Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[HdoubleODeezy]

when i was IVing i would iv .2mg-.3mg at a time 4-5 times a day and i got decent effects each shot.. well being, mood lift, energy, pretty much everything you said. but now im back to snorting it.. i will go back to IV someday but imma take a break from it for a while..

 

[raznaruk138]

Well my experience with suboxone was i started taking it saturday, waited till i was really sick to take it, and took .5 every 45 mins to hour till 75% of wd was gone 2mg held me for about 6 hours that first day, so in the first 24 hours i probably went through 8 mgs, doing that, however the 2nd 24 hours only took 2 mgs i suffered as much as i could take it. as after taking suboxone i realized very quickly i do not want to be on that ish,now, unfortunatly, i had a really really bad night monday night, and used some dope, on that low dose of sub it still worked to about 80% of normal, then woke up today and took 20 mg of oc, and feel good, last week it took me 30 mg, so i think i lowered my tolerance a little,so now the plan is to taper on oc, and just try to manage that and avoid heroin altogether.
I see ppl mention mood elevation from subs, etc etc, for me there was none of that, in fact, it seemed to totaly shut off the pleasure center of my brain no matter what i did i felt not even an iota of happiness , tramadol,.ativan, pot, nothing helped at all, until i was down to 1mg, every 12 hours, then pot finnaly started to work its magic (ie ability to be positive) maybe i should have taken more, but in hindsight i am glad i didnt, as in even trying i would have likely raised my tolerance and got no pleasure in doing so, instead i seem to have lowered it a bit in 3 days, i was taking me 30mg of oc to feel good, today it only took 20mg and i am good, plus its only been 24 hours since my last sub dose,so i am optomistic that i will be able to get even lower on oc tomarrow,so im gonna give my pills to my friend who i trust with my life and taper from here, imo tapering is far less painful than taking subs.
in conclusion, i would say, take as little sub as possible and suffer as much as you can and get off fast. and thats IF there is no alternative, like having someone hold your shit and tapering, which granted is far harder with dope than pills due to reasons i dont think i need to explain. but for me personally sub maint. is just simply not an option, i didnt leave the sofa from saturday at 6pm, till 3am tuesday morning now again, maybe a higher dose of subs would have done more, but i wasnt even gonna chance it as i hated the way 2mg made me feel, yes getting rid of dope sickness is wonderful, but the inablility to feel any pleasure from anything was just more than i could take, at least on a hardcore taper i am still semi functional. and can experience some pleasure in a day.
I hope my experience can answer or help someone, take from it what you will and feel free to disagree. But a huge THANK YOU and mad props to those who suggested taking the lowest dose of subs you can get by on and get off fast. the other thing i should mention is i went into it having no intention of stopping opiates for good, just to get away from heroin and go back to a small oc habbit i can maintain.

 

[Heroin Girl]

^Trust me, the depression is way worse at higher doses. I know it's a miracle drug for a lot of people, I just wish it wasn't the only maintenance drug easily attainable... I really regret not doing a rapid taper, but at least I kept my dose low, and only two more days til I'm bupe-free. Good luck with your taper, dude.

ZNegative I know this wasn't directed at me, but I got the most consistent "buzz" at .5-.7mg using 6/7's method - iirc, splitting it into two doses a day worked better. The buzz lasted about two weeks, though and not really a high....kinda like a slightly weaker version of my sub honeymoon. I don't react well to subs, though, and it seems that quite a few people can maintain a buzz.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If it wasn't for BL i never would have known/thought of taking such a tiny amount of sub.

BollWeevil, or anyone else doing the same thing, at which point do you jump off then? 0.2 is really small, especially when you compare it to how much some people take. I would think eventually your body would just get so little out of a tiny dose that you could stop and it wouldn't notice. I don't know, sub is a really strange drug.

Also, i recently dropped from 8mg's to 2mg's without any real wd's. That was about 2 weeks ago. Would it be ok to drop again at this point to 1mg? Basically i'm doing this in an attempt to lower my tolerance.

Yeah I think you will be fine going from 2 to 1. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

when i was IVing i would iv .2mg-.3mg at a time 4-5 times a day and i got decent effects each shot.. well being, mood lift, energy, pretty much everything you said. but now im back to snorting it.. i will go back to IV someday but imma take a break from it for a while..

Nothing wrong with taking a break. I have gone a whole day without IVing it and I thought it was a miracle to be honest (I expected to have to try IVing in an airport bathroom, which has a receptacle for used needles) and I was pretty proud of myself for not doing this.

I am taking short periods of breaks from it now (like 6 to 12 hours at a time, typically) but I plan on using it regularly in the near future. I am also anticipating tapering again soon. I got to roughly 100 mcg per shot, then I adjusted my dose back up so each shot would last me longer.

Well my experience with suboxone was i started taking it saturday, waited till i was really sick to take it, and took .5 every 45 mins to hour till 75% of wd was gone 2mg held me for about 6 hours that first day, so in the first 24 hours i probably went through 8 mgs, doing that, however the 2nd 24 hours only took 2 mgs i suffered as much as i could take it. as after taking suboxone i realized very quickly i do not want to be on that ish,now, unfortunatly, i had a really really bad night monday night, and used some dope, on that low dose of sub it still worked to about 80% of normal, then woke up today and took 20 mg of oc, and feel good, last week it took me 30 mg, so i think i lowered my tolerance a little,so now the plan is to taper on oc, and just try to manage that and avoid heroin altogether.
I see ppl mention mood elevation from subs, etc etc, for me there was none of that, in fact, it seemed to totaly shut off the pleasure center of my brain no matter what i did i felt not even an iota of happiness , tramadol,.ativan, pot, nothing helped at all, until i was down to 1mg, every 12 hours, then pot finnaly started to work its magic (ie ability to be positive) maybe i should have taken more, but in hindsight i am glad i didnt, as in even trying i would have likely raised my tolerance and got no pleasure in doing so, instead i seem to have lowered it a bit in 3 days, i was taking me 30mg of oc to feel good, today it only took 20mg and i am good, plus its only been 24 hours since my last sub dose,so i am optomistic that i will be able to get even lower on oc tomarrow,so im gonna give my pills to my friend who i trust with my life and taper from here, imo tapering is far less painful than taking subs.
in conclusion, i would say, take as little sub as possible and suffer as much as you can and get off fast. and thats IF there is no alternative, like having someone hold your shit and tapering, which granted is far harder with dope than pills due to reasons i dont think i need to explain. but for me personally sub maint. is just simply not an option, i didnt leave the sofa from saturday at 6pm, till 3am tuesday morning now again, maybe a higher dose of subs would have done more, but i wasnt even gonna chance it as i hated the way 2mg made me feel, yes getting rid of dope sickness is wonderful, but the inablility to feel any pleasure from anything was just more than i could take, at least on a hardcore taper i am still semi functional. and can experience some pleasure in a day.
I hope my experience can answer or help someone, take from it what you will and feel free to disagree. But a huge THANK YOU and mad props to those who suggested taking the lowest dose of subs you can get by on and get off fast. the other thing i should mention is i went into it having no intention of stopping opiates for good, just to get away from heroin and go back to a small oc habbit i can maintain.

Anhedonia is due to PAWS, or acute withdrawal from heroin. I wouldn't associate it with buprenorphine. However, congratulations on getting off of it all together.

^Trust me, the depression is way worse at higher doses. I know it's a miracle drug for a lot of people, I just wish it wasn't the only maintenance drug easily attainable... I really regret not doing a rapid taper, but at least I kept my dose low, and only two more days til I'm bupe-free. Good luck with your taper, dude.

ZNegative I know this wasn't directed at me, but I got the most consistent "buzz" at .5-.7mg using 6/7's method - iirc, splitting it into two doses a day worked better. The buzz lasted about two weeks, though and not really a high....kinda like a slightly weaker version of my sub honeymoon. I don't react well to subs, though, and it seems that quite a few people can maintain a buzz.

Congratulations and let us know how it goes in two days! :D

 

[needlejuice]

i am rite there with u zneg on the taper. ive also notcied how much more ive been feeling sub now im on lower than 1mg. i dont know if you smoke, but weed can make me forget about bupe withdrawal compeltly. i was on day 4 of bupe detox and smoking weed eliminated every symptom for me. i went 7 days before relapsing. in my experience bupe withdrawl was very tolerable and didnt come with all the anxiety of full agonist withdrawl.

ive been iv'ing .5 every 12hours sometime every 6-10 hours if ive woken up early and feel weird. i plan on adventuring to the depths of .3-.4 and eventually would like to just stop dosing the bupe and start sticking my used cottons under my tongue (what i did last detox) every day or two until i can compeltly come off

 

[Znegative]

yeah man, I am trying to stick to .25 4x a day, but today, I woke up, and .25 just didn't make me feel right enough, so I upped it back to .5. I don't know why that is. the rest of the day I just do 2 more .25 shots.

 

[totach]

hey guys i hav a ? if u can help me out pls. So i just kicked a 5 year heroin habit n i took subs to kick only for the first week. I still felt pretty shitty after stoping the subs. Now last night after not taking any opiate for 3 weeks including subs i snorted like 2mg of subs cuz i didnt feel good. Now, i actually got really high from this. So my ? is did i fuck up n relapse? or can i take subs once in a while to feel better or is it the same as doin dope once in a while since i really kinda got high from the subs. I was really shocked that i got high.

 

[Harry P]

suboxone/hydromet

hey, I was just prescribed Hyrdomet cough syrup for the flu, and I'm currenly on suboxone right now too. Will the suboxone block the codeine that's in the syrup as well and will I at least be able to feel the effects of the cough suppresant? Because I do have a cough from hell too!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

hey guys i hav a ? if u can help me out pls. So i just kicked a 5 year heroin habit n i took subs to kick only for the first week. I still felt pretty shitty after stoping the subs. Now last night after not taking any opiate for 3 weeks including subs i snorted like 2mg of subs cuz i didnt feel good. Now, i actually got really high from this. So my ? is did i fuck up n relapse? or can i take subs once in a while to feel better or is it the same as doin dope once in a while since i really kinda got high from the subs. I was really shocked that i got high.

No, you didn't fuck up and relapse. You just used Suboxone one last time. I am sure you'll be able to avoid withdrawals by not using it anymore.

Glad to hear you got good effects from it.

hey, I was just prescribed Hyrdomet cough syrup for the flu, and I'm currenly on suboxone right now too. Will the suboxone block the codeine that's in the syrup as well and will I at least be able to feel the effects of the cough suppresant? Because I do have a cough from hell too!

Codeine likely won't give you much of an effect while on Suboxone. I would take the codeine by itself (if you're using it for a high) or on top of the Suboxone (but also not taking more Suboxone until the codeine is no longer effecting you).

 

[Brose]

I've been experimenting in the days leading up to quitting bupe taken daily, taking doses of poppy pod tea/ eating poppy pods, and it seems to help me titrate the sub down quicker. I won't have any w/ds for around two days after taking the pod tea (because of all the alkaloids still kicking around)... I of course waited till near when w/ds would kick in to take the pods, and then went back on the sub the day after the two days covered by the pods (basically, nearly four days later).

I'm at a really low dose of bupe daily (maybe 0.2mg/day insuffulated nasally), and am thinking these long breaks (almost four days), if I fit in like one more within the next few days, will help a lot with the sub withdrawal because I have been covered by another opiate for a pretty substantial amount of time (something like 7-8 out of 9-10 days). It seemed to go as I expected for the first four-day stint, and I feel that I may have been able to hold off of the sub even longer, but I was having quite a bad day and caved in to taking the dose.

Anyways, the idea here is taking another opiate in the weaning stages from bupe so that your body is not dependent solely on bupe for it's effects. The opiate addiction itself will linger, of course, but will be weakened by the drop in tolerance from each drug from the time taken off of it (especially the 7-8 days of 10 without Suboxone...!) I suspect that this could be easily done with other opiates rather than poppy pods, but I do think the long half-life which can allow you to go 2-3 days without feeling withdrawals can be helpful!

I should add that I am addicted to benzodiazepines to a somewhat small degree as well, (...more like at the end of my month of use and time to taper off), but anyways, that makes my 0.2mg bupe definitely stronger than it would have been on it's own. That's why I don't just drop off the dose right from here... I know from past experience that I will get w/ds pretty bad even from stopping all at once from 0.2mg bupe combined with a benzo daily. This time, I intend to not stop all at once (as described above, and also, by skipping days between doses before quitting altogether. I think both of these things should make for a much smoother taper off...)

Sounds like a very smart strat.. similar to what i would like to try when the time comes for me.

Congrats on maintaining that low dose! Cant get much lower than that! Youre practically off it already haha.

I know how hard it can be. Ive been taking subs for 3 years but there was a 3 month period in there where i tried to stop. I was substituting the entire 3 months with just enough hydrocodone to keep myself from feeling suicidal. After 3 months of that torture i went back to subs because life was hell without it. I still really needed it. Wasnt ready. :/

So, really, good work getting down so low, and use all the opiates and pods you need to smooth out that final jump!

 

[Znegative]

what I plan with suboxone is this: I eventually want to get off of it, but still have it around, so if I do want to get high, it can be on suboxone, which will would be much more affordable and less hazardous to my life and well being. Without an opiate tolerance, or even just a low tolerance, suboxone can give a GREAT high, IMO. Some people never experience it, from what I hear, but I have, and it satisfies me as much as sniffing dope when it's at its best.

What I can't stand is how whenever I wake up, I always give in to taking .5. This morning I really wanted to stick to .25, but after I dosed, I still felt kind of shitty. I'm not sure why it's like this in the morning, because there have been times when I've gone without suboxone during my waking hours, for longer than I have while sleeping, and I don't feel nearly as bad. When I wake up, I feel like there's all this toxic stuff in my stomach, my head hurts and I feel real jittery, anyone else experience this?

 

[previouslyhere]

What I can't stand is how whenever I wake up, I always give in to taking .5. This morning I really wanted to stick to .25, but after I dosed, I still felt kind of shitty. I'm not sure why it's like this in the morning, because there have been times when I've gone without suboxone during my waking hours, for longer than I have while sleeping, and I don't feel nearly as bad. When I wake up, I feel like there's all this toxic stuff in my stomach, my head hurts and I feel real jittery, anyone else experience this?

Kind of. I've never been able to do skip-days on Bupe without going into Withdrawal. I take 0.5 a day, around 7 AM when I get up...and by the next morning I'm starting to feel the W/Ds set in. Not like full blown opiate W/D but I still feel like shit. So I tell myself , "Tomorrow I'll drop down to 0.25", and I wake up feeling like shit, take 0.25, it doesn't make me feel 100%, so I give in to the full 0.5 and the cycle starts again.

Today is my first real skip-day though. So far so good but I took some valerian extract which is definitely helping.

 

[Znegative]

wow, what's that? I'm about to give in to take another dose right now, it's been about 9 hours since I last took..

 

[previouslyhere]

wow, what's that? I'm about to give in to take another dose right now, it's been about 9 hours since I last took..

i just bumped a thread about it. i was skpetical about it at first but its definitely helping. its an herbal suppliment that is supposed to lower blood pressure and relax your muscles. Some say its like an "herbal benzo" ; I dont have any access to benzos so I figured I'd give it a try. I'm super tolerant to all that shit anyway so I definitely noticed its relaxation effects. Everyones different but its definitely helping with my skip-day today! I'm dosing tomorrow...hopefully 0.25

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

i just bumped a thread about it. i was skpetical about it at first but its definitely helping. its an herbal suppliment that is supposed to lower blood pressure and relax your muscles. Some say its like an "herbal benzo" ; I dont have any access to benzos so I figured I'd give it a try. I'm super tolerant to all that shit anyway so I definitely noticed its relaxation effects. Everyones different but its definitely helping with my skip-day today! I'm dosing tomorrow...hopefully 0.25

if you have a hard time finding benzos, there is always phenazepam
.. but be careful with it, very careful with dosing.
but if that herbal stuff helps you that's great :D

 

[previouslyhere]

if you have a hard time finding benzos, there is always phenazepam
.. but be careful with it, very careful with dosing.
but if that herbal stuff helps you that's great :D

Thanks man.. I thought about it, but TBH it sounds like way too much work for what I want to do (just ease the WD symptoms/sleep). Plus it doesn't seem AS enjoyable as some of the others from what I've read.

I'll tell you what though...reading through some of these Pod threads has got me curious/craving about that...even though im trying to stop bupe and opiates all together haha

 

[fm1983]

Eh, my sub doctor didn't give me the muscle relaxers I was looking for today. He feels they don't work good, and the cons outweigh the perks. Not a big deal, as I truly don't really need them, but it would have been nice to have for the days I am extremely achy and such. He did however, load me up with 60 xanax for the month, which is great.

Today was the day, he writes my first months script, after a trial of a week. I told him I am stable at 16mg a day, when in actuality I am stable on 4mg daily. However, my fiance is also taking the suboxone along with me, and instead of her paying to go as well, we use the over-prescribed extras for her. Which, if people are in the same scenario, (2 addicts) I recommend doing the same thing. Why pay for two people to go, when you know you can get prescribed enough for both of you.

 

[Znegative]

yeah, I've been curious about those too, but then again, my bupe level is probably high enough to still block any euphoric effect from those.

I plan on ordering phenazapam, mephedrone, and all those RC's that you can get on line as soon as I put some money in my account and get out of debt. Then I can finally get a micron filter too, thank god. My veins all still work, but my good ol one in the inside crook of the elbow seems to be giving out now, cause I shoot subs into it alot. The blood just slowly trickles in when I register.

 

[needlejuice]

hahah the one on my crook is doing the same. i have to go below it or above the bump now. i dont really have tracks there its just like a bump. but that was always the guaranteed first try spot so ive been tryin to give it a break and use the one on the top of my forearm a few inches above the wrist

 

[Znegative]

yeah dude, haha, I got that bump too. and when I put the needle in, I can feel myself pushing down deeper to get to the vein cause of the scar tissue. I can't really hit the one above the wrist, I keep trying.

Anyway, I had a question, that I havn't been able to find a straight answer to. I'm thinking about ordering kratom sometime in the future when I get money, because I read that it eases the withdrawl symptoms. I'm hoping that this can help me space my doses out more. Does this raise your tolerance though? Because if that were the case, than it would be completely pointless.
Also, I think I read somewhere that Kratom has a higher binding affinity to the receptors than buprenorphine... I have a hard time believing this could possibly be true, but I can swear I heard that somewhere. When I search for answers, everything is pretty vague. I I.V 1 mg (going for .75 starting tomorrow) which I calculated is roughly equivalant to dosing 3 mg sublingually.. If anyone knows about this, I'd be excited to find out.