☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Solubility & Stability Thread

[TheAzo]

A few numbers. These are not _super accurate_ and were determined empirically for a saturated solution... but this should be useful as a general guide. You can't use these concentrations in practice (because you don't want it to crystalize out on a cool day), but this is a starting point.

Solvent was 20% EtOH (1:1 vodka:water mixture)

Temp was 75 F

2C-C ~100mg/ml (!!!)

2C-B ~45mg/ml

2C-I ~25mg/ml

2C-T-2 85~90mg/ml

2C-D ~100mg/ml (!!!)

2C-E ~70mg/ml


In dH2O, 2C-I slightly under 20mg/ml

In 40% EtOH, 2C-I ~50 mg/ml

2C-I takes goddamned forever to dissolve, no matter what you're dissolving it in. Others go into solution much faster.

 

[carpaljets]

^It takes quite a while to fully enter solution, that's for sure
I processed 2C-I at 100 mg / mL recently

 

[TheAzo]

^It takes quite a while to fully enter solution, that's for sure
I processed 2C-I at 100 mg / mL recently

Wow. Was that at room temperature? What solvent?

 

[HofmannBlotter]

Hey bluelight,

Well tonight i will make a vial of DOI for tripping
I had a glass vial and Ethanol / White Vodka / Distilled Water

Which is the best for keeping the vial "fresh" and for a long storage ?

Only tap water ? Only distilled water ? Only Vodka (20 % ) ? Only Ethanol ? (90 % )

Or a mix of tap water + ethanol ? Ethanol + Vodka ? Distilled water + ethanol ?

What do you suggest to me since i never make vial in my tripper life

Sorry if my question seems stupid but i don't really know which solvent to use

Many thanks

 

[digisynth420]

We still talking about 2C-I HCl? If so, I think it will dissolve in isopropanol pretty easily. Perhaps you could try a little and let us know if it doesn't work.

Isopropyl works great for pea's in my opinion as i have used it with 2ci, 2ct2, 2ct7 and 2ce to lay on blotter and on cubes.

Right now i am trying to get info on diluting 5 meo dalt and i cant find too much. I would like to make a solution of 50 mgs per ml. I have quite a bit of it so i will test it out with isopropyl since it is the only solvent i have available.

 

[digisynth420]

Hey bluelight,

Well tonight i will make a vial of DOI for tripping
I had a glass vial and Ethanol / White Vodka / Distilled Water

Which is the best for keeping the vial "fresh" and for a long storage ?

Only tap water ? Only distilled water ? Only Vodka (20 % ) ? Only Ethanol ? (90 % )

Or a mix of tap water + ethanol ? Ethanol + Vodka ? Distilled water + ethanol ?

What do you suggest to me since i never make vial in my tripper life

Sorry if my question seems stupid but i don't really know which solvent to use

Many thanks

I would suggest high proof vodka or everclear.. one reason i suggest an alcahol as a solvent is that it drys quick if placed on cubes, candy, blotter or any thing else you would dose it on. It dilutes fine and soaks in great. For example drop a drop of water on a piece of watercolor paper which blotter is printed on then drop a drop of isopropyl alcahol on it. You will notice the drop of water sits in puddle on top the blotter unless you swirl it in and does not soak in as well as the alcohol that takes no work to soak in. It also seems that water when worked to soak in more soaks through the blotter rather into it unlike a real solvent such as alcohol. Im sure other solvents are just as good as alcahol such as acetone etc but i have not worked with them before. vodka is great cause it is edible wet. isopropyl alcohol is edible too but you dont want too much as it can be toxic but i will say that i have had up to 3 mls with no ill affect dosing chems out so its farely safe at dose level.

 

[uncle stinky]

So I was wondering if those plastic tubes which soluble 1000mg vitamin c pills come in (in UK at least) would be any good for storing dry Tryptamine and Phenethylamine compounds. They definitely work to keep the hydrophilic vitamin c dry. leave the lid off and they go nuts.

My concern is with the drying agent which is in a plug in the lid. Will that have been likely to pick up anything corrupting from the vit C or not? Any other forseable problems with using these. I was planning glass vials inside also anyhow. Just read the outside and the dessicant is not specified.

 

[LogicSoDeveloped]

Would storing a few hits of acid in my pocket (in foil, and a plastic bag) degrade quality at all? I just wonder if my body heat would have any affect. This would be for maybe 6-9 hours total. I ask because I've never had to keep dose in my pocket for so long before.

 

[PepperSocks]

^ Likely not; it's such a short time. Just don't carry it around all the time in your wallet; decrease time and temperature wherever feasible.

 

[ozchems]

Can anyone explain how I could make liquid 2ce in a vial (20ml capacity) with a dropper, getting each drop to be 20mgs of 2ce?

 

[PepperSocks]

I've never been much for dropper bottles, but 20mg per drop is pretty intense. Even if you were able to make such a concentration why would you want to?

2.5mg per drop would be much better. With 20mg per drop your dosing options go like this: None, 20mg, 40mg, 60mg, etc.

 

[six70]

7 grams of mdma in 1.75l of vodka. Will it be stable for more than 24 hours? Also, will the doseage be spread out evenly or will i have to ferociously shake the bottle every time. Thanks in advance guys

 

[PepperSocks]

Oh it'll be stable for a long time. Once dissolved and shaken thoroughly it should remain evenly distributed.

Just curious, why dissolve it in so much vodka? That's a high booze:MDMA ratio, not the greatest combo.

 

[pharmakos]

Just curious, why dissolve it in so much vodka? That's a high booze:MDMA ratio, not the greatest combo.

i assume because 1shot of the vodka will contain about 175mg of MDMA. that's actually not too bad of a ratio. dosing with a shot glass is a little sloppy as far as measuring is concerned (figure out for sure how many ml your shot glass holds!), but there are far sloppier ways of measuring doses.

 

[PepperSocks]

Oh, not bad. I didn't do the math. Yeah, having a 1.75L bottle of vodka with 175mg of MDMA in every shot isn't a bad idea. Convenient way of dosing; just make sure it's labelled so that a guest doesn't just start mixing 3 oz. drinks thinking it's booze.

 

[pharmakos]

yes i should have thought of saying that, definitely label that thing! and hide it!

 

[taktahan]

Does 2C-I dissolved in ethyl ether or non-polar solvent? Afoaf need to purify this tanned substance and do a recrystallization.

 

[Jesusgreen]

^ Just fyi, if your "Friend of a friend" is yourself, just say so - as afoaf/swim/etc don't protect you, and we don't use them here. If it actually is a friend, well go ahead. Unfortunately I can't answer your question though as I'm not completely sure.

 

[PepperSocks]

Does 2C-I dissolved in ethyl ether or non-polar solvent? Afoaf need to purify this tanned substance and do a recrystallization.

No, any 2C-I you're likely to have is the polar HCL salt. It won't dissolve in ether but it will dissolve in a pure alcohol, which can be put in a freezer for recrystalization.

That is the general theory that is used for MDMA and meth, and it should apply for any similar compound (amine-HCL salt). Google a process for MDMA recrystallization and that should be a good guideline.

 

[Transcendence]

I don't think dissolving chemicals completely is necessary or even beneficial for plugging. Suspensions work fine. 100mg of aMT freebase is easily and homogeneously suspended in 0.5ml of cheap warm white wine (I think cheaper wine generally has a higher acetic acid content) and 0.5ml of warm tap water.