone until he showed up. I found out why real quick because numerous dudes passed by asking me if i was looking for blows. Anyway both lines work. Looks like you got some good advice on copping on foot. I saw a pic of you(your backside ) on another thread. I bet you're a cutie so be careful out there please. Lemme know if you have/had luck.