DustnRoses
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I'm in the military and stationed overseas...I don't know what to do.
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Opioids Withdrawal coping techniques (Mega Thread)
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I'm in the military and stationed overseas...I don't know what to do.
DustnRoses
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Also, consumed 24 mg's of loperamide...took some serious convincing myself to swallow 12 pills of anti diarrhea medicine...I hope I can pass a bowel movement sometime in the next month.
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^Have you looked into kratom? It is totally legal in most countries and beats the hell out of loperamide for easing symptoms as it actually binds to opiate receptors in the brain... It also doesn't have the insane side-effects that huge doses of loperamide would...
Captain.Heroin
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DustnRoses
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I live in Italy. Would Kratom show up on a drug test?
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^Drud testing Q's aren't allowed, but this isn't an opiate or really related one, so that should help answer your question. Even if it was found by a lab analysis done specifically to see what the unknown chemicals were in your urine (a fantasy scenario that I'm creating to make a point), the drug is legal in Italy AND the USA AND most of the rest of the world...
PS- I know someone stationed in Naples, currently... You happen to be stationed there as well?
PS- I know someone stationed in Naples, currently... You happen to be stationed there as well?
DustnRoses
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I don't know the first thing about kratom...where to order it, how much to consume, if I can order it to a military base, etc. I am very interested though. And no, I'm not in Naples. I'd love to travel there though.
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I used Kratom to kick a Hydro/Oxy habit. My dose of them was about 120-150mg at a time. I ordered PC/Bali powder from an online vendor. I ordered some 00 "veggie caps" online too.
Kratom took away EVERY W/D symptom for me. I fill about 10-15 caps with the powder and washed them down. If you are having bad wd's at the time, it will take about 45 min's for the WD's to disappeer.
I still binge once a month for 4-5 days with the pills. After a good one I take 10-15 1st day then 7-8 next and so on. After going a couple of weeks without it or pills, 20 caps will give me a little bit of a buzz. Nothing like the pills but better than nothing.
I wish that I could tell you where I get it but..... There are lots of vendors but I found a very good one.
Kratom took away EVERY W/D symptom for me. I fill about 10-15 caps with the powder and washed them down. If you are having bad wd's at the time, it will take about 45 min's for the WD's to disappeer.
I still binge once a month for 4-5 days with the pills. After a good one I take 10-15 1st day then 7-8 next and so on. After going a couple of weeks without it or pills, 20 caps will give me a little bit of a buzz. Nothing like the pills but better than nothing.
I wish that I could tell you where I get it but..... There are lots of vendors but I found a very good one.
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One more thing, I have tried the extracts and several varieties of Kratom but found that PC/Bali works the best and it is the cheapest.
oliphill
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I'm always on a taper plan. It's just I am so damn crap at sticking to it. As soon as I have any money and access to heroin I just cave in and get it.
I have gone down massively over the weekend though. Friday 2 bags, Saturday 1, Sunday so far just some DHC.
I really really want out of this shit now. Fed up of having my life ruled by this shit.
/depressed.
Eight0Eight
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^ If your only only on a 2-bag habit, then getting clean/stable shouldn't be very hard at all..
You considered methadone/subutex?
I'm currently on Methadone and have been leading a completely normal life (NO other drugs) for some time.
You considered methadone/subutex?
I'm currently on Methadone and have been leading a completely normal life (NO other drugs) for some time.
Znegative
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I always find benzo's to work, and weirdly I.V coke, or some other stimulant. It's kind of sick and for some people counterproductive, but using any other drug helps take my mind off things. This might also have to do with the fact that I like shooting coke just as much as heroin, so its basically for me trading one for the other and then using xanax to sleep.
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I was the same way with pills. I can't save any to taper. KRATOM was the answer to my prayers.
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^I'm glad you found kratom worked for you like it did for me. Really, it was unbelievably helpful in this process.
Also, I want to add that the premium micronized leaves (Bali, specifically) are what I used and found worked best of all. The blends, extracts, weren't nearly as effective IMO. The basic, cheap, premium micronized Bali leaves are what worked best for me, and many others! Cheap and effective!
Also, I want to add that the premium micronized leaves (Bali, specifically) are what I used and found worked best of all. The blends, extracts, weren't nearly as effective IMO. The basic, cheap, premium micronized Bali leaves are what worked best for me, and many others! Cheap and effective!
oliphill
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I just made it through withdrawal. Came off 70mls methadone and 3 - 6 bags a day. Took me 3 weeks till i felt better. I was awake for 12 days at one point. It was brutal. I can't recommend getting off methadone before you do it, enough.
I was given something on one day that helped sooooo much:
Chlorpromazine
It helped so so much. The doc was an old guy that had used it loads in the '70s when soldiers came back from Vietnam hooked on opiates. It literally was the only time, be it a few hours, I felt comfortable the whole time I was there! If you are going through opiate withdrawal, I can't recommend this stuff enough,
I was given something on one day that helped sooooo much:
Chlorpromazine
It helped so so much. The doc was an old guy that had used it loads in the '70s when soldiers came back from Vietnam hooked on opiates. It literally was the only time, be it a few hours, I felt comfortable the whole time I was there! If you are going through opiate withdrawal, I can't recommend this stuff enough,
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Does anyone here find that buspirone or diphenoxylate have any reasonable efficacy in mitigating the range and severity of withdrawal symptoms? I would imagine that, though probably not as effective as a benzo, buspirone would probably help a bit with the psychological and restlessness-related subjective aspects, given that it's a sedative anxiolytic.
Diphenoxylate I'm curious about because, as a very weak opioid I would think that it would help with all symptoms to some extent (in a "better than nothing" sort of way,) and as a drug used in the treatment of irritable bowl syndrome I would expect it to have very potent implications on the GI-related problems that tend to accompany any significant opiate withdrawal.
Also, on an unrelated note, a lot of people seem to try to get to sleep during withdrawal using over-the-counter antihistamines, and it's been mentioned in this thread many times on a lot of posters' lists of "things to have during a kick." I would think that this would be counterproductive because many of them, particularly, subjectively, diphenhydramine, can cause or worsen, especially in a person already suffering from opiate withdrawals, restless leg syndrome and muscle spasms, which seem to be the root cause of most opiate-related insomnia in the first place.
Diphenoxylate I'm curious about because, as a very weak opioid I would think that it would help with all symptoms to some extent (in a "better than nothing" sort of way,) and as a drug used in the treatment of irritable bowl syndrome I would expect it to have very potent implications on the GI-related problems that tend to accompany any significant opiate withdrawal.
Also, on an unrelated note, a lot of people seem to try to get to sleep during withdrawal using over-the-counter antihistamines, and it's been mentioned in this thread many times on a lot of posters' lists of "things to have during a kick." I would think that this would be counterproductive because many of them, particularly, subjectively, diphenhydramine, can cause or worsen, especially in a person already suffering from opiate withdrawals, restless leg syndrome and muscle spasms, which seem to be the root cause of most opiate-related insomnia in the first place.
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hydrobliss
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Are you aware that your body metabolizes hydrocodone and turns it Into morphine... so it is in morphine form before it even hits your opiate receptors
the withdrawals of those 2 were a bad example.. as they are the same just maybe differ in intensity depending on the level of addction
need withdrawl advice
Well about 3 years ago i started taking around five 750 ml liquid vics daily. After about 3 months after i started i ended doing about a small glass full, that lead to 25 mil patches fetenl plus vics. I was eating the patches, but then the patches got boosted up to 50 mil. I would wear them for a day then eat them at night... still taking vics during this time. Then the patches went to 75mil, so i would cut strips off them and chew on them through out the day. On top of about any thing else i could get ahold of morph, oxy, perks, you get the drift. Now if i take vicodin it takes 8-10 tho mlgrms to get off. So basically im dependent on them, so its fucking up my family, relationship, job, and life... I cant sleep. I want to stop! i need some advice on how to get through the withdrawls, and get my life back . i know im a newbie on here but please just give me the best advice possible. thanks
Well about 3 years ago i started taking around five 750 ml liquid vics daily. After about 3 months after i started i ended doing about a small glass full, that lead to 25 mil patches fetenl plus vics. I was eating the patches, but then the patches got boosted up to 50 mil. I would wear them for a day then eat them at night... still taking vics during this time. Then the patches went to 75mil, so i would cut strips off them and chew on them through out the day. On top of about any thing else i could get ahold of morph, oxy, perks, you get the drift. Now if i take vicodin it takes 8-10 tho mlgrms to get off. So basically im dependent on them, so its fucking up my family, relationship, job, and life... I cant sleep. I want to stop! i need some advice on how to get through the withdrawls, and get my life back . i know im a newbie on here but please just give me the best advice possible. thanks
The best advice i can give you is to see an addiction dr and/or therapist. they will most likely prescribe you suboxone or subutex which is, according to some people, a miracle drug in the fight against opiate addiction. methadone is another alternative but i would not recommend it due to it's long half life and highly addictive potential. both of these meds have their good and bad sides and you will still go through w/d when coming off either of them; however, the w/d from suboxone is much milder than methadone, esp if you taper.
if you want to stop cold turkey (which i do not recommend because it is very painful and requires a substantial amount of willpower the average addict does not have) there are several things you can do to mitigate and lessen w/d symptoms. Google the Thomas recipe for starters. benzos (valium seems to work best), weed, immodium, clonidine, vitamin b6 and b12, along with a multivitamin all work really well. also look into l-tyrosine which will help with the inevitable depression that will occur after quitting, esp if you are a long time user. hot baths and as much exercise as you can force yourself to do really helps a lot. (i am mostly repeating the thomas recipe with a few additions) the mental part, in my opinion, is much harder than the physical part of withdrawal. w/d is never easy, but these are things you can do to make it bearable. try to keep yourself occupied and make sure you clear your schedule for at least a week as you are not going to feel like working or going to school for a minimum of five to seven days. after this the worst of the physical part should be over. but that's only the beginning as the mental part, i cannot reiterate enough, is the hardest part.
good luck.
if you want to stop cold turkey (which i do not recommend because it is very painful and requires a substantial amount of willpower the average addict does not have) there are several things you can do to mitigate and lessen w/d symptoms. Google the Thomas recipe for starters. benzos (valium seems to work best), weed, immodium, clonidine, vitamin b6 and b12, along with a multivitamin all work really well. also look into l-tyrosine which will help with the inevitable depression that will occur after quitting, esp if you are a long time user. hot baths and as much exercise as you can force yourself to do really helps a lot. (i am mostly repeating the thomas recipe with a few additions) the mental part, in my opinion, is much harder than the physical part of withdrawal. w/d is never easy, but these are things you can do to make it bearable. try to keep yourself occupied and make sure you clear your schedule for at least a week as you are not going to feel like working or going to school for a minimum of five to seven days. after this the worst of the physical part should be over. but that's only the beginning as the mental part, i cannot reiterate enough, is the hardest part.
good luck.
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