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NEWS: Nurofen + etc to be made Prescription only!!!

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In Melbourne got a 30 pack this arvo but was confronted with a few questions, any more then 30 requires a prescription. Simply said I use them for migraines and it was all good.
 
^ I hate it when they ask stupid questions.

Fuck these new laws I want some fucking codeine but I have to wait for my tolerance to go down, I'm going to try two months and see how that goes. FUCK
 
^ Thanks ma'am, unfortunately it is not really a choice rather then I am guessing that is how long it will take for my tolerance to be reasonable if my receptor up-regulation is logarithmic... I'm not sure if logarithmic is the right word there because I am terrible at maths. By that I mean, if the receptors show a steady, time-dependent up-regulation pattern then I estimate that in two months my tolerance should have been reduced by about 800mg to... around 700mg. When I took a one month break once my tolerance went down by 400mg this is how I am deducing this estimation.

I am not really prepared to go around to x number of pharmacies every time I want to dose codeine, so I'm gonna have to let my tolerance drop.
 
^ im in the same boat as you mate trying to cut down, its pretty easy to get a 30 pack without any hassle where im from so im trying to get my tolerance down to 600mg.

by the way, good to see you posting again man.
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ Thanks ma'am, unfortunately it is not really a choice rather then I am guessing that is how long it will take for my tolerance to be reasonable if my receptor up-regulation is logarithmic... I'm not sure if logarithmic is the right word there because I am terrible at maths.
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What you are saying is probably not what you expect.

I will show you what I think you are saying....

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This is a picture of the exponential function which I think you are trying to explain.

If you can imagine the exponential function with a time shift so that it starts at 0, then this somewhat represents opiate tolerance over time, when we imagine the x axis to be time and the y axis to be tolerance.

Now what you actually said was this:
logarithmic-function-graph.GIF

Notice that the logarithmic function is shown in red, and the x axis is time, and the y axis is tolerance.

The thing to note here is that the logarithmic function (shown in red) is the inverse of the exponential function shown in blue.

So, you were on the right track, and possibly even correct if you were suggesting that tolerance levels out at some stage. Anyway, hope that helps.
 
^ Check your PMs I wasn't referring to you my post clearly pointed to the post about the pharmacies.

nabollocks: Argh I can't stand mathematics... so is logarithmic correct if I was talking about tolerance coming down, because that's what the graph appears to be showing?

Let it be known that I still have no idea what logarithmic means and probably only a slightly better grasp on exponential... -ness.
 
nabollocks; thanks. That's what we need more of here - simple explanation of a basic process complete with graphs. Mr Blonde, it's year 10 stuff at best, so you know what I'm going to suggest....
 
Fucking bad news!

YEh!


All the damn codiene products have been taken off the shelf. I don't know if im late to knowing this as i chilled out on the dean the past like 6 weeks or so! HAvent had it..

But i went to get it 2 days ago and it was ALL gone.. all taken off and ALL behind the counter. .. :(

Even the 30 packs!!!
 
Tolerance would be better represented by e^-x, I think. Been a while since I've done math but that makes more sense to me.

My local chemist still sells me 30's no problem. Perks of being an innocent delivery boy for 5 years though I guess. I should try for bigger.

Question for those in the know or who have learnt from experience. Long story short, friend had downed 8 panadeine 15s which I'm guessing was the main problem bur he also had a few cones and beers on top. he wasn't sick, but he stood up went white, and tried to walk. His legs gave out on him and he just passed out. Why? I know that the amount of paracetamol he hadwas bad, but can there be many complicatios with codeine and ethanol or would it be more likely be the combo of ethanol and paracetamol?
 
intolerant i'd say

your friend is an idiot for going around downing 4g of APAP at once. The ethanol likely had something to do with the reaction too - who can speculate?
 
^ I don't think it would have been the APAP, it sounds more like something to do with low blood pressure to me.

nabollocks; thanks. That's what we need more of here - simple explanation of a basic process complete with graphs. Mr Blonde, it's year 10 stuff at best, so you know what I'm going to suggest....
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Going back to high school? 8o

Or I'm dyscalculic?
 
Mr Blonde said:
Regular AusDD users might remember that the forum owner visited one of our codeine threads once, I can't remember which one... basically, his argument boiled down to that if his forum discussed CWE, his users use of pills would probably escalate. I remember it was an interesting discussion that we all had, and BL'ers were respectful of his position.
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Hey all, just popped in from the addiction forum to see what the feeling is on the changes to the law from recreational users perspective. I used to post under the name Maxi.

Interestingly the capped pack size and having to talk to a pharmacist is prompting addicts to seek help and we have had an influx of new members.

I find it strange that people can take bucket loads of ibuprofen and destroy their insides, lose their jobs and families etc and not get help - but having capped pack sizes or needing to justify their use to a pharmacist sends them to a Drug and Alcohol counsellor, but there you have it.

We do allow discussion of CWE, but we refer people here to get the info rather than hijacking recovery threads with details on how to keep using safely.
 
^ So you direct users to BL now for information on CWEs? That's cool brother, also interesting that you note the increased amount of users seeking help on your forum... my guess would be that for those with a large tolerance it's now too much of a hassle to get the stuff or that they are concerned about being found out due to record keeping.
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ So you direct users to BL now for information on CWEs? That's cool brother, also interesting that you note the increased amount of users seeking help on your forum... my guess would be that for those with a large tolerance it's now too much of a hassle to get the stuff or that they are concerned about being found out due to record keeping.
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Yes been directing people here for info on CWE for years

I find the "record keeping" interesting because it isn't a TGA requirement at all but I have noticed some places sharing records. Not sure why they do that.

Here is a comment from a new user, its a common theme lately:
I've been down this road several times before, but like many of you the fear of facing a pharmacist now, feeling as though they will see straight through the lie, is too much to bear
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^ Taking details is required under the new laws, sharing the records isn't though. There was some discussion earlier in this thread though about why some places might be sharing and others aren't.
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ Taking details is required under the new laws, sharing the records isn't though. There was some discussion earlier in this thread though about why some places might be sharing and others aren't.
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There's nothing about taking details in the TGA decision and its not in the Pharmacy Guilds info either:

RESOLUTION 2009/56-8
The Committee decided:

that the current scheduling of codeine combinations for coughs and colds remained appropriate
that OTC combination analgesics containing codeine (CACC) be removed from Schedule 2
to limit the duration of treatment for OTC CACC to no more than 5 days
to limit the maximum unit dose of codeine in OTC CACC to no more than 12 mg
to limit undivided OTC CACC preparations to no more than 5 days supply at a maximum daily dose of 100 mg and at a concentration of no more than 0.25 per cent
to limit the maximum daily dose of codeine in OTC CACC to no more than 100 mg
not to include codeine in OTC CACC in Appendix H, and
to defer implementation of this resolution until 1 May 2010.
 
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