Official Heroin Discussion Thread IV

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LLueBight;8762324 And you wouldn't get pulled over just for being on cicero ave in the hood..you gotta be going down the side streets usually for them to pull you over for no reason. [/QUOTE said:
 

This one is debatable...depends on the time of day/make of car, imo...I've never had any problems with this particular area. But in general, if you stick to the main exit roads, you should be fine...certainly not always, but for the most part. Of course we gotta hit the side-streets to scoop, and that is where I sweat...
 
This one is debatable...depends on the time of day/make of car, imo...I've never had any problems with this particular area. But in general, if you stick to the main exit roads, you should be fine...certainly not always, but for the most part. Of course we gotta hit the side-streets to scoop, and that is where I sweat...

it's not debatable because I've been pulled over not once, but twice just for simply driving on that road and being white. Neither time was there any reason what so ever for us to be pulled over. One of the time's we were about to turn down a side street so that might have been it, but the other time, we weren't doing a single thing wrong, not speeding or anything and got pulled over. And yes the make of the car might make a difference, but not much. One of the times I was pulled over I was in a caddy, the other I was in an older grand prix so.

The people I was with, our appearance didn't scream "junky" so it was basically just wrong place at the wrong time, some bored ass cops with nothing better to do at the time. Now granted, their assumptions were right, we were in the area to get dope, but it still doesn't give em' the right to pull us over if we didn't give em' a reason to.

It sucks because I went for so fucking long with no problems what so ever with the cops, in the HOTTEST areas of the west side. Seriously, pulling out of open air markets, and meeting at intersections with cops at a stop sign, and getting away with it. But there comes a point where your luck just runs on empty and you can't get away with shit anymore. Shit sucks.
 
I got searched for pulling out of a one way street from a gas station in cicero..granted I hadf cases pending for weed so as soon as they run my name its trouble but while they where searchibg me I asked if this was a little extreme for a one way street violation and they went on about people coming over to this area to score drugs and let me see your arms, do you do drugs? Of course I smoke weed...no I mean heroin I was like fuck no and got kind of offended..the other cop asked me if I cash on me I was like of course..like 200!ux..so where's the weed I don't have none sir..they search the car but real quick..my guess is they figured I was a weed head so they would be able to smell something andf since they didn't they didn't really search too hard..good thing casuse of course I have weed but normally smoke on. the way home after I cop..

What's worse is even though I don't cop in that area I would roll threw on my way to my spot and now I totally avoid cicero all together

Also when I was in county a few months bqck there was 4white dudes in there for dope and 3 of then got caught somewhere on or off of cicero..1 was arrested by cicero pd the other 2 by cpd but on cicero
 
cicero ave in general has been notorious for heroin for like 20 years. I have family members (unfortunately) that have struggled with dope, and even in the mid 90's, that's the street people hit if they are unsure where to get dope.
 
My best friend is back to shooting tar... he called me in the middle of the night with very slurry speech. I'm worried he's doing too much. He's had more shit thrown in his path than anyone I've known, and he says shooting H makes him numb, and I understand his desire completely.

Today he shot himself up in front of me, and he felt SO good after he took the shot, I was happy for him, but sad too, because I think eventually the tar will own him. Last time he got on it every day, he got mean and I didn't want to be around him anymore.

I am a female and we've been besties for five years. We do not have physical relations or ever even considered it. We are soul mates and we do drugs together, listen to music, and talk. We have enjoyed many rolls, many highs, many times. I've smoked tar but it's not my thing, I just wasn't in it. I've smoked meth too, and I just wasn't with it, but I like to rail it, and oxys. He and I have done oxys together so many times, I don't even wish to try to count.

He is very upset with me doing meth. He feels that it is awful and terrible in all sorts of ways. I hid that from him for a long time because I knew how he felt about meth and I didn't want to argue. I don't want to argue now. I never want to argue.

He's doing needles, and I won't ever do a needle. Now I'm on a path without him... and he's on a path without me. I want him to stop and he wants me to stop and we both know each other well enough to know that once we like something, we don't stop.

How can I tell if he's doing enough tar to overdose with? I think that is his intention and I know his syringe was full of brown stuff he had in a spoon with the tar. Water. I wonder if I should mind my own business and let him make his own decisions even though he might die.

Is there anything I can say to him at this point? He's been very high for a couple days, and he had a large chunk of tar, more than I have ever seen at one time, so I expect him to stay high. How will he change if he stays constantly high over a whole month or more? Can a person survive staying really high all the time?

How can I survive it with him?
 
I dunno much about tar except that it is hard on the veins and will ruin them quicker than shotting powder heroin,or most other drugs.I persoanlly have only seen a few tar users and they smoked it when i saw it,we get tar here,but mostly powder that is normally good from other states,etc..When I do heroin I only do the powder,as the tar looks and smells like it has too much trash in it or something.
 
Everyone here talks about getting pulled over driving through to the dope spots but does anyone have any experience on foot? When I've gone to the West Side it was always in my ex's car but now I don't have a license or a car... None of my friends are willing to drive me out to the West Side to score h off the street. I was thinking about taking the El west (blue line) when I get home. I live in a suburb just north of Chi so it would take a while but I don't have a closer connect or a dope running buddy.

Has anyone here had experience hitting up the block on foot? I am a caucasian/asian mixed young female, sometimes I can look Hispanic. Would i be more at risk from the heat or from the d-boys / neighborhood crackheads/junkies?
 
You must be getting some special tar then if it smells like that..lol

really? that's a trip because I think it smells like graham crackers.

Wow,must be some unusual heroin to smell like graham crackers!!Especially tar...lol..when I smelled tar heroin it smelled like vinegar and other stuff,you must have the majic sugar filled tar..lol..actually it did smell kinda nadty to me,but I have only been around tar 2 or maybe 3 times..I am glad we get powder heroin here,tar is hard on the veins and since I like to snort part of the time and shoot powder other times,I could not snort any tar,and I don't want my veins to be any more abused than they are already...
 
Hi Davis,
When I first smelled it I thought it smelled awful. My friend used on foil in my car bunches of times and I came to feel that the residual smell in my car was sort of graham crackery. I wish we had white powder here because my friend is using H again, this time shooting it. His brother talked to me for a long time last night trying to find out what's wrong our guy, but I wouldn't say. They are both over 21 and I didn't want to be in the middle of it. My friend makes his choices and his brother thinks this time he's going to die, and I'm not telling my friend not to do tar because he does whatever he wants, whatever he decides, you know? It's killing me almost as much as it's killing my friend but there's no talking to him. He decides what he will do.
 
Philly's scene has been getting good again. It seems all the d here is either good at once, or it all turns to crap at the same time on all the blocks

2 bags will give me a good nod with this shit. I almost always do 1 bag at a time, just out of habit and because I enjoy the whole process of mixing and fixing as much as the d itself, so I'm more likely to do 1 bag then another 1 shortly after as opposed to doing 2 in 1 shot. I have some odd habits when it comes to doing diesel

but either ways, this stuff is fire, the block just switched stamps up but hopefully this shit will stay good for awhile, I like getting a nice rush off 1 bag :D
 
You think hitting these spots before noon is better than evening rush hour? Something between 7 and 10am versus 4 to 6pm? I scooped today around 5pm, and it seems a bit more dangerous(in terms of LE being around)...and will these cats usually honor the buy a chi-town jab(hundo) and get 11-13? It was refreshing to see a spot not try and tell me they were selling dubs...like I said, big leagues, no more of the rank bullshit I've been dealing with for the past month or so...

Again, sorry for the noob questions...my father passed away a few days ago and my mind has been all over the place and I'd just like to focus on what is real and what the corner boys appreciate. No specifics needed, just answer with generalities...thanks for reading y'all..take care.

EDIT: Nice post iris and lacey...got what i needed.
 
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Alright, since you guys were useless, I'm reposting what lacey k said when I reposted my question in Drug Culture. Hopefully this will be helpful to any girls trying to cop on foot. It's kinda tl;dr but I found it extremely relevant.

Iris it sound like you dont got that much experience coppin on your own am i right?

On foot is a good way of coppin in my experience but only for certain kind of people.

If you dont know WTF you doin it might be a bad look.

When you dont know the hood you in cops can tell that whether you in a car or on foot.

I use to live in the city that I copped in. straight up, i was in the hood all the time, my friends was all in the hood, that was my life, I was just another lil hood bitch walkin up the block when I went to cop. I knew where the fuck I was goin, and I didnt give off the vibe of somebody who was coppin. I had paterson regulars drive by me many many times and now that I look back ill put money that the UC tnt narcs also seen me out there a handful of times but nobody never even looked twice at me i had the swag tho u feel me.

One of the highways in the area route 20, was like a kinda borderline around part of the city. it was a highway but not elevated like ur usual route 80, or watever other interstate. It had lil exits where you could get on and off and it would take you right into the regular back streets of the city. so i would just park my car in the parkin lot of one of the biznesses there and my boy worked there so i knew it was cool to leave it there. and then walk up. it was like 8 blocks up and over to this lil bodega that i use to buy my boost minutes at. in paterson they sell 10 dollar boost cards, everywhere else the minimum was 20 dollars. so i would go up there and when i had the extra dough i would put 10 bucks on the reup and my boy would meet me inside the bodega and hand the shit off to me like that int he back of teh store. Grab a C&C , my phone card, stuff the dope in my panties and be out. nobody never once fucked with me all my days of coppin on foot up there.


btw, I know wat u talkin about when u say u may pass for latina. When im in the hood 90% of people I meet always assumes im boricua. even my dealer for the longest time , one day asked me 'u puerto rican right?" so that can work for u.

the one thing u got goin for u is that winter is comin, and coppin on foot in winter is less hot IME. also. My style always been 'hood' as far as dressin, so i didnt stand out like some preppy ass kinda white bitch would. its also better becuz in winter u got a nice heavy coat u can cover up the most of your body with. so in some nikes, some jeans, and the usual northface type puffy jacket with the fur hood pulled up as far over ur face as u can, and walkin slow and smooth with a lil swagga u dont stick out too much. summer more of ur face and body is showin but winter its easier to pass for somebody who just out mindin they bizness.

i would def. recommend at least that much to u, if u gonna try to fuck around on foot.

the thing is tho the important shit is confidence ma. If you aint got that dont bother. Honestly, if you dont even know the basic shit like "will dealers holla at me and try and flag me down or not" I dont think you ready for it and i aint bein mean only bein real. this aint some shit that you can just mess around with. U shouldnt be scared of the dboys just "the boys" aka the police. (I dont know how the slang is out where u at...but here in jerz, if u hear them say "yo, dont come up here right now, the boys is out" that means its hot.

Let me ask you too. Do you got numbers? or did you just used to cop like run up tot he spot and cold cop everytime? I know out there yall go to the tips and just cop from whoever workin and its less of a numbers game than it is out here, we got spots too but most people gets on the bleep and chirp their dealer tell em to meet em becuz its too hot to be fuckin around just cruisin thru the spots without knowin ahead of time if its hot or not.

My suggestions to you is this.

First of all you need to get yo ass a number. who do u usually deal with. get that number from ur connect and tell him that you aint got a whip and you gonna start comin to him by urself, and since u got a long ass train ride to get there, u wanna be able to hit him up before u get there to make sure its all good. u dont wanna take that ride and then get there and he aint around, or its too hot to cop or some shit and then you aint got nowhere to go and gotta hang around bein all sketchy and shit waitin for shit to be good.

once you got a number you can set up some shit and set a place to meet up at and you can walk to there and not have to worry about goin directly to a spot. Maybe he come out a block or 2 down from the spot to be more discreet and u can walk there and it look less sketch than a lil whitegirl walkin right up to the spot u feel me.

Honestly u shouldnt be goin up to no spots at all period, unless its ur first time and u gettin that number. U dont know wat kinda surveillance is goin on and whose eyes are on you. u might think u slick but its never cool to just roll right up like that to the spot even if the coast looks clear they be down there a block or 2 down with binaculars watchin u, u feel me? then they rush in and u never even know where the fuck they came from.

the best thin u can do is get a number from at LEAST one of the dudes you been dealin with, its best to have more the more the better. most of us dope feens at times had at least 10 numbers we could call in the least if one dealer aint work out. u need that option otherwise if u go and ur man aint out u dont wanna be beat and startin from square 1 again.

I understand shit is hard without a car. If i was you , real talk id go there on the train and take a lil walk without no intentions of coppin. Just go and check shit out. get to know the neighborhood and get a feel of the area so you dont get lost or some shit when u need to be quick.

pay attention, observe shit, you should know how to recognize a dealer by now. see where they at, see if they give u the head nod or a lil whistle or "Yeeeeeoooo" and then u know they tryna sell to u. come on this shit should not be new to u, u aint totally new to this right so it aint no different on foot than it was in a car when they flag u down, same shit, u should know how to recognize the signs of who is sellin.

so on this lil , excursion, where you just gettin to know the area and all that , watch all this shit. look for areas where you can have privacy to do a deal at, see if there is a good protected from view spot u can duck into to do a handoff, etc...and once you go by the dealers and get flagged down get some numbers. If after you been payin attention, watchin the area, and it seems all good just buy like one bag or 2 bags, just enough to test shit out and then get the dudes number. that is your real mission with this lil investigation, not to cop but to get to know the spot and to get to know a dealer that you will be able to call beforehand and arrange a meetup with instead of just leavin it to chance.

after that u should have a easier time.

and just remember, when the d boys see u they know wat u want. be straight up. If dudes tryna holla at u like hey ma wats good , this and that, u just tell em yo, i didnt come here for dick i came here for dope so unless you got that, I aint interested.

If you aint sure of yourself and you the type of broad whose used to havin her man cop for her, u got alot to learn and really i cant teacch you that you gonna just have to learn by experience. people is gonna try and take advantage of you and you cant be shy yo u cant be actin like a lil girl. U need to be straight up, strickly bizness, and know wat the fuck u doin so u can get in and out, be slick about it, and get the damn thing done. If u show weakness and play that silly little "im just a girl, dont hurt me, im new to this, my man used to cop for me, can you help me please i dont know wat to do" thats some fresh meat for ppl to chow down on u feel me. Dont front--dont try and be somethin you aint and act all hard and shit if that aint your true nature. But just dont be a little bitch about it. come correct, know your shit, u feel me?

I really only recomment coppin on foot for people who are more veteran coppers. when you dont know wat you doin, its really fucken easy to cop in a car. the risks with the cops are beat, sure, but in a car you at least got some protection and coverage and dont stand out as much. on foot, you really really stand out, so unles you calm, confident and in control you gonna be a magnet for cops and if you aint ready for that , its gonna be a problem. its much better to only cop on foot once you really know your way around the game and you secure in your ability to cop successfully.

I dont wanna make this post last forever so Ima wrap it up but I spent many years coppin , in car and on foot and all type shit, but i know the game in jersey. shit aint the same everywhere u go, but hopefully i helped u a lil bit at least.
 
China White

Hey all,

I live on the west coast where all u can really get is tar, but I had a question...

I know on the East Coast all the H is powdered--- but its not all China White.... right? Is China White something different than the usual powder you get on the East Coast? What is the usual NJ / NY east coast white/off-white/brown powder called?

Has anyone done China?? If so--- what are the distinguishing characteristics of it? Someone told me they might be able to get me some-- I don't know him well and don't wanna be ripped off. He said it has consistency of baby powder and dissolves instantly in water.

Any word on the smell of it? taste? feel or anything? Is it good for snorting? Any info you could give me on it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
yeah on the east coast the dopes all powder and you dont have to cook it. according to wikipedia china white is slang for α-Methylfentanyl which is the first designer drug. this stuff appeared on the west coast so its possible people over there associate any powdered heroin with china white.
 
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