Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[HdoubleODeezy]

yeah dude, haha, I got that bump too. and when I put the needle in, I can feel myself pushing down deeper to get to the vein cause of the scar tissue. I can't really hit the one above the wrist, I keep trying.

Anyway, I had a question, that I havn't been able to find a straight answer to. I'm thinking about ordering kratom sometime in the future when I get money, because I read that it eases the withdrawl symptoms. I'm hoping that this can help me space my doses out more. Does this raise your tolerance though? Because if that were the case, than it would be completely pointless.
Also, I think I read somewhere that Kratom has a higher binding affinity to the receptors than buprenorphine... I have a hard time believing this could possibly be true, but I can swear I heard that somewhere. When I search for answers, everything is pretty vague. I I.V 1 mg (going for .75 starting tomorrow) which I calculated is roughly equivalant to dosing 3 mg sublingually.. If anyone knows about this, I'd be excited to find out.

if you're used to taking bupe than i highly doubt that kratom would raise your tolerance UNLESS you were using huge amounts daily for while.. but if you just use it to take a few days off bupe than, no, i don't believe it would raise your tolerance and if it did (which it shouldn't) just lower it back down with the bupe.. i used to LOVE kratom but i haven't tried it since ive been on subs (3 years) because i feel it will be a waste. if you try it and it works with subs or like 24hrs after subs make sure you let us know. cuz i would love to go back to my kratom guy.. great kratom great prices.

EDIT: not sure on the part about affinities.. i think bupe has higher affinity but let someone who knows for sure chime in.

 

[needlejuice]

ive also been thinking about replacing bupe with something like hydrocodein or a small amount of methadone 10-20mg and stay at that dose for about 2 weeks and then when im ready to go back to bupe my toelrance will be a lot lower. i did this once with heroin. i did a bag a day which was the bare minimum to get by with my bupe tolerance. when i went back to bupe it was like the first time i tried it

also zneg, since u iv ur subs u should try this tip. prep a rig before u go to bed, because whenever i do this and i take my shot within 10 minutes of waking up i feel it twice as much. the same goes for smoking weed it just hits so hard rite when u wake up. if u wait a little bit you wont get same effects.
another quesiton zneg. do u know where your tolerance is at with other opiods/opiates since youve been stabilized on bupe. i am lower than 1mg a day and still find it takes a whole lot to break thru the sub.

 

[Znegative]

I do know that when I was I.V'ing a little bit more than 1 mg, 2 bags of dope still didn't break through. then again, it was shitty dope. I'm kind of curious to go out and try some methadone. I can easily get 100 mg for extremely cheap, I'm guessing that would have to break through. My number one problem right now is money, so until I get some of that I am not really able to test my tolerance at this point. I would love to switch off to some hydro's for a few days, but it cannot be.

I experience the same thing. Upon waking up I feel the subs are almost twice as strong, and I can't figure it out. Part of me feels that it might be a placebo effect, because I also wake up feeling really shitty, and within minutes of taking my shot I feel all better. Right now I'm struggling to fall asleep. I'm tempted to do another shot of .1 mg just to get me to bed, but I'm not going to give in, cause I know it will make that morning bang better.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

if you do try and break through your bupe dose with high dose opiates ( like the 100mg methadone mentioned) make sure you remember to BREATH you need to do it to live lol, all im saying is bupe may block effects of other drugs but if you keep taking more and more to try and get high, the respiratory depression is still there. So even though you may not get high you could still OD.. ( this lecture may or may not have been needed, but figured i'd throw it out there anyways )
Be safe. %)

 

[Heroin Girl]

yeah dude, haha, I got that bump too. and when I put the needle in, I can feel myself pushing down deeper to get to the vein cause of the scar tissue. I can't really hit the one above the wrist, I keep trying.

Anyway, I had a question, that I havn't been able to find a straight answer to. I'm thinking about ordering kratom sometime in the future when I get money, because I read that it eases the withdrawl symptoms. I'm hoping that this can help me space my doses out more. Does this raise your tolerance though? Because if that were the case, than it would be completely pointless.
Also, I think I read somewhere that Kratom has a higher binding affinity to the receptors than buprenorphine... I have a hard time believing this could possibly be true, but I can swear I heard that somewhere. When I search for answers, everything is pretty vague. I I.V 1 mg (going for .75 starting tomorrow) which I calculated is roughly equivalant to dosing 3 mg sublingually.. If anyone knows about this, I'd be excited to find out.

I've used kratom on a similar dose of bupe, and it definitely works. There's info on Opiophile and DF about it; I'm too tired to do a thorough search, but this
was on the first page.

I've taken Kratom for full-agonist withdrawal quite a few times, and if it altered my opiate tolerance, it wasn't noticeable. If you use it regularly, though, you will develop a Kratom tolerance fairly quickly. Some people say they get mild withdrawal after ~1 month, but I never noticed any.

I don't know if we can mention brands here, but I've tried a lot of different sources and varieties, and have found a couple that work much better for withdrawal.

I'm not sure how experienced you are with Kratom, but if you've got any questions, feel free to pm me. Although I haven't used it for sub withdrawal, I've experimented with it quite a bit.

previouslyhere have you tried kava? It feels a lot more benzo-y than Valerian, and it's pretty easy to get.

 

[Znegative]

Thanks guys, and girls for the advice. I'll definately be sending you an email Heroin Girl. Thanks alot for the link, I wish I could find out more about this. It seems bizzare that kratom would have a higher affinity, but let's pray it does.

HdoubleOdeezy, thanks for the warning. Don't worry though, I wouldn't just down 100 mg of methadone haha. I've done that before when I was a few days off suboxone (this was a few years ago) and it really nearly killed me. Methadone is a pretty scary drug to OD on.

 

[previouslyhere]

i got a question about tapering/kicking in a somewhat weird situation:

I was on bupe every day for 2 years. Started at 2MG day and worked my way down to 0.5.

I ran out of bupe literally at the same time I had a back surgery. So instead of going back to the Bupe doctor I just decided to fill the vicodin scripts I got from surgery and figured I'd taper off the Vikes since they are shorter acting.

Well, that obviously didn't work... I was taking the Vikes for about 4-5 weeks before I got some more Bupe.

I went back on Bupe and its been about a month. Did 2MG/day for the first week, 1MG/day for the 2nd week, 0.75 for the 3rd, and now I'm at 0.25-0.5. I'm finally starting to do skip-days in this taper and lower my dose after each skip day .

My question is this:

I know its easier to do a detox/taper when you're only on for like a month, compared to maintenance for a few years. Does my body know this? Like, did my two years of Bupe use get "flushed out" when I went off it and started taking the Vikes. I've technically only been on Bupe for like a month. But does my body know this? What kind of W/D am I going to be looking at? I've been exercising hard every day, eating right, taking vitamins and 5-HTP as well trying to prepare.

 

[Znegative]

I think you should be ok. The half life of bupe is really long, but you had been on such a low dosage, and off for a little over a month, so I imagine that before you got back on it, there was none in your system. Maybe if you had jumped off 8 mg or so you might have that problem.

 

[previouslyhere]

^ thanks, that's what I figured. I have about 2 mg left i think. Can't tell because i've been chipping peices off 8s. im gonna try 2 skip days in a row this weekend, and when i dose tomorrow, try some tagament with it to stretch it out. cant wait to get off this shit

 

[Mystery Brew]

also zneg, since u iv ur subs u should try this tip. prep a rig before u go to bed, because whenever i do this and i take my shot within 10 minutes of waking up i feel it twice as much. .

Please don't "pre-prep". Prep when ever you need it, it doesn't take long.

Prepping and leaving it for a hours gives it alot of time to start forming bacteria. And I don't need to tell you that you will be ill.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

thats what benzyl alcohol is for.. putting in solutions at about 1% levels can let them age for up to a month w/o any more bacteria in it than when it started..

make a 30ml vial solution= .3ml (30units) benzyl alcohol.. i got a 50ml vial of the stuff for about the price for a pack of cigarettes and it will last me years.

or you can buy the water with the benzyl alcohol already in it, i think it's called: bacteriostatic water, its .9% benzyl alcohol 99.1% sterile water. Usually comes in 30ml vials. I believe it's what CH uses.

 

[Ashley26]

So I'm back to using 100+ mg of oxy a day. Its amazing how your tolerance goes right back to where it was. I think I'm going to go back to the subs. I'm sick of waking up every morning and feeling awful

 

[cj]

Ok here is my situation. I have 13 8mg suboxone. I have been on a 2-3 week heroin run I took subs maybe twice during that time period. Before this I took subs for 3 months uninterupted at doses as low as 2mg a day 4mg on some days for around 3 months. I want to get clean from opiates in general. In your opinoin am I addicted to heroin or suboxoxne right now? Like will my withdrawl last 5-7 days or 2-3 weeks? If it is just heroin I am going to try and kick opiates once and for all with a quick sub taper. Could someone recomend a good taper plan? I also have 20 1mg kolonopins to help. If The consenses is that im still gonna withdrawl from the bupe then I am going to go the real slow gradual drop down route.

To recap
1. Am I addicted to heroin or soboxone?
2.If heroin is the answer can someone make me a good taper schedule with the subs.
3. If im addicted to suboxe could you then make a taper schedule for that.

Keep in mind I have 13 8mg subs and 20 1mg kolonipin.


Thank you for your help I am mentally in a bad state right now and am having a hard time finding the answers to my questions online.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

To recap
1. Am I addicted to heroin or soboxone?
i would say you're addicted to heroin at the time being but that's a simple switch.. just start taking subs when you get into full w/d's.. then follow my taper below and you should be all set
2.If heroin is the answer can someone make me a good taper schedule with the subs.
I would take 4mg a day for a week
3mg for a week
2mg for a week
1mg for a week
.5mg until you feel you can stop totally or until you run outta subs
3. If im addicted to suboxe could you then make a taper schedule for that.
^ i just made a taper schedule above..
Keep in mind I have 13 8mg subs and 20 1mg kolonipin.
the klonopins will help with w/d symptoms when you lower your dose so save them for when you drop from 4mg-3mg, 3mg-2mg, 2mg-1mg, 1mg-.5mg.. etc. they will really help you out if you're feeling shitty

answered in BOLD above

 

[cj]

Thank you that is very helpful I would welcome some other opioins as well but if no one sees a problem with his schedule I will go for it. Thank you again

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

no problem.. you could design your own taper if you don't feel comfortable enough with mine.. just make sure you have enough pills to do it with and that you lower your dose down to zero.. you don't wanna run outta subs at the 3mg mark of your taper lol, that would suck.. but i think my plan should work and i think you have enough pills for it. it would take about 9.5 of your 13 pills.
you would use 74mg out of 104mg.

 

[shruuuuuuuuzzz]

hi guys, quick question about alcohol drinking while on bupe,
the situation:
18ish hours clean of heroin.
but I'll be taking 2mg suboxone about when im 15-18 hours after my last dose. about4-6 hours before i start drinkin alcohol
for my friends birthday party.

relatively safe?
thanks

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

im not going to tell you it's safe, mixing downers is never "safe" but you can get away with it if you're careful.. but a lot of people get sick drinking alcohol while on suboxone.. so i'd limit yourself if you must drink, or else you might spend the night puking.
have fun

 

[cj]

no problem.. you could design your own taper if you don't feel comfortable enough with mine.. just make sure you have enough pills to do it with and that you lower your dose down to zero.. you don't wanna run outta subs at the 3mg mark of your taper lol, that would suck.. but i think my plan should work and i think you have enough pills for it. it would take about 9.5 of your 13 pills.
you would use 74mg out of 104mg.

No ur taper sounds great I guess my main concern is that I am gonna have heroin withdrawl and not suboxone withdrawl 2 weeks in withdrawl simply sounds like hell.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

No ur taper sounds great I guess my main concern is that I am gonna have heroin withdrawl and not suboxone withdrawl 2 weeks in withdrawl simply sounds like hell.

you can start the subs 12-24 hours after your last dose of heroin so the only w/d you would have would be 12-24 hours and you can start the subs and once you start the subs you will be w/d free the only w/d you would have had from the heroin would be the 24 hours in between the two drugs.. and then the next w/d you will get will be suboxone w/d when you end your taper, but if you stay at .5mg for at least a week and jump off from there it should be almost painless.. it would be almost completely painless if you had some benzos left over to take the first 2-3 days after you're off subs.